California COVID-19 guidelines / Dec 2020 Cancellations by Marriott/II [MERGED]

[VacationForever]

There is now some clarity about resorts and whether they will only be allowed to accept essential workers, now that the written order is available. This from an attorney (my husband who quotes the order) written in legalese of course:

Specifically, in-state lodging reservations can still be honored:

"3. Except as otherwise required by law, no hotel or lodging entity in California shall accept or honor out of state reservations for non-essential travel, unless the reservation is for at least the minimum time period required for quarantine and the persons identified in the reservation will quarantine in the hotel or lodging entity until after that time period has expired."

This provision goes into effect statewide tomorrow afternoon, regardless of whether the region has met the less-than-15%-ICU test.

Is this for California statewide or county specific? Will you please send a link that is not behind a paywall? I cannot find the order. We are heading out to Riverside County next month. Thank you!

 

[Luanne]

Is this for California statewide or county specific? Will you please send a link that is not behind a paywall? I cannot find the order. We are heading out to Riverside County next month. Thank you!

I found this which has a lot of information. Maybe your questions will be answered somewhere in there.

COVID-19 Home

covid19.ca.gov

 

[VacationForever]

I found this which has a lot of information. Maybe your questions will be answered somewhere in there.

COVID-19 Home

covid19.ca.gov

I actually found the new stay at home directive which goes into effect this Saturday by going through each site. The order is newer than the link here. It was just announced by Newsom today.

 

[Luanne]

I actually found the new stay at home directive which goes into effect this Saturday by going through each site. The order is newer than the link here. It was just announced by Newsom today.

Glad you found what you needed. There was a lot of information in the link I posted, but some of it was somewhat vague. What I got from it was basically, don't travel into the state without expecting to quarantine, and if you are already in the state, stay put.

 

[mjm1]

There is now some clarity about resorts and whether they will only be allowed to accept essential workers, now that the written order is available. This from an attorney (my husband who quotes the order) written in legalese of course:

Specifically, in-state lodging reservations can still be honored:

"3. Except as otherwise required by law, no hotel or lodging entity in California shall accept or honor out of state reservations for non-essential travel, unless the reservation is for at least the minimum time period required for quarantine and the persons identified in the reservation will quarantine in the hotel or lodging entity until after that time period has expired."

This provision goes into effect statewide tomorrow afternoon, regardless of whether the region has met the less-than-15%-ICU test.

Thanks for sharing this information.

My DW and I have reservations for 8 nights in Palm Desert just after Christmas and we live in Las Vegas. Not sure if the required quarantine is 14 days, but if it is this sounds like we would not allowed to go. Am I understanding it correctly?

I just called Marriott Desert Springs and they have not been informed of this as of this time.

Best regards.

Mike

 

[sparty]

Yet another guideline/advisory/order (??) issued today involving ICU capacity numbers and mandatory no travel. Anyone have any more info about this or anyone at one of the So Cal resorts and hearing anything? Supposed to be in Palm Desert Sunday.

Thanks for sharing this information.

My DW and I have reservations for 8 nights in Palm Desert just after Christmas and we live in Las Vegas. Not sure if the required quarantine is 14 days, but if it is this sounds like we would not allowed to go. Am I understanding it correctly?

I just called Marriott Desert Springs and they have not been informed of this as of this time.

Best regards.

Mike

Yes, this is my understanding. So what is the refund policy for getaways and for interval trades if it's illegal to go?

 

[10spro]

So regarding the new California stay-at-home order, it is triggered by ICU capacity, which many guess Southern California (Newport, Palm Desert, San Diego) to hit the 15% threshold next week. That same stay-at-home order also covers Northern California, which is not as close to the threshold, however, 5 San Francisco Bay Area counties just triggered the order to start on Sunday. They did not wait for the threshold. I think anyone who wants to travel during these times, which I am one, coming back to California tomorrow from 2 weeks in Maui, you just need to be really flexible with your plans. The restaurant we really like for outdoor dining just shut down for a few days because 3 employees tested positive. It doesn't mean I can't still enjoy Maui, but you just have to go with the flow. If you don't like eating dinner in your room or on your patio then vacation might not be fun during the lockdown. I would make for sure any upcoming travel plans, especially those through Interval, or Marriott in my case, you need to know what your cancellation options are so that you don't lose points or weeks or money.

 

[gln60]

Thats a “should”, no enforcement, or even a way to enforce it.


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100% correct

 

[Pamplemousse]

Yes, this is my understanding. So what is the refund policy for getaways and for interval trades if it's illegal to go?

II getaways are final sale. II might give you an AC or maybe credit on another getaway if you call and let them know the quarantine rules won’t allow you to go but that is probably all if the resort is open.

You an always retrade or cancel an exchange. You just need to pay a new exchange fee. Act more than 60days from check in if you can to avoid flexchange restrictions.

 

[zentraveler]

Thanks for sharing this information.

My DW and I have reservations for 8 nights in Palm Desert just after Christmas and we live in Las Vegas. Not sure if the required quarantine is 14 days, but if it is this sounds like we would not allowed to go. Am I understanding it correctly?

I just called Marriott Desert Springs and they have not been informed of this as of this time.

Best regards.

Mike

Yes you are in terms of the quarantine, as of now. Much like Hawaii has done. [And their case count/hospitalizations are quite low by comparrison to the rest of the country.]

 

[VacationForever]

Thanks for sharing this information.

My DW and I have reservations for 8 nights in Palm Desert just after Christmas and we live in Las Vegas. Not sure if the required quarantine is 14 days, but if it is this sounds like we would not allowed to go. Am I understanding it correctly?

I just called Marriott Desert Springs and they have not been informed of this as of this time.

Best regards.

Mike

I plan to call MVC on Monday to find out whether they are going to refuse check-ins if their stays are shorter than 14 nights. With COVID-19 restrictions todate, many of the Vistana and Marriott resorts have instituted a different policy for timeshare from hotels, in that owners are coming to their timeshare home instead of being hotel guests.

 

[Luanne]

I plan to call MVC on Monday to find out whether they are going to refuse check-ins if their stays are shorter than 14 nights. With COVID-19 restrictions todate, many of the Vistana and Marriott resorts have instituted a different policy for timeshare from hotels, in that owners are coming to their timeshare home instead of being hotel guests.

You may find that what you are told my the resort and what the actual health order is are in conflict. That has been happening here in New Mexico. Hotels are telling guest to come on ahead, they're open, and not mentioning the quarantine.

I found this from the CA health order:

The governor's office noted: "Except as otherwise required by law, no hotel or lodging entity in California shall accept or honor out of state reservations for non-essential travel, unless the reservation is for at least the minimum time period required for quarantine and the persons identified in the reservation will quarantine in the hotel or lodging entity until after that time period has expired."

If the timeshares can get around the "no hotel or lodging entity" thing they might be able to be open for their guests. But I think it's a thin leg to try to stand on.

 

[SmithOp]

More bad news tonite, waiting for a press conference from LA Mayor Garcetti. The city budget is tanking, talk about laying off 1,000 police officers.


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[rhonda]

DVC delayed re-opening their Grand California Villas at Disneyland Resort. They had been planning to reopen, only to DVC reservations, on 12/6 but responding to the new CA guidelines has pushed this back indefinitely (no target date mentioned).

 

[turkel]

More bad news tonite, waiting for a press conference from LA Mayor Garcetti. The city budget is tanking, talk about laying off 1,000 police officers.


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Brilliant

 

[b2bailey]

There is now some clarity about resorts and whether they will only be allowed to accept essential workers, now that the written order is available. This from an attorney (my husband who quotes the order) written in legalese of course:

Specifically, in-state lodging reservations can still be honored:

"3. Except as otherwise required by law, no hotel or lodging entity in California shall accept or honor out of state reservations for non-essential travel, unless the reservation is for at least the minimum time period required for quarantine and the persons identified in the reservation will quarantine in the hotel or lodging entity until after that time period has expired."

This provision goes into effect statewide tomorrow afternoon, regardless of whether the region has met the less-than-15%-ICU test.

I'm confused by the mention of "out of state" reservations.

 

[mjm1]

I'm confused by the mention of "out of state" reservations.

I believe that means people who live outside of CA and have reservations in CA.

 

[b2bailey]

I believe that means people who live outside of CA and have reservations in CA.

Thanks. What I am asking is whether CA hotels will accept instate reservations.

 

[Luanne]

Thanks. What I am asking is whether CA hotels will accept instate reservations.

Doesn't the order also say that CA residents shouldn't travel.

 

[zentraveler]

Doesn't the order also say that CA residents shouldn't travel.

My understanding (from the lawyer husband) is that, currently as of now, in-state residents are advised not to travel, but resorts and lodging are not prohibited from honoring reservations (i.e. they do not need to restrict to only essential workers).

 

[klpca]

I found this article fairly informative. "A user's guide to the state's regional stay-at-home order - The San Diego Union-Tribune" https://www.sandiegouniontribune.co...-states-regional-stay-at-home-order?_amp=true

There's a useful chart. Pretty much all of Southern CA will be moving in to the most restrictive tier since they are lumping all of the counties together to determine ICU capacity for the region. Locally we are doing reasonably well, but LA and Riverside are in pretty dire straits so everyone will be stuck at home to preserve the ICU capacity. I feel awful for our local businesses honestly. It's a very bitter pill.

 

[zentraveler]

I found this article fairly informative. "A user's guide to the state's regional stay-at-home order - The San Diego Union-Tribune" https://www.sandiegouniontribune.co...-states-regional-stay-at-home-order?_amp=true

There's a useful chart. Pretty much all of Southern CA will be moving in to the most restrictive tier since they are lumping all of the counties together to determine ICU capacity for the region. Locally we are doing reasonably well, but LA and Riverside are in pretty dire straits so everyone will be stuck at home to preserve the ICU capacity. I feel awful for our local businesses honestly. It's a very bitter pill.

Yes, very useful. What is missing in all of these articles (to date) is anything explicit about lodging. Both in and out of state people have current reservations that start soon (ours is tomorrow!) and the information about what that means is implied but not addressed outright; not the most helpful, but I imagine it is to just have people stay home, which is fair enough.

 

[klpca]

Yes, very useful. What is missing in all of these articles (to date) is anything explicit about lodging. Both in and out of state people have current reservations that start soon (ours is tomorrow!) and the information about what that means is implied but not addressed outright; not the most helpful, but I imagine it is to just have people stay home, which is fair enough.

This was what they said in the article with respect to lodging:
Hotels and lodging

The new stay-at-home order prohibits hotel use for tourism, leisure and other nonessential reasons. Hotel and other lodging locations can remain open, but only to support critical infrastructure sectors.

 

[Luanne]

This was what they said in the article with respect to lodging:
Hotels and lodging

The new stay-at-home order prohibits hotel use for tourism, leisure and other nonessential reasons. Hotel and other lodging locations can remain open, but only to support critical infrastructure sectors.

Doesn't sound like they are differentiating between those who are in state and those coming from out of state.

 

[b2bailey]

This was what they said in the article with respect to lodging:
Hotels and lodging

The new stay-at-home order prohibits hotel use for tourism, leisure and other nonessential reasons. Hotel and other lodging locations can remain open, but only to support critical infrastructure sectors.

THIS -- is the reason I decided to forego my Newport Coast reservation that was to start 12/11 and use my last remaining e-plus to book Ko-Olina in January. (Still a daring choice, but that's how I roll.)