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CLOSED: Thread Dedicated to the Upcoming/Anticipated Integration of Vistana & Marriott Ownerships (Marriott Link + Vistana Discussion)

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Westin Lagunamar has 2 x Seasons [PLATINUM+ & GOLD+].
Depending on season owned the #DCP accrued will change.

We received our estimate for a 2BR PLATINUM+ unit which accrues 4950-DCP/Year
 

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It's unlikely your resale will qualify for Abound points unless you paid to requalify it with Vistana. If the rest of your ownership is in qualified Sheraton flex options, finding the Marriott points conversion amount is easy by dividing the total of those options by 34.23.
I finally got concrete answers today. My resale qualifies as I had rolled it in last time I upgraded. Deciding if 11k points is enough or whether to upgrade one last time. Tough decision. Thanks all.
 

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I note that the conversion rates for Westin Flex and Sheraton Flex are relatively favorable for WF and SF owners opting into Abound, especially compared to the conversion rates at certain legacy resorts such as Kierland. I am wondering if this is a tactic to get Flex owners to relinquish their points so Abound will have greater access to the inventory in the Flex trusts. It would be a quick way to give Abound access to some prime weeks at many resorts enabling them to show inventory.

The downside for existing WF and SF owners is that the inventory moved from these trusts into Abound will not be available to Flex owners who do not opt for DC points. Flex trust points owners may find their trusts' inventory of prime weeks to be diminished.

I know the argument that fewer owners chasing fewer weeks has no effect, but in this case, because these trusts have many owners but few prime weeks (winter ski weeks, etc.) there will be almost as many owners chasing a diminished number of prime weeks. We shall see.
 
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I ended up buying more Westin which gives me 13K and change marriott DC points. Made sense to me. I feel I can work the system better for myself. Hopefully I did the right thing. Working with Fletch in corporate and I really trust him. Actually, he is the only one i trust in the company. The DC points are going to go thru the roof. Even if the conversion is a little less, I feel I can get much better properties that I can use more often as I'm in Florida.

Good luck all. Hope I made the right decision but I feel I have total clarity as I'm all flex.
 

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I ended up buying more Westin which gives me 13K and change marriott DC points. Made sense to me. I feel I can work the system better for myself. Hopefully I did the right thing. Working with Fletch in corporate and I really trust him. Actually, he is the only one i trust in the company. The DC points are going to go thru the roof. Even if the conversion is a little less, I feel I can get much better properties that I can use more often as I'm in Florida.

Good luck all. Hope I made the right decision but I feel I have total clarity as I'm all flex.
I was also told that Westin is basically sold out at this point and they will not be issuing any more.
 

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I ended up buying more Westin which gives me 13K and change marriott DC points. Made sense to me. I feel I can work the system better for myself. Hopefully I did the right thing. Working with Fletch in corporate and I really trust him. Actually, he is the only one i trust in the company. The DC points are going to go thru the roof. Even if the conversion is a little less, I feel I can get much better properties that I can use more often as I'm in Florida.

Good luck all. Hope I made the right decision but I feel I have total clarity as I'm all flex.
Another vote for Fletch. He is good!
 

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I was also told that Westin is basically sold out at this point and they will not be issuing any more.
At our presentation at WDW a few weeks ago, they said once the Westin Flex inventory is gone ("could happen as soon as today...."), they would only be selling the combined Abound product. It's interesting though.... I don't recall any construction happening at WDW while we were there--first time in years I didn't see another building going up. Are there any other Vistana properties that are expanding? Perhaps the inventory is decreasing.....
 

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At our presentation at WDW a few weeks ago, they said once the Westin Flex inventory is gone ("could happen as soon as today...."), they would only be selling the combined Abound product. It's interesting though.... I don't recall any construction happening at WDW while we were there--first time in years I didn't see another building going up. Are there any other Vistana properties that are expanding? Perhaps the inventory is decreasing.....
I would love to know that too. So many of these properties are ratty. They need to put money into their existing properties. Jensen beach in Florida is shameful. But, what they did with Steamboat is fabulous.
 

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At our presentation at WDW a few weeks ago, they said once the Westin Flex inventory is gone ("could happen as soon as today...."), they would only be selling the combined Abound product. It's interesting though.... I don't recall any construction happening at WDW while we were there--first time in years I didn't see another building going up. Are there any other Vistana properties that are expanding? Perhaps the inventory is decreasing.....
I am not aware of any. They are still converting Westin Cancun Resort & Spa and I suspect at some point that will be added to Aventuras. They will probably continue to sell Aventuras as a separate product that can elect Abound points. Several resorts on the Vistana and Marriott side are incomplete. Sheraton Broadway Plantation in Myrtle Beach still has unbuilt buildings as does WDW that you mention. Marriott Vacations Worldwide sold off the undeveloped land at Sheraton Vistana Villages
 

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I am not aware of any. They are still converting Westin Cancun Resort & Spa and I suspect at some point that will be added to Aventuras. They will probably continue to sell Aventuras as a separate product that can elect Abound points. Several resorts on the Vistana and Marriott side are incomplete. Sheraton Broadway Plantation in Myrtle Beach still has unbuilt buildings as does WDW that you mention. Marriott Vacations Worldwide sold off the undeveloped land at Sheraton Vistana Villages
And what a surprise to drive into Marriott's Grande Vista and see hotels so close to the entrance of the resort, including a crappy Wyndham hotel with a very bright-lit sign. (I don't like Wyndham hotels, in general.)
 

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And what a surprise to drive into Marriott's Grande Vista and see hotels so close to the entrance of the resort, including a crappy Wyndham hotel with a very bright-lit sign. (I don't like Wyndham hotels, in general.)
Hate Wyndham. LOL. I generally do all my homework before booking. The cruises look very interesting. Especially the higher level ones but we can't really see them yet and they will take a lot of DC points and manipulation.
 

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I am not aware of any. They are still converting Westin Cancun Resort & Spa and I suspect at some point that will be added to Aventuras. They will probably continue to sell Aventuras as a separate product that can elect Abound points. Several resorts on the Vistana and Marriott side are incomplete. Sheraton Broadway Plantation in Myrtle Beach still has unbuilt buildings as does WDW that you mention. Marriott Vacations Worldwide sold off the undeveloped land at Sheraton Vistana Villages
Westin Puerto Vallarta was also supposed to be converted and 100% added to Aventuras like Cabo was, but it doesn’t look like that will ever happen.
 

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I would love to know that too. So many of these properties are ratty. They need to put money into their existing properties. Jensen beach in Florida is shameful. But, what they did with Steamboat is fabulous.
Not sure what the issue is with Vistana Beach Club? Unfortunately any upgrades or improvements to existing properties would need to come from the owners (HOAs). Why would Vistana or Marriott invest money into them when they are mostly sold out? If owners want improvements, they would need to pay for them. As for Vistana Beach Club. The resort is older (I think it was perhaps Vistana's second property). What it lacks in amenities it makes up for in location. Not a location in the hustle and bustle of a big beach town, but for being right on top of the quiet beach it sits on. The rooms have also all been fairly recently renovated.
 

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Westin Puerto Vallarta was also supposed to be converted and 100% added to Aventuras like Cabo was, but it doesn’t look like that will ever happen.
Yeah, they apparently have it for sale. That property probably won't happen.
 

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Yeah, they apparently have it for sale. That property probably won't happen.
You would think they would want to convert it. More inventory means more points for the developer to sell. Aventuras could be a really awesome package with some awsome inventory if both the Westins in Cancún and Puerto Vallarta actually completed.
 

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Not sure what the issue is with Vistana Beach Club? Unfortunately any upgrades or improvements to existing properties would need to come from the owners (HOAs). Why would Vistana or Marriott invest money into them when they are mostly sold out? If owners want improvements, they would need to pay for them. As for Vistana Beach Club. The resort is older (I think it was perhaps Vistana's second property). What it lacks in amenities it makes up for in location. Not a location in the hustle and bustle of a big beach town, but for being right on top of the quiet beach it sits on. The rooms have also all been fairly recently renovated.
i was there last year and couldn't even get a water. The pool was in the parking lot. Marriott Singer Island will be beautiful to stay in. I've been there before.
 

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i was there last year and couldn't even get a water. The pool was in the parking lot. Marriott Singer Island will be beautiful to stay in. I've been there before.
Yeah, no onsite food & beverage. They might have had a vending machine at some point in time. The Singer Island Marriotts are great, but Jensen Beach is "Old Florida". There isn't much else they can do to change the resort as it is sitting on a small footprint. It has its charm but I understand it isn't for everyone.
 

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I would love to know that too. So many of these properties are ratty. They need to put money into their existing properties. Jensen beach in Florida is shameful. But, what they did with Steamboat is fabulous.
We are at Steamboat now - and I agree the unit renovations have turned out really well. Construction outside does put a damper on things; however.

Incidentally- we did an owner update earlier this week (we would not have gone but they upped the offer to $300 cash). Nothing really new. The launch date for Abound will “definitely be before Labor Day”, but could happen within the next week.

I liked our first salesperson (Jim) and if I had something to retro in I probably would have bought from him. Second guy was a jerk and was trying to convince us that Bonvoy points were such a great thing and lifetime titanium status was something we needed. Wasn’t listening to us at all and quickly put a damper on things.
 

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I have had two different sales people from two different sales sites indicate July 28th is the day. Though they aren't supposed to give a date :rolleyes:
 

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We are at Steamboat now - and I agree the unit renovations have turned out really well. Construction outside does put a damper on things; however.

Incidentally- we did an owner update earlier this week (we would not have gone but they upped the offer to $300 cash). Nothing really new. The launch date for Abound will “definitely be before Labor Day”, but could happen within the next week.

I liked our first salesperson (Jim) and if I had something to retro in I probably would have bought from him. Second guy was a jerk and was trying to convince us that Bonvoy points were such a great thing and lifetime titanium status was something we needed. Wasn’t listening to us at all and quickly put a damper on things.
I had the exact same experience there. Jim is a great guy and honest. He looked at my portfolio and told me I didn't need to buy a thing given how I planned to travel. I absolutely would have bought it from him if I needed more. And then Mike came in and tried to sell me $27K worth of Westin Flex "just because". When I declined, he became a total A-hole which according to a source of mine at the property is a pattern of his when someone doesn't buy. Ruined everything! I slated him on the post presentation survey.
 
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