[Closed - new thread started] Will Hawaii Open by [OCTOBER???] [Please use this thread for all Hawaii Coronavirus discussions]

[Yellowfin]

In addition to temperature scanners they are also working on introducing facial recognition at the airport. The governor gave a rather unconvincing explanation about why they need to spend resources on this.

 

[Fredflintstone]

The quarantine is not going to be lifted in August - you heard it here first.

Sigh, it’s looking more and more like I may need to cancel my trip to Honolulu in December.


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[JIMinNC]

The quarantine is not going to be lifted in August - you heard it here first.

Sadly, I think you are correct. The Hawaiian economy may take a decade to recover from the perpetual quarantine. It seems they are intent on keeping the islands COVID-free. If they stick to that standard, they will not be able to accept visitors for a year, two years, or longer. The LtGov seems much more open to restarting tourism than the Governor, but Ige seems stuck in quarantine mode. The hospitality industry must not have much sway with the Gov.

 

[klpca]

Now comes the real test, as that seemed pretty obvious. Next question is, how long before he tells us what August 1 will bring.

I'm fine with whatever they decide but I wish that they would be more forthcoming with their intent in a more timely fashion so that those of us with reservations can cancel. We are just waiting for that to happen to move forward.

 

[PigsDad]

I'm fine with whatever they decide but I wish that they would be more forthcoming with their intent in a more timely fashion so that those of us with reservations can cancel. We are just waiting for that to happen to move forward.

The governor obviously doesn't care about tourists nor the tourism industry, so I don't see him having any incentives to be more forthcoming with his announcements of the continuation of his quarantines. Sad, but quite obvious.

Kurt

 

[csodjd]

The quarantine is not going to be lifted in August - you heard it here first.

I'll go the other way. Based on the UH report, testing is not needed if you are coming from one of the several countries with infection rates lower than Hawaii, because the chance of finding a "positive" are very remote if there are only a handful of cases in the entire country. So my guess is about July 7 or so he announces he is starting there Aug 1, while the testing is still being set up. SK, NZ and AUS can come, with pre-flight temperature check and symptoms questionnaire, and temperature check on arrival. By Sept. 1, they have the testing systems in place and are following the UH report protocol to allow others in.

However, if there is a resurgence, all bets are off.

Totally guessing. But hoping too.

 

[TXTortoise]

Has anyone seen a discussion on how someone will be quarantined if they present with symptoms, let’s say 3 days into a seven day trip? Assuming they have to checkout of their room at seven days, where do they go? They certainly can’t fly home If they have a fever and I’m guessing checking in to another hotel is problematic. Hospitalization usually occurs over a longer term, and may not be required.

 

[Tamaradarann]

Has anyone seen a discussion on how someone will be quarantined if they present with symptoms, let’s say 3 days into a seven day trip? Assuming they have to checkout of their room at seven days, where do they go? They certainly can’t fly home If they have a fever and I’m guessing checking in to another hotel is problematic. Hospitalization usually occurs over a longer term, and may not be required.

I would assume that the Hotel or Resort would be required to keep that person in that room for the quarantined period. It would be as if the unit was out of order similar to a maintenance issue. I don't know how the payment of the accomodations would be handled. If new guests needed to be placed in that unit they would need to be given alternate accommodations.

 

[Tamaradarann]

I'll go the other way. Based on the UH report, testing is not needed if you are coming from one of the several countries with infection rates lower than Hawaii, because the chance of finding a "positive" are very remote if there are only a handful of cases in the entire country. So my guess is about July 7 or so he announces he is starting there Aug 1, while the testing is still being set up. SK, NZ and AUS can come, with pre-flight temperature check and symptoms questionnaire, and temperature check on arrival. By Sept. 1, they have the testing systems in place and are following the UH report protocol to allow others in.

However, if there is a resurgence, all bets are off.

Totally guessing. But hoping too.

Those are pretty good guesses. We are cancelling our Plan A September reservations since if they only open up to domestic guests on September 1 we want to have some time to see the impact before placing our bodies in the mix. We are hoping for Plan B, mid November, but will start to work on a plan C. PLan D is already in place. We would skip 2020 and winter of 2021 and perhaps look at Fall 2021.

 

[bbodb1]

The governor obviously doesn't care about tourists nor the tourism industry, so I don't see him having any incentives to be more forthcoming with his announcements of the continuation of his quarantines. Sad, but quite obvious.

Kurt

..or apparently his state finances.

 

[csodjd]

..or apparently his state finances.

I wonder if things will change when Federal money to the unemployed runs out at the end of July.

 

[bbodb1]

I wonder if things will change when Federal money to the unemployed runs out at the end of July.

I suspect there will be a correlation..a strong correlation.....

 

[Yellowfin]

As of July 1st, travelers to Maine can forgo the quarantine if they have a negative Covid test. This puts even more pressure on Hawaii that just extended the measures until July 30th.

Beginning July 1, out-of-state visitors with recent negative test may forgo quarantine - Mount Desert Islander

AUGUSTA — The state has unveiled a proposed alternative to the 14-day quarantine for out-of-state visitors in an attempt to salvage the summer season

www.mdislander.com

 

[csodjd]

As of July 1st, travelers to Maine can forgo the quarantine if they have a negative Covid test. This puts even more pressure on Hawaii that just extended the measures until July 30th.

Beginning July 1, out-of-state visitors with recent negative test may forgo quarantine - Mount Desert Islander

AUGUSTA — The state has unveiled a proposed alternative to the 14-day quarantine for out-of-state visitors in an attempt to salvage the summer season

www.mdislander.com

Doesn't seem like the Hawaii Governor is affected much by "pressure."

 

[csodjd]

Has anyone seen a discussion on how someone will be quarantined if they present with symptoms, let’s say 3 days into a seven day trip? Assuming they have to checkout of their room at seven days, where do they go? They certainly can’t fly home If they have a fever and I’m guessing checking in to another hotel is problematic. Hospitalization usually occurs over a longer term, and may not be required.

It's a great question. Haven't seen anything, but I'd imaging it would be the obligation of the individual to find a place to go. It's not the hotel's problem to deal with. I'm sure if they have rooms available, or even the current room, they'd be happy to rent it. But if not, at day 7 the individual should just have to find and go directly to another location.

 

[Yellowfin]

Doesn't seem like the Hawaii Governor is affected much by "pressure."

Interesting comments on his Facebook page

https://www.facebook.com/GovernorDavidIge/

 

[csodjd]

Interesting comments on his Facebook page

https://www.facebook.com/GovernorDavidIge/

He says, "We are working very hard toward re-opening out-of-state travel, but we’re not there yet. We are being very cautious."

There are competing interests: safety v economics. Some states have chosen to focus on protecting the economy at the expense of safety (Georgia, Texas, etc.). Others, notably Hawaii and NY, have chosen to focus on safety. Many try to find a balance in the middle without going too far to one side or the other, which is probably the best approach, even if perfection is unattainable.

Governor Ige's approach, which he admits is "very cautious," risks irreparable economic harm to both the state and it's residents because it appears to make no compromise to protect economic interests. It is "all in" on safety. But, the Fed gave him some time to take that approach by providing money to the unemployed. When that ends, people are going to suffer. I suspect he knows that and that's why I think Aug 1 will see him shift more to the middle. If that doesn't happen Hawaii may never be able to fully recover because workers may leave to go where they can work and not live in poverty or homeless.

 

[Yellowfin]

One more month will change nothing in terms of the dynamic of the virus. They will probably have even more cases due to the riots so go justify opening then. A month only buys them time logistically but that shows how unprepared they are, how they have wasted the last 3 months. I think for a long time they were in denial and happy not to make a decision.

 

[Yellowfin]

I will let you decide whether C-19 has anything to do with it.

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On Kauai, suicide is an old problem. But it's gaining new urgency as the island grapples with a spate of tragic deaths during the coronavirus pandemic.

www.civilbeat.org

 

[Tamaradarann]

It's a great question. Haven't seen anything, but I'd imaging it would be the obligation of the individual to find a place to go. It's not the hotel's problem to deal with. I'm sure if they have rooms available, or even the current room, they'd be happy to rent it. But if not, at day 7 the individual should just have to find and go directly to another location.

We were at the Hilton Hawaiian Village when the first case in Hawaii showed up via a visitor from Japan who came down with the virus after leaving the Grand Waikikian and returning to Japan. At that time people didn't want to stay anywhere in the Grand Waikikian. Any staff that came in contact with the room or the vistor were quarantined at home for 14 days and were given paid leave. For the benefit of the larger community the best thing would be to quarantine the infected person in the same room to limit further spread of the virus. Leaving it up to the person to find accomodations somewhere else so that they could spread the virus to at least one other location and perhaps more in the performance of the relocation would not be wise.

 

[csodjd]

We were at the Hilton Hawaiian Village when the first case in Hawaii showed up via a visitor from Japan who came down with the virus after leaving the Grand Waikikian and returning to Japan. At that time people didn't want to stay anywhere in the Grand Waikikian. Any staff that came in contact with the room or the vistor were quarantined at home for 14 days and were given paid leave. For the benefit of the larger community the best thing would be to quarantine the infected person in the same room to limit further spread of the virus. Leaving it up to the person to find accomodations somewhere else so that they could spread the virus to at least one other location and perhaps more in the performance of the relocation would not be wise.

All true. But you can't force the person to stay -- there could be a huge cost. Say you're got an OF timeshare for a week. On day 4 you are quarantined for 14 days. You're looking at 11 days in a room that retails for ~$1000/nt. And the TS didn't assume the risk that they'd eat the cost. And what about the owner that was scheduled to have that room? All kinds of issues come up.

 

[cerralee]

So unfortunately I am still confused. “Hypothetical scenario”. Hawaii resident goes to Mainland for two week visit. Travels back to Hawaii for third week in July. From what I am reading the Hawaii resident will have to quarantine at least for the remainder of July and also into August if the quarantine is extended?

 

[slip]

So unfortunately I am still confused. “Hypothetical scenario”. Hawaii resident goes to Mainland for two week visit. Travels back to Hawaii for third week in July. From what I am reading the Hawaii resident will have to quarantine at least for the remainder of July and also into August if the quarantine is extended?

They would have to quarantine for 2 weeks. We have had people here at my work have to do this. It was for personal travel.

 

[rickandcindy23]

I guess I need to re-trade my late August-early July weeks on Maui. I was hoping to wait, but I don't want to be stuck with weeks that are going to subject to II's ridiculous replacement certificates. They are the worst. I wanted to go to Maui, but I am switching to Palm Beach. Rick will die with that heat.

 

[cman]

Has anyone seen a discussion on how someone will be quarantined if they present with symptoms, let’s say 3 days into a seven day trip? Assuming they have to checkout of their room at seven days, where do they go? They certainly can’t fly home If they have a fever and I’m guessing checking in to another hotel is problematic. Hospitalization usually occurs over a longer term, and may not be required.

This article is not specific to Hawaii, but it speaks to your question. Seems like the International trend is for the hotel, or in some cases, the government picks up the tab for food and lodging

Who Pays If You Get Quarantined On Vacation?

Should you rethink travel?

time.com