[2021] Deceptive Practice [a broker] - Deceptive Practice

[buzglyd]

For those of us who buy/sell on an even less than routine basis, it is common knowledge that Redweek and other timeshare sales sites are full of ad's for which no such timeshare exists for that price. They are simply trolling for prospects.

Threads on TUG document the probable EBAY sales of weeks that don't appear to actually exist, but if a sale is made, the lister scurries out to the market place and tried to get a listing from a seller whose week matched the sale.

Exactly. I see several where they say, sale pending, submit a back up offer. That’s BS anyone can see through.

 

[escanoe]

Same Unit same date. I have seen it with multiple units now. This is causing the pricing to go down on the time share offers and he is undermining the sale and process

I can see how his doing this could result in you getting a lower offer, but it is not like he can undercut you on price. If a buyer really wants to buy a unit they will have to come up to a price you will accept or one someone with a real unit to sell is willing to accept.

 

[montygz]

Exactly. I see several where they say, sale pending, submit a back up offer. That’s BS anyone can see through.

Sale pending is used in real estate transactions all the time. Deals fall through and listings reappear. It can take a while for a timeshare to be sold, sometimes months.

I imagine the broker also wants to give the appearance that he has been selling units to reassure both sellers and buyers that he is doing deals by showcasing these on his website. Are they real? Who knows.

What really matters is a trusted broker bringing you a signed sales contract with a price you agree to.

 

[buzglyd]

Sale pending is used in real estate transactions all the time. Deals fall through and listings reappear. It can take a while for a timeshare to be sold, sometimes months.

I imagine the broker also wants to give the appearance that he has been selling units to reassure both sellers and buyers that he is doing deals by showcasing these on his website. Are they real? Who knows.

What really matters is a trusted broker bringing you a signed sales contract with a price you agree to.

Yeah I get that with a six figure real estate transaction. Not buying it with a 5 grand timeshare transaction.

 

[Lanabanana]

I am starting this think that many listings on redweek are fake. I was interested in a WORV unit listed. I paid the 18$ membership fee to sign up for a year. Emailed that person and never heard back. I think this is a tactic fishing for subscriptions.

 

[theo]

I am starting this think that many listings on redweek are fake. I was interested in a WORV unit listed. I paid the 18$ membership fee to sign up for a year. Emailed that person and never heard back. I think this is a tactic fishing for subscriptions.

Really? That's your takeaway and conclusion based upon one inquiry on RedWeek to which you received no reply?

If there are "fake" listings on RedWeek (doubtful, but possible), I respectfully submit that it certainly has nothing whatsoever to do with RedWeek site personnel "fishing for subscriptions" and, in fact, really has nothing to do with the RedWeek platform at all.

Each and every ad placed on the RedWeek web site, whether for a resale or a rental, has cost someone money to post it. One seller failing to respond to you on a single occasion, for whatever reason (timeshare already sold? unacceptably low lowball offer?, etc.) certainly does not translate to "RedWeek fishing for $18 subscriptions". No offense, but that's quite a leap --- and frankly just plain silly.

I have inquired into many RedWeek listings over the years. Not once have I ever received no reply. That said however, many RedWeek-affiliated "brokers" handling (so-called) "Full Service" listings are often absolutely clueless regarding important details about the timeshares they supposedly "represent" for an owner / seller; an unfortunate shortcoming which can certainly be very frustrating.

 

[davidvel]

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I'm not sure you totally grasp the situation. First, you put the wrong website for YOUR BROKER, which should be keywestfltimeshare.com. You then claim that listing of similar or the same unit at a different (redweek) site somehow affects your ability to sell your unit at your price. I don't see how this is possible. A listing is just a listing. Why do you claim you "lost a sale?" How is this possible?

In fact YOUR BROKER's website has lots of Week 14 units at varying prices:

Is your broker hurting you too by listing the same week at different prices?

I don't think people should post false ads (if this is the case), but really don't get your problem. Is there something special about your particular week 14 unit? Are these fixed weeks/units? If so, the other person can't sell it.

 

[heathpack]

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It appears the Redweek ad is for unit 423 whereas your unit as listed on your brokers site is unit 113.

 

[RX8]

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It appears the Redweek ad is for unit 423 whereas your unit as listed on your brokers site is unit 113.

That is what I was getting at in my post #12.

To @Ekaufman11 it looks like your ad on the Key West website shows that you have unit # 113. The Redweek ad is shown as building 113 and unit #423. They are not the same unit. Also noticed is that it appears that unit #423 is shown both on Redweek and the Key West website.

 

[Pathways]

Me thinks the OP has ghosted us. Came on Saturday with the express purpose of lighting a fire, maliciously and personally attacking someone, and then ran like hell when he couldn't get others to throw more fuel on the fire.

Shame on him!

 

[alexadeparis]

OP posted the same thing on all the Hyatt facebook groups with similar results

 

[CPNY]

That does it for me......if I buy a Hyatt timeshare, I’m buying from Bill!

 

[CPNY]

Deleted..... but I’m still buying from Bill G

 

[Keep Traveling]

Maybe we should put in an offer on their timeshare, then tell them we found it cheaper somewhere else.
KT

 

[davidvel]

That is what I was getting at in my post #12.

To @Ekaufman11 it looks like your ad on the Key West website shows that you have unit # 113. The Redweek ad is shown as building 113 and unit #423. They are not the same unit. Also noticed is that it appears that unit #423 is shown both on Redweek and the Key West website.

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I read it as both units 113 and 423 were for sale, but I know nothing about this resort. I do note it says BLDG/UNIT but are you sure there is a building #113 AND a unit #113, or a unit #113 in a building #423 ???(doesn't make sense to me.) Not sure OP is entirely wrong about the listing, but it makes no difference to her sale really.

 

[NiteMaire]

Bill Gabrielli has been in the business a long time, and has been a trustworthy agent in my dealings with him. Very knowledgeable. I dealt with him when I was looking into purchasing Hyatt. IIRC, he specializes in Hyatt, but is not Hyatt only. While I didn't purchase Hyatt, there was nothing in our communication (email and phone) that indicated any deception. He's one of the agents I've contacted for the next unit I'm looking to purchase.

A quick search on TUG reveals others think he's trustworthy and usually the first one to turn to for Hyatt sales. Here are 4 threads (there are others) describing good experiences with Bill G:

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Hyatt Resales

Hi, new here. I own a Hyatt timeshare, but would like a couple more weeks. Other than redweek, is there another place where i can go to purchase at a good/reasonable price? Example, foreclosures, direct from seller, etc

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Hyatt Coconut Plantation Resort purchase advice

Hyatt bought back a $4200 1880 pt BeachHouse so we ended buying one for 5,600 but the seller paid closing costs. Unexpectedly Hyatt upgraded it to 2200 pts so it ended up a decent deal. We never have used our set week however so appreciate our lower maintenance fees at Pinon Pointe Wow, that...

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Just received my deed for Hyatt Pinon Point

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I don't know him personally, but the threads and my personal experience suggest something different than what OP is claiming.

 

[Ekaufman11]

I haven’t ghosted anyone. I was dealing with the situation. Just an update. Redweek is investigating it and has already pulled my listing and others that Bill has Posted for Deceptive practices. I honestly don’t care what you guys think. Just wanted to update you in the situation. Bill is also being investigated by Redweek for doing this

 

[RX8]

I read it as both units 113 and 423 were for sale, but I know nothing about this resort. I do note it says BLDG/UNIT but are you sure there is a building #113 AND a unit #113, or a unit #113 in a building #423 ???(doesn't make sense to me.) Not sure OP is entirely wrong about the listing, but it makes no difference to her sale really.

Who really knows. I just don't get how the OP is convinced that Bill's Redweek ad is the OP's unit based on the supporting images that he posted. The images that the OP attached show his unit as being 113 but Bill's Redweek ad says that his unit is 423. Curiously, Key West Timeshare sales has both a unit 113 and 423 for sale.

 

[Pathways]

pulled my listing and others that Bill has Posted

Let's see - 18 listings, 14 by Bill, 4 by others. Wonder how many they pulled?

 

[Ekaufman11]

Let's see - 18 listings, 14 by Bill, 4 by others. Wonder how many they pulled?

yeah I am not sure. I know he is being investigated by Redweek. I also know my broker reached out to him about it and he pulled some listings as well

 

[escanoe]

My guess is as many as bill lists, he likely had ads coming down fairly frequently.

I did not buy from him, but had good conversations. He seemed honest, knowledgeable, and is someone I would be more than happy to do business with in the future.

yeah I am not sure. I know he is being investigated by Redweek. I also know my broker reached out to him about it and he pulled some listings as well

 

[heathpack]

I haven’t ghosted anyone. I was dealing with the situation. Just an update. Redweek is investigating it and has already pulled my listing and others that Bill has Posted for Deceptive practices. I honestly don’t care what you guys think. Just wanted to update you in the situation. Bill is also being investigated by Redweek for doing this

The thing is: if you’re trying to do the right thing by warning the world about this, then it seems like you’d answer fundamental questions people have- like why you think Bills ad is for your unit when he’s advertising unit 423 and you own unit 113.

When you don’t answer fundamental questions people have about this issue, then you just come across as an possibly unjustified angry person who is doing the modern thing of using social media to damage someone’s professional reputation.

Honestly, at this point I’m surprised TUG is allowing this thread to persist. I’m all for sharing knowledge but using a quality site for reputation damage is just pretty sketch.

 

[davidvel]

The thing is: if you’re trying to do the right thing by warning the world about this, then it seems like you’d answer fundamental questions people have- like why you think Bills ad is for your unit when he’s advertising unit 423 and you own unit 113.

When you don’t answer fundamental questions people have about this issue, then you just come across as an possibly unjustified angry person who is doing the modern thing of using social media to damage someone’s professional reputation.

Honestly, at this point I’m surprised TUG is allowing this thread to persist. I’m all for sharing knowledge but using a quality site for reputation damage is just pretty sketch.

I almost posted the same earlier, but was giving the OP a final chance, as I hate threads that get closed.

End of day, OP needs to substantiate and respond to the comments, or this thread should be stripped. It is not fair to the accused.

 

[Ekaufman11]

I almost posted the same earlier, but was giving the OP a final chance, as I hate threads that get closed.

End of day, OP needs to substantiate and respond to the comments, or this thread should be stripped. It is not fair to the accused.

Ask Bill to respond. Which he hasn’t called back and hasn’t answered here. Your all white knights until your wrong. I have nothing to substantiate. I already did and Redweek is in agreement

 

[DRIless]

Not sure why you are posting this issue here; your beef is with Redweek. Contact them directly and tell them to take the listing down. Provide them with the correct documentation that supports your position.

Why not here for it to be known and discussed in this community? He hasn't asked TUG to do anything?

If it is the same unit and I don't pretend to be following this that closely, this is either a BAIT & SWITCH or else the Rogue Agent plans on bringing lower offers to the seller's agent and pocketing half commission. The difference in the commission from the $1500 drop is not $1500. The buyer's agent should be chasing this down.