2015 Program Changes [merged]

[Bigrob]

I don't follow. The wording says "20 percent of the inventory at that resort affiliated with CLUB WYNDHAM Plus"---inventory, not available inventory. Am I missing something?

I agree with your interpretation. There is nothing to indicate otherwise.

At certain resorts, there may be relatively little inventory at certain times that is associated with CWP. For example, summer weeks at Westwinds... most of those have not been converted.

It's also unclear if it extends to each separate unit TYPE. If it does, then it could be quite limiting if someone wanted to book several 3BR Presidentials for a family reunion, for example.

 

[Bigrob]

My interpretation is that inventory means reservable nights. Once a unit is reserved, it's out of inventory for the reservation system. That's just my read, though.

They even made sure to get in there that if you cancel/rebook after October 1, even with a reservation placed before, the rule is in effect.

I don't think so. I think it's based on total inventory associated with CWP (which may be a small subset of the total units at some resorts where most desirable weeks are still in weeks).

 

[Bigrob]

That is exactly my feeling. We will have to see how it gets implemented. I think this is actually a pretty ingenious way to make it at least a little difficult for mega-renters that count on cancel/rebook. If that's the case I think this is a good thing. As is the change that is happening with how canceled reservations will come back as regular points instead of canceling points.

I do have a question about the canceled points thing. What if I called today and put my 2016 182k CWA points in the credit pool. They would be good till July 28, 2018. Then in March 2016 I make a reservation with my pool points in January 2017. Then I cancel that reservation would the points come back as regular points in 2016 or 2017.
With the old system they should come back as canceled point in 2017, since that was the year the reservation is. But now they're not going to be canceled points, so who knows.


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I believe they will come back as regular points in the use year of the reservation.

 

[am1]

The 20% think is just going to make this a disaster.

Has Wyndham thought of the times when no one wants the inventory but I am limited to 10 units. That will force me to book at places where other owners want to book.

 

[markb53]

I agree with your interpretation. There is nothing to indicate otherwise.

At certain resorts, there may be relatively little inventory at certain times that is associated with CWP. For example, summer weeks at Westwinds... most of those have not been converted.

It's also unclear if it extends to each separate unit TYPE. If it does, then it could be quite limiting if someone wanted to book several 3BR Presidentials for a family reunion, for example.

By the way it is worded. If there were 10 units available to the point system (not fixed weeks), you could only book 2 since that would be 20 percent.


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[Bigrob]

I wonder if they have been "testing" this inventory management system at Bonnet Creek and that's why there hasn't been any inventory coming back.

 

[bnoble]

Has Wyndham thought of the times when no one wants the inventory but I am limited to 10 units.

Do you have a plausible example?

 

[am1]

Do you have a plausible example?

Any time more than 10 units sit empty at its simplest.

 

[mistalong]

Please .. South Florida - does not have 40-50 rooms to be booked by ONE MEGARENTER.

I'm basing it off of this post from earlier this year:

Sea Gardens Xmas
This morning I dumped 49 units for Christmas and New Years at Sea Gardens.

I needed the points to book elsewhere as wyndham released a bunch of units today.

 

[Ty1on]

I don't think so. I think it's based on total inventory associated with CWP (which may be a small subset of the total units at some resorts where most desirable weeks are still in weeks).

I see what you are saying now. So if a resort only has 30 units in CWP inventory, the limit would be 6 no matter how many have actually been reserved. IF that is the case, then it isn't after cancel/rebook, because you are held to the same limit whether 12 months out or 60 days out.

 

[uscav8r]

Interesting Wyndham email (portion) [merged]

While (almost) everyone is speculating as to the effect on megarenting, there is one aspect that affects the regular owner. Gone will be the poor man's credit pool to accelerate future year's points into the current year. If one were short of points for a reservation, one could use the express reservation to pull points from the next use year, cancel the booking, and then make their desired reservation using cancelled points.

This is a potential downside for some owners, unless the points are being "deposited" into the year of the reservation like the cancelled were. This isn't clear to me yet.


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[Bigrob]

I see what you are saying now. So if a resort only has 30 units in CWP inventory, the limit would be 6 no matter how many have actually been reserved. IF that is the case, then it isn't after cancel/rebook, because you are held to the same limit whether 12 months out or 60 days out.

That's the way I'm reading it.

 

[Bigrob]

While (almost) everyone is speculating as to the effect on megarenting, there is one aspect that affects the regular owner. Gone will be the poor man's credit pool to accelerate future year's points into the current year. If one were short of points for a reservation, one could use the express reservation to pull points from the next use year, cancel the booking, and then make their desired reservation using cancelled points.

This is a potential downside for some owners.

This could be offset by regaining ARP.


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I'm not sure that's correct. If it works like I think it will, if you pull 2016 points to reserve something in September that you cancel, the points won't go back to 2016. They will be regular use year points 2015, the use year of the reservation they were used for, rather than the original contract they came from. So you could then make a reservation with those points for Christmas (assuming anything were available to book).

It will be interesting to see how this is actually implemented.

 

[uscav8r]

Yeah, I just edited my previous post!


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[am1]

I'm basing it off of this post from earlier this year:

Sea Gardens Xmas
This morning I dumped 49 units for Christmas and New Years at Sea Gardens.

I needed the points to book elsewhere as wyndham released a bunch of units today.

May have been for SB and Palm Aire as well. That morning I was scrambling to get all the points I could to book somewhere more valuable.

 

[jebloomquist]

As I read the email
"In an effort to increase availability, there will be a Nightly Unit Limit on the number of units an owner can book at a single resort of 10 units, or 20 percent of the inventory at that resort affiliated with CLUB WYNDHAM Plus, whichever is less. Going forward, the Nightly Unit Limit should increase availability for more owners at the most sought after resorts. The Nightly Unit Limit applies to new Standard and Express reservations booked after October 1, 2015 (ARP reservations are not limited). This will not impact existing reservations made prior to October 1, unless the reservation is cancelled and, after October 1, a new reservation is confirmed."

The email does not say "account". It says "owner". Can an account have more that 10 reservations, if they are spread between the "owner" and "other owners" in the account? This, I believe has still to be determined.

Jim

 

[Bigrob]

As I read the email
"In an effort to increase availability, there will be a Nightly Unit Limit on the number of units an owner can book at a single resort of 10 units, or 20 percent of the inventory at that resort affiliated with CLUB WYNDHAM Plus, whichever is less. Going forward, the Nightly Unit Limit should increase availability for more owners at the most sought after resorts. The Nightly Unit Limit applies to new Standard and Express reservations booked after October 1, 2015 (ARP reservations are not limited). This will not impact existing reservations made prior to October 1, unless the reservation is cancelled and, after October 1, a new reservation is confirmed."

The email does not say "account". It says "owner". Can an account have more that 10 reservations, if they are spread between the "owner" and "other owners" in the account? This, I believe has still to be determined.

Jim

Interesting that you would interpret it in a more positive way. Another way to interpret that would be to assert that it does not matter if an owner has multiple accounts, they would still be subject to the lessor of 10 or 20% of inventory across all the accounts.

It is also unclear as to whether reservations in an owner's account that have guest confirmations on them would "count" against the limit.

 

[Ty1on]

Interesting that you would interpret it in a more positive way. Another way to interpret that would be to assert that it does not matter if an owner has multiple accounts, they would still be subject to the lessor of 10 or 20% of inventory across all the accounts.

It is also unclear as to whether reservations in an owner's account that have guest confirmations on them would "count" against the limit.

The only way to look at this imho is as a shot over the bow of megarenters. With that in mind, I would be surprised if they didn't count GCs against the limit. I would think if they chose one factor not to count, it would be reservations in the guest's own name.

 

[Bigrob]

The only way to look at this imho is as a shot over the bow of megarenters. With that in mind, I would be surprised if they didn't count GCs against the limit. I would think if they chose one factor not to count, it would be reservations in the guest's own name.

Not really. I don't know about most, but I wait to put guest names on until the last possible moment for a number of reasons, but mainly to maintain flexibility in case guests wants to change dates or needs to cancel. In other words, I get calls frequently from Wyndham warning of overlapping reservations that need to be addressed in the next 48 hours or 10 days. So not counting those reservations would not make much sense.

 

[Ty1on]

Not really. I don't know about most, but I wait to put guest names on until the last possible moment for a number of reasons, but mainly to maintain flexibility in case guests wants to change dates or needs to cancel. In other words, I get calls frequently from Wyndham warning of overlapping reservations that need to be addressed in the next 48 hours or 10 days. So not counting those reservations would not make much sense.

But in essence, multiple reservations without GCs are already disallowed and subject to cancellation, right? Or is there a nuance I'm not understanding? If I'm right, then this rule can only be targeted at GCs, If I'm wrong, well what's new?

 

[Bigrob]

There is another interesting facet to this. The regular use year points that are associated to a contract TRANSFER with that contract when the contract is sold. Previously, if you had a contract, made a reservation from those points, and cancelled the reservation, the cancelled points stayed in the account and the contract transferred without the points.

But now...?

 

[Bigrob]

But in essence, multiple reservations without GCs are already disallowed and subject to cancellation, right? Or is there a nuance I'm not understanding? If I'm right, then this rule can only be targeted at GCs, If I'm wrong, well what's new?

That only applies inside of 15 days. And does not apply to same-day reservations. I almost always enter the GCs before the 15 day mark. In a few cases, I've had trouble getting the guest data for the GC and I have to watch to make sure there are different owner names assigned to the ones inside the window.

 

[Ty1on]

That only applies inside of 15 days. And does not apply to same-day reservations. I almost always enter the GCs before the 15 day mark. In a few cases, I've had trouble getting the guest data for the GC and I have to watch to make sure there are different owner names assigned to the ones inside the window.

Learning a lot from you and Ron. Some of it takes a couple times to sink in.

 

[Cheryl20772]

AM1 - I really would like to know how this works with cancelled points.

Example:
I placed my points in credit pool for 2015. I may need to cancel a reservation. Will the points go to regular 2015 Points (expires Sept 30 - End of Use year) or will they go to cancelled points with the 3 year expiration? I paid to have the points pooled before I made my 2015 reservations.

*If they go back to normal use year, I don't think I am gaining anything because you had to use cancelled points before end of year anyway correct?
- I know that if they go back as regular points, you can transfer to RCI or member with "Wyndham Direct purchase accounts" may use them for rewards (cruises, planes, etc..).

If anyone finds out, please let me know! Looking for the "Silver Lining" Thanks

You are not alone!

I always pool points just before use year which is April 1 for my points. Then last week I had to cancel a reservation which went back as cancel points but with expiration Dec 31, 2015. I have nothing else that expires Dec 31; so what use year did they use? I plan to use them in Oct or Nov so not a problem, but I'm going to wait and see how they look after Aug 4. I was expecting March 31, 2016 expiration.

 

[traveldaddy]

Could this be a precursor to tracking all points to the contract level?

Which the next step could be to have resale contracts not get VIP benefits or some other rule changes that screw resale owners?

They might be working to a different endgame and just figuring out the IT and legal to get there in steps.

Just conjecture

Have not seen the email yet.