[Closed - new thread started] Will Hawaii Open by [OCTOBER???] [Please use this thread for all Hawaii Coronavirus discussions]

[DannyTS]

Look back at the comments in April-July. News was always going to come "soon" but the news was always evasive with another promise for details "soon". When they opened the inter island travel they said they expected an increase in cases but now they are using that increase as a justification for further delays. Better tell folks the truth, that they just do not want to reopen unless the virus is gone (not anytime soon). Better both for tourists and for the tourism industry to know where they stand.

 

[DeniseM]

Hi Big Danny Dan Dan! So wonderful to see you back on the Hawaii forum! We have missed you and your silly conspiracy posts! It has been so calm and rationale without you! I can't wait to see what silly idea that you post next! Have a wonderful day!

 

[DannyTS]

Hi Big Danny Dan Dan! So wonderful to see you back on the Hawaii forum! We have missed you and your silly conspiracy posts! It has been so calm and rationale without you! I can't wait to see what silly idea that you post next! Have a wonderful day!

I am not sure what part you do not agree with. Would tourists and the industry not want a clear message from the state? Have their statements not been very evasive and haven't they pushed announcements several times? Does anyone know what they are thinking? Since they did not open in June when the number of cases was at a low both mainland US and Hawaii, when is a good time to do it? Typically calm and rational do not come with mean spirited comments like yours. And I think you misuse the word conspiracy and you overuse it. You probably also use it at breakfast with your family when you talk about omelettes.

 

[csodjd]

Yes, and it was outdoors too.
But the mayor now says it wasn't from that potluck, instead from other informal gatherings in the offices.

The problem isn’t WHICH gathering/party outbreaks are coming from, it is that there ARE gatherings/parties. It is that complacency, occurring here and there, a dozen times here and a dozen times there, that is driving 200 new cases in a day. If residents, especially on Oahu, want their economy restored, people back to work, businesses open, restaurants and small businesses to survive, etc., it starts with THEIR collective decisions. Can’t blame those pesky tourists!

 

[dsmrp]

The problem isn’t WHICH gathering/party outbreaks are coming from, it is that there ARE gatherings/parties. It is that complacency, occurring here and there, a dozen times here and a dozen times there, that is driving 200 new cases in a day. If residents, especially on Oahu, want their economy restored, people back to work, businesses open, restaurants and small businesses to survive, etc., it starts with THEIR collective decisions. Can’t blame those pesky tourists!

The local govts acknowledge the complacency of resident groups (a few in particular) contributing to the rise in case rate. The closure of beaches and parks are aimed at the large gatherings of locals.

The complacency after having business shutdowns during the spring, is no different than any other metro region in US, that saw a drop in May then resurgence of Covid cases in early summer.

 

[jabberwocky]

The problem isn’t WHICH gathering/party outbreaks are coming from, it is that there ARE gatherings/parties. It is that complacency, occurring here and there, a dozen times here and a dozen times there, that is driving 200 new cases in a day. If residents, especially on Oahu, want their economy restored, people back to work, businesses open, restaurants and small businesses to survive, etc., it starts with THEIR collective decisions. Can’t blame those pesky tourists!

If there is widespread community spread, as there seems to now be on Oahu, doesn’t the justification for a quarantine of travellers to Oahu become superfluous?

 

[DeniseM]

No - Because they don't have enough hospital beds for additional sick tourists. They are already maxed out, and they got 355 new cases yesterday.

 

[Roger830]

Here's a photo that I took last year.

 

[jabberwocky]

No - Because they don't have enough hospital beds for additional sick tourists. They are already maxed out, and they got 355 new cases yesterday.

With respect - that doesn’t answer the question. I keep hearing that there isn’t the medical capacity, but it has now been five months for them to get that resolved. It’s really a failure of leadership if that is the excuse IMO.

 

[rickandcindy23]

How many people are hospitalized? Many people get the virus and are asymptomatic. Severely obese and elderly are the most at risk. Are cases up because they are testing more of the population? I don't see much real information in the articles I have read.

 

[DeniseM]

Oops - I forgot myself and joined in the fray. My apologies - have at it.

 

[cman]

How many people are hospitalized? Many people get the virus and are asymptomatic. Severely obese and elderly are the most at risk. Are cases up because they are testing more of the population? I don't see much real information in the articles I have read.

I ran across this article from a few days ago. ICU admissions jumped 33% in two days. Supposedly, they have some emergency plans that they can implement that will increase their capacity by re-purposing rooms. I think the article said they had 70 people in ICU.

COVID-19 hospitalizations on Oahu jump by 33% in two days

“We are reaching capacity in some of our individual intensive care units."

www.hawaiinewsnow.com

 

[cman]

Pacific Islanders are only 4% of the population but account for 30% of Hawaii's cases. Why?

 

[Luanne]

Pacific Islanders are only 4% of the population but account for 30% of Hawaii's cases. Why?
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Same thing with Native Americans in New Mexico (and most likely other states).

https://www.abqjournal.com/1461218/...9-death-rates-for-native-americans-in-nm.html

 

[1Kflyerguy]

Here's a photo that I took last year.

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That looks different from the Hawaii i remember....

 

[cman]

Same thing with Native Americans in New Mexico (and most likely other states).

https://www.abqjournal.com/1461218/...9-death-rates-for-native-americans-in-nm.html

Wow. I had no idea.

 

[geist1223]

Here's a photo that I took last year.

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So where was this picture taken?

 

[Roger830]

So where was this picture taken?

Schwabacher Landing

 

[DannyTS]

Pacific Islanders are only 4% of the population but account for 30% of Hawaii's cases. Why?
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Pacific Islanders hit more with virus than others in Hawaii

HONOLULU (AP) — While Pacific Islanders make up just 4% of Hawaii's population, they represent 27% of the state's newly confirmed coronavirus cases, according to state Department of Health data released. White people have 20% of the newly confirmed cases and make up a quarter of the state's...

www.sfchronicle.com

Lt. Gov. Josh Green said that the "Pacific Islander community has some unique challenges, particularly while living in very large, committed, multi-generational families — a lot of them in Kalihi.”


State Health Director Bruce Anderson told reporters Monday that the disproportionate number of cases in the Pacific Islander community are rooted in socioeconomics and that state officials must help combat those inequities.

 

[csodjd]

Pacific Islanders are only 4% of the population but account for 30% of Hawaii's cases. Why?
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Those are not always easy questions to answer. While socioeconomic factors are easy to identify, when dealing with viruses and infectious disease, etc., genetic differences, differences in immune response, history of exposure to related antigens, differences in vaccination history, and cultural differences are among the many factors that can contribute to differences like this. It can take some time for researchers to sort those things out. It’s important not to jump to conclusions.

 

[cman]

Just looking at their recent numbers. Hawaii is in a desperate situation. If they don't take drastic action now, I don't see a way out of this for them. This thing is spiraling out of control on Oahu.

 

[csodjd]

Just looking at their recent numbers. Hawaii is in a desperate situation. If they don't take drastic action now, I don't see a way out of this for them. This thing is spiraling out of control on Oahu.

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A fair number of those newest cases are apparently in a prison or jail, so the “community“ spread is somewhat less. Still substantial cases though. I’m actually surprised by how the Governor and Lt. Governor appear to be sort of taking it in stride.

 

[Tamaradarann]

I don't blame them, currently, but for a very different reason. I don't blame them because they don't yet have in place the necessary systems, protocols, etc., to provide adequate protection against new community spread. With testing of incoming people, testing of symptomatic people, and contact tracing -- none of which was available when the virus first showed up -- Hawaii has more than adequate medical resources and would NOT be over burdened (they didn't overwhelm their resources even when they did not have any of those things).

It is not about the medical resources. It is about the ability to minimize risk and contain/prevent community spread.

In general I like what Governor Ige has done with protecting Hawaii during this pandemic. However, he is a professional crastinator. A Procrastinator.

 

[klpca]

However, he is a professional crastinator. A Procrastinator.

Truth. I just want to cancel my trip without penalty and for that to happen, the state needs to announce their plans - if they impose a quarantine we will just skip the trip and rebook for another time. If they allow us to travel we'll still go. I understand that things are fluid, but my goodness I think that the writing is on the wall with their cases. At some point he will have to make a tough choice and it's not going to get any easier the longer he waits. Meanwhile everyone is in economic purgatory - residents and visitors alike.

 

[csodjd]

Truth. I just want to cancel my trip without penalty and for that to happen, the state needs to announce their plans - if they impose a quarantine we will just skip the trip and rebook for another time. If they allow us to travel we'll still go. I understand that things are fluid, but my goodness I think that the writing is on the wall with their cases. At some point he will have to make a tough choice and it's not going to get any easier the longer he waits. Meanwhile everyone is in economic purgatory - residents and visitors alike.

The thing that might be giving him pause is if, behind the scenes, his experts are saying that the actions taken, closing bars, etc., will take 2-3 weeks to have a measurable impact, but they should restore the levels of new cases back to the acceptable level. So he’s sitting and waiting to see if that happens or not. But you’re right... everyone is stuck until he decides, tourists at one end, airlines and hotels in the middle, and employees and small businesses in Hawaii at the other end. It’s a tripartite relationship and they all need to be on the same page.