CLOSED: Thread Dedicated to the Upcoming/Anticipated Integration of Vistana & Marriott Ownerships (Marriott Link + Vistana Discussion)

[kozykritter]

CLOSED: Thread Dedicated to the Upcoming/Anticipated Integration of Vistana & Marriott Ownerships (Marriott Link + Vistana Discussion)

ok i will add to this thread in hopes of going over 100 before rollout. i own westin flex 126k SO developer purchase. as well as another 325k SO developer and requaled. 4*. my westin flex gets me 12 month reservation window but it's only 126k. i would like a 12 month 148k ability. ( to reserve...

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34.21 Sheraton Flex to 1 DC point as reported in the link.

I think it might be 34:23 instead... I have two Sheraton Flex contracts and one converted at 34.21 and the other 34.23. I think the discrepancy might be due to rounding cuz they don't do partial points but you get the idea.

 

[BluePrelude]

Maybe this was already mention in some of the 108 pages, but Abound is not just Vistana and Marriott Resorts, it also has Ritz-Carlton properties as well. And maybe, later on, Hyatt Residence Club too.
At the bottom of the Abound Promotional Map, in small letters is says 'Members of the Vistana Signature Network will first need to elect to receive Club Points to travel to Marriott Vacation Club resort or property'. So I guess, this is where the conversion from Star Options to Club Points starts?

So now, that is not really done without going to a dreaded Owner's Presentation to waste 2h, and getting us to sign something else AGAIN.
In the past, has anybody got to sign waivers without going to the presentations? Because, lets face it, they are full of it, and nothing really works as the sales person says it would.

 

[kozykritter]

Maybe this was already mention in some of the 108 pages, but Abound is not just Vistana and Marriott Resorts, it also has Ritz-Carlton properties as well. And maybe, later on, Hyatt Residence Club too.
At the bottom of the Abound Promotional Map, in small letters is says 'Members of the Vistana Signature Network will first need to elect to receive Club Points to travel to Marriott Vacation Club resort or property'. So I guess, this is where the conversion from Star Options to Club Points starts?View attachment 60261View attachment 60262
So now, that is not really done without going to a dreaded Owner's Presentation to waste 2h, and getting us to sign something else AGAIN.
In the past, has anybody got to sign waivers without going to the presentations? Because, lets face it, they are full of it, and nothing really works as the sales person says it would.

More than likely the electing will happen online like it does for Marriott owners that elect to receive points for their deeded weeks. Just have to wait for Abound to launch and then it'll be go time.

 

[dioxide45]

Maybe this was already mention in some of the 108 pages, but Abound is not just Vistana and Marriott Resorts, it also has Ritz-Carlton properties as well. And maybe, later on, Hyatt Residence Club too.
At the bottom of the Abound Promotional Map, in small letters is says 'Members of the Vistana Signature Network will first need to elect to receive Club Points to travel to Marriott Vacation Club resort or property'. So I guess, this is where the conversion from Star Options to Club Points starts?View attachment 60261View attachment 60262
So now, that is not really done without going to a dreaded Owner's Presentation to waste 2h, and getting us to sign something else AGAIN.
In the past, has anybody got to sign waivers without going to the presentations? Because, lets face it, they are full of it, and nothing really works as the sales person says it would.

Marriott owners were able to enroll in DC online when they rolled it out in 2010. I suspect the same thing for Vistana owners.

 

[Mowogo]

Maybe this was already mention in some of the 108 pages, but Abound is not just Vistana and Marriott Resorts, it also has Ritz-Carlton properties as well. And maybe, later on, Hyatt Residence Club too.

Unless Marriott hotels buys Hyatt hotels, Hyatt Residence Club will never be a part of Abound and will only be available as an Interval exchange. The licensing agreement prevents anything closer than external exchange. Any sales person that tells you anything other than Interval for Hyatt access is lying.

 

[Negma]

This is from June 2022 Investor Day . Marriot Vacations I believe does own Hyatt Residence Club. The plan as I understand it is to bring them all together under one banner (including Welk resorts), but first you have to do Marriott and Vistana first. Feel free to correct me if I have read it wrong. Note the second slide shows a legend that includes HVO and WELK

 

[dioxide45]

This is from June 2022 Investor Day . Marriot Vacations I believe does own Hyatt Residence Club. The plan as I understand it is to bring them all together under one banner (including Welk resorts), but first you have to do Marriott and Vistana first. Feel free to correct me if I have read it wrong. Note the second slide shows a legend that includes HVO and WELK

From what they have stated in the past, there is no plan to bring HRC in under the same program. If you look at your first image, there is a line between HRC and St Regis that isn't there between any of the others. That line isn't by accident.

 

[kozykritter]

From what they have stated in the past, there is no plan to bring HRC in under the same program. If you look at your first image, there is a line between HRC and St Regis that isn't there between any of the others. That line isn't by accident.

What I was told a couple of weeks ago by a MVC person that is not in direct sales is that they're looking at creating access to Hyatt through the HPP, which I believe is its points program. She didn't go into any details like if you could book directly with DPs or convert them into Hyatt points (similar to what Vistana is doing via Abound to get DPs). She did say this is not an immediate thing and that MVC had some things to work through to make it a possibility but also that this might be the easiest part of Hyatt to integrate. Take that all as you will.

 

[mitchandjeanette]

These are the conversion rates that I know about. Is there a chart in this thread somewhere that I am missing?

Ownership Interest	Conversion Rate
Sheraton Vistana Resort - Lake	0.03179012
Sheraton Vistana Villages - Bella	0.0348642
Westin Aventuras	0.033333333
Westin Kierland	0.027346386
Westin Flex	0.03466667

 

[dioxide45]

These are the conversion rates that I know about. Is there a chart in this thread somewhere that I am missing?

Ownership Interest	Conversion Rate
Sheraton Vistana Resort - Lake	0.03179012
Sheraton Vistana Villages - Bella	0.0348642
Westin Aventuras	0.033333333
Westin Kierland	0.027346386
Westin Flex	0.03466667

I started one here. I will add these to it.

Vistana to Abound Point Conversion Tracker

I have started to create a conversion tracker to keep track of the amount of points allocaetd to each VOI. I know everything right now is still speculation or information gleaned from attending a sales presentation, but at some point I suspect we will get official numbers. For now we can start...

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The only issue is, for the weeks based items, what is the unit size and season? I don't think it is a flat out conversion rate across all unit sizes and seasons.

 

[jabberwocky]

StarOptions are an artifact of the VSN and don’t have anything to do with a formal conversion system. If you have an underlying deeded week your Abound points will be based on the season and location, not how many SO they get. For example, a WKV plat and WKORV week would get the same SO, but apparently have different reported Abound values.

The Flex systems are purely based on points, so they will have a conversion factor. There is really no other way to do it.

Salepeople probably are trying to simplify things and make it seem “fair” for owners used to the VSN system by giving artificial conversion values.

 

[dioxide45]

Salepeople probably are trying to simplify things and make it seem “fair” for owners used to the VSN system by giving artificial conversion values.

I agree. I think sales people are trying to convert from StarOptions because StarOptions is what most owners know. For a couple years after SPG went away I still heard the term Starpoints in a sales presentation. They said owners knew the term Starpoints. In the end they make things more confusing than they need to be.

 

[samcar1]

This is all so confusing as I don't know anything about deeded weeks really. I am a 4* owner, have 380,000 options, but I believe one of my resale properties was factored into my 380,000. That one particular week is separate and I can only book 8 months in advance except for my home resort. I am looking forward to seeing how this will play out. I am assuming i can exchange all into Marriott but if I keep the deeded week in flex, I would have to wait for that 8 month window. Also, how are there so many different speculations on the exchange rates? I wish they would announce already.

 

[samcar1]

one other thing. Marriott only allows their owners to convert at 65%(or about) of their points a year. If our contracts state 100%, will that still hold? I would think so as it states in a contract but who knows.

 

[VacationForever]

This is all so confusing as I don't know anything about deeded weeks really. I am a 4* owner, have 380,000 options, but I believe one of my resale properties was factored into my 380,000. That one particular week is separate and I can only book 8 months in advance except for my home resort. I am looking forward to seeing how this will play out. I am assuming i can exchange all into Marriott but if I keep the deeded week in flex, I would have to wait for that 8 month window. Also, how are there so many different speculations on the exchange rates? I wish they would announce already.

What do you own? There is not a standard point conversion for deeded weeks. Conversion is based on the property, season and size.

 

[dioxide45]

one other thing. Marriott only allows their owners to convert at 65%(or about) of their points a year. If our contracts state 100%, will that still hold? I would think so as it states in a contract but who knows.

For Bonvoy, you will still convert your VOI/week to Bonvoy points as you could today. The Marriott conversion of 65% you are seeing is for Trust point owners converting their Abound points to Bonvoy. Marriott week owners still have to convert their entire week to Bonvoy. They can't first convert to Abound then again to Bonvoy.

 

[samcar1]

What do you own? There is not a standard point conversion for deeded weeks. Conversion is based on the property, season and size.

For Bonvoy, you will still convert your VOI/week to Bonvoy points as you could today. The Marriott conversion of 65% you are seeing is for Trust point owners converting their Abound points to Bonvoy. Marriott week owners still have to convert their entire week to Bonvoy. They can't first convert to Abound then again to Bonvoy.

I own 1 premium week in Orlando and the rest flex.

 

[VacationForever]

I own 1 premium week in Orlando and the rest flex.

1 premium week will have its own conversion, based on resort, season, size, annual vs. biennial. Different flex has its own conversion, i.e. Sheraton Flex, Westin Flex, Aventura Flex, Nanea and one in St. John.

 

[samcar1]

as I've looked at the Marriott properties and point system, if I'm looking at it correctly, with 380,000 options my conversion should be around 11k points. That would be too good to be true on some of the properties, especially at 13months booking. Can't be correct unless I have no idea what or how I own.

 

[samcar1]

1 premium week will have its own conversion, based on resort, season, size, annual vs. biennial. Different flex has its own conversion, i.e. Sheraton Flex, Westin Flex, Aventura Flex, Nanea and one in St. John.

I'm all Sheraton

 

[samcar1]

I'm all Sheraton

So what you are saying is what I was thinking. Hope it's right. No one in corporate will give me the time of day on this. I've tried

 

[dioxide45]

as I've looked at the Marriott properties and point system, if I'm looking at it correctly, with 380,000 options my conversion should be around 11k points. That would be too good to be true on some of the properties, especially at 13months booking. Can't be correct unless I have no idea what or how I own.

The number of Abound points you get will vary depending on what you own exactly. We don't have access to all of the conversions right now, but you are probably close to or above 10,000 Abound points. You can only book 13 months into MVC properties. We already know that Vistana resorts won't be available to book ahead of 12 months.

 

[kozykritter]

So what you are saying is what I was thinking. Hope it's right. No one in corporate will give me the time of day on this. I've tried

It's unlikely your resale will qualify for Abound points unless you paid to requalify it with Vistana. If the rest of your ownership is in qualified Sheraton flex options, finding the Marriott points conversion amount is easy by dividing the total of those options by 34.23.

 

[remowidget]

So what you are saying is what I was thinking. Hope it's right. No one in corporate will give me the time of day on this. I've tried

Corporate will not give you answers because the program isn't available yet.

 

[lmnanea]

Hi all had owners update today in Aruba. They said studio westin lagunaMar is pegged to 1525 DP /MVC points at the end of this month post merger completion. Anyone else received same info? Thx.