California COVID-19 guidelines / Dec 2020 Cancellations by Marriott/II [MERGED]

[VacationForever]

We just cancelled our first week of stay at Palm Desert area at end of January. We are still holding onto the 2nd week in February hoping that things will improve.

 

[jancurious]

I would suggest that any of you that have reservations at any California timeshares within the next few weeks until through January, definitely follow the link on the Marriott website or call the resort before coming. We are currently at Newport and they should remain open at least for owners because they have owners that own 52 weeks and live here full-time. (Told us that in May) We called South Lake Tahoe Marriott today and they are still trying to get information from the government to see if they will be forced to close when their region closes (Greater Sacramento). The order is that all hotels and state campgrounds must close once their region falls below 15% ICU capacity. Two of the states five regions fell below that level today - Southern California & San Joaquin Valley will be shut down by Sunday night. We came yesterday knowing that many regions would probably shut down sometime during this week but we pretty much do what we do at home at Newport - Enjoy our balcony view, take beach walks, play pickle ball and cook inside or at the most get take out. If you want to learn more about the new Regional Stay at Home Order you can read this link: https://covid19.ca.gov/stay-home-except-for-essential-needs/#rsho-qas

 

[b2bailey]

I would suggest that any of you that have reservations at any California timeshares within the next few weeks until through January, definitely follow the link on the Marriott website or call the resort before coming. We are currently at Newport and they should remain open at least for owners because they have owners that own 52 weeks and live here full-time. (Told us that in May) We called South Lake Tahoe Marriott today and they are still trying to get information from the government to see if they will be forced to close when their region closes (Greater Sacramento). The order is that all hotels and state campgrounds must close once their region falls below 15% ICU capacity. Two of the states five regions fell below that level today - Southern California & San Joaquin Valley will be shut down by Sunday night. We came yesterday knowing that many regions would probably shut down sometime during this week but we pretty much do what we do at home at Newport - Enjoy our balcony view, take beach walks, play pickle ball and cook inside or at the most get take out. If you want to learn more about the new Regional Stay at Home Order you can read this link: https://covid19.ca.gov/stay-home-except-for-essential-needs/#rsho-qas

It is interesting that the two Marriotts would have different approaches.

 

[sea&ski]

We were told, back in March while staying at one of our home resorts, that despite all, the timeshare must allow owners to occupy. Anyone with any other sort of reservation is SOL, not that there was anything to do at the time - so no reason to be there.

 

[Foggy1]

We were told, back in March while staying at one of our home resorts, that despite all, the timeshare must allow owners to occupy. Anyone with any other sort of reservation is SOL, not that there was anything to do at the time - so no reason to be there.

I have heard this also. However, is there a difference between someone who occupies as a weeks owner and someone who occupies using points?

 

[klpca]

I have heard this also. However, is there a difference between someone who occupies as a weeks owner and someone who occupies using points?

I assume that one is a deeded owner of the specific property.

 

[davidvel]

I assume that one is a deeded owner of the specific property.

At California Marriott timeshares, they were honoring II week exchanges as well during the initial shutdown.

 

[Bill4728]

In Sept when Hawaii did their covid shutdown, MVC point owners could not make a reservation at the Hawaii TSs

BUT I understand people who had reserved weeks before the shutdown still could use their week.

 

[TravelTime]

California is shutting down the zoos according to an email I got from the San Diego Zoo. This is getting serious.

 

[bogey21]

I'm not sure which is right but here in Texas we seem to be leaning more toward limitations and citizen responsibility rather than total shut downs...

George

 

[DeniseM]

George - Are you referring to Marriott timeshares in Texas? That's what we are discussing here.

 

[Luanne]

I'm not sure which is right but here in Texas we seem to be leaning more toward limitations and citizen responsibility rather than total shut downs...

George

If citizens would act responsibly then there might not be the need for total shut downs.

 

[DeniseM]

OK - Let's not go down that road. This thread is about staying at Newport Coast Villas.

 

[alchook]

So if Marriott cancels a reservation made with points expiring at the end of the year are they just lost?

 

[Luanne]

We were told, back in March while staying at one of our home resorts, that despite all, the timeshare must allow owners to occupy. Anyone with any other sort of reservation is SOL, not that there was anything to do at the time - so no reason to be there.

I assume you are saying you were told by the resort. I wonder if they know what they will be allowed to do. And honestly, I wouldn't trust their information. They want to stay open. Here in New Mexico we have a 14 day quarantine for anyone coming into the state. But, are the hotels telling guests that? Nope, not most of them anyway.

 

[sea&ski]

I assume you are saying you were told by the resort. I wonder if they know what they will be allowed to do. And honestly, I wouldn't trust their information. They want to stay open. Here in New Mexico we have a 14 day quarantine for anyone coming into the state. But, are the hotels telling guests that? Nope, not most of them anyway.

We were standing in our timeshare villa, facing a woman with rubber gloves and a clipboard. She wanted to know what we were doing. We asked her what we were doing. She said that it was our prerogative to occupy the rooms however there were no amenities, no activities, but at least there were electricit(ies) so we packed up our east coast visitors, put them on a plane and then we left. We received zero compensation from Marriott VC for the remaining 5 days of our week.

 

[davidvel]

George - Are you referring to Marriott timeshares in Texas? That's what we are discussing here.

Actually, we should be discussing California's new order on NCV, or other CA MVC timeshares.

 

[davidvel]

I would suggest that any of you that have reservations at any California timeshares within the next few weeks until through January, definitely follow the link on the Marriott website or call the resort before coming. We are currently at Newport and they should remain open at least for owners because they have owners that own 52 weeks and live here full-time. (Told us that in May) We called South Lake Tahoe Marriott today and they are still trying to get information from the government to see if they will be forced to close when their region closes (Greater Sacramento). The order is that all hotels and state campgrounds must close once their region falls below 15% ICU capacity. Two of the states five regions fell below that level today - Southern California & San Joaquin Valley will be shut down by Sunday night. We came yesterday knowing that many regions would probably shut down sometime during this week but we pretty much do what we do at home at Newport - Enjoy our balcony view, take beach walks, play pickle ball and cook inside or at the most get take out. If you want to learn more about the new Regional Stay at Home Order you can read this link: https://covid19.ca.gov/stay-home-except-for-essential-needs/#rsho-qas

Where did you get the statement "The order is that all hotels and state campgrounds must close once their region falls below 15% ICU capacity "? I can't find anything in the order (see link below) saying that. The pertinent language I find (at p. 2-3) is:

2.
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g. To promote and protect the physical and mental well-being of people in California, outdoor recreation facilities may continue to operate. Those facilities may not sell food or drink for on-site consumption. Overnight stays at campgrounds are not permitted.

h. Nothing in this Order prevents any number of persons from the same household from leaving their residence, lodging, or temporary accommodation, as long as they do not engage in any interaction with (or otherwise gather with) any number of persons from any other household, except as specifically permitted herein.
...
3. Except as otherwise required by law, no hotel or lodging entity in California shall accept or honor out of state reservations for non-essential travel, unless the reservation is for at least the minimum time period required for quarantine and the persons identified in the reservation will quarantine in the hotel or lodging entity until after that time period has expired.

https://www.gov.ca.gov/wp-content/uploads/2020/12/12.3.20-Stay-at-Home-Order-ICU-Scenario.pdf

 

[jabberwocky]

What a mess. Now there are two sheriffs (Riverside and Orange County) who are stating they don’t view these as valid orders and won’t enforce them.

Most of California will be home for Christmas under Gov. Gavin Newsom's stay-at-home orders

The COVID-19 restrictions are similar to those established in March, when California was among the first states to take action to combat the pandemic.

www.usatoday.com

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[davidvel]

What a mess. Now there are two sheriffs (Riverside and Orange County) who are stating they don’t view these as valid orders and won’t enforce them.

Most of California will be home for Christmas under Gov. Gavin Newsom's stay-at-home orders

The COVID-19 restrictions are similar to those established in March, when California was among the first states to take action to combat the pandemic.

www.usatoday.com

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Lots more than just these two in California. And oh no, a judge in Los Angeles has required the health department to explain (with admissible scientific expert evidence), why outdoor dining was shut down, despite their own department saying outdoor dining does not meaningfully contribute to the spread, as the order otherwise doesn't pass constitutional muster. To be continued. . .

 

[Luanne]

Lots more than just these two in California. And oh no, a judge in Los Angeles has required the health department to explain (with admissible scientific expert evidence), why outdoor dining was shut down, despite their own department saying outdoor dining does not meaningfully contribute to the spread, as the order otherwise doesn't pass constitutional muster. To be continued. . .

And yet people wonder why we can't get control of this virus.

 

[davidvel]

And yet people wonder why we can't get control of this virus.

Yeah, China did much better as they weren't restricted by a constitution.

 

[JIMinNC]

Lots more than just these two in California. And oh no, a judge in Los Angeles has required the health department to explain (with admissible scientific expert evidence), why outdoor dining was shut down, despite their own department saying outdoor dining does not meaningfully contribute to the spread, as the order otherwise doesn't pass constitutional muster. To be continued. . .

Yep, there's that pesky Constitution again!

 

[jabberwocky]

Yeah, China did much better as they weren't restricted by a constitution.

China did a hard shut-down. You couldn’t leave your house at all, public transit stopped operating and the press wasn’t allowed to report what was really happening. So yeah, if you have a dictator, complete surveillance of the population and a state security apparatus that knows no boundaries, then yes, this might work.

The other thing is that China doesn’t count asymptotic cases and appears to have significantly underreported their cases. A few of my contacts within China tell me they don’t trust the government reporting, people are afraid to get tested when sick, and find it suspicious that all new cases of covid in the country seem to be related to imported frozen food.

 

[Big Matt]

I understand this is about NCV, but I would like to hear from folks who live in the Palm Desert area. Any thoughts? I saw that VacationForever is cancelling. I have a week with a Feb. 5 check in.