2015 Program Changes [merged]

[vacationhopeful]

So CWA inventory does NOT count? Only CWP inventory?

How will we know of if 10% or 10 units ... Royal Vista has only 93 units... so 10% is 9 units. But Santa Barbara as 90 units ... but many PRIME season weeks are STILL fixed weeks ... I have 4 fixed weeks for just ONE PRIME winter week ... and one of those is a converted Fixed Week to CWP points.

This might work at Bonnet Creek for Christmas/New Years .. but they have to get the Megarenters with 10 Member Numbers all being billed to the same address, bank account, phone number .... Tax Payer ID Number .... for it to be really effective.

 

[am1]

So CWA inventory does NOT count? Only CWP inventory?

Why does CWP get a pass? At 10 months we are both looking at the same inventory.

I already have one angle to play this that will not achieve the outcome wyndham wants.

 

[CruiseGuy]

Make sure you're reading it correctly: Club Wyndham Access is part of Club Wyndham Plus. Turn to page 367 of the directory.

The correct terminology for points at a specific resort is Club Wyndham Select, which is also part of Club Wyndham Plus.

Club Wyndham Plus includes Club Wyndham Access, Club Wyndham Select, Presidential Reserve, and the Margaritaville programs.

 

[55plus]

I'm not a mega renter, but I do rent to others. I think the new policy is good for most owners. It will give more owns access to high demand locations and timeframes which is a good thing for everyone.

Disclaimer: My position may change after I read the new policy (what I read on this thread I like so far).

 

[CruiseGuy]

I haven't received this email from Wyndham. Are there others who haven't received it yet?

 

[Ty1on]

Make sure you're reading it correctly: Club Wyndham Access is part of Club Wyndham Plus. Turn to page 367 of the directory.

The correct terminology for points at a specific resort is Club Wyndham Select, which is also part of Club Wyndham Plus.

Club Wyndham Plus includes Club Wyndham Access, Club Wyndham Select, Presidential Reserve, and the Margaritaville programs.

You're on a one-man crusade to get us calling Select the right name :hysterical:

But ACTUALLY, your point is perfect. Since it applies to CWP, then it applies to Access, Select, PR, and MV.

 

[55plus]

I haven't received this email from Wyndham. Are there others who haven't received it yet?

I haven't receive the email as of yet...

 

[CruiseGuy]

You're on a one-man crusade to get us calling Select the right name :hysterical:

But ACTUALLY, your point is perfect. Since it applies to CWP, then it applies to Access, Select, PR, and MV.

LOL. Not really, but I think a lot of folks here use CWP when they mean CWS (Select). And I think that letter is confusing a lot of folks who aren't reading it carefully and closely. (and I won't claim to be the most knowledgeable person here, but I really try to read and understand what's going on with Wyndham so that I can make the most of my points)

 

[Ty1on]

LOL. Not really, but I think a lot of folks here use CWP when they mean CWS (Select). And I think that letter is confusing a lot of folks who aren't reading it carefully and closely. (and I won't claim to be the most knowledgeable person here, but I really try to read and understand what's going on with Wyndham so that I can make the most of my points)

You are right on both counts. People, including me, CWP when we mean CWS, and it makes a significant difference when interpreting this rule change.

 

[Cheryl20772]

My email copy arrived at 12:04 this afternoon. Since no one has posted the whole thing here, I'll give you a paragraph. They want us to know they read our feedback. Do you think the rules are uncomplicated by these changes?

The Fairshare Vacation Owners Association Board relies on this feedback and looks for opportunities to simplify and enhance the product. Recently, the board met and considered two particular concerns that over time have emerged as trends: the rules are too complicated and the most sought after resorts have limited availability.

 

[am1]

I'm not a mega renter, but I do rent to others. I think the new policy is good for most owners. It will give more owns access to high demand locations and timeframes which is a good thing for everyone.

Disclaimer: My position may change after I read the new policy (what I read on this thread I like so far).

Even if people think this is okay they better be worried about whats next. Wyndham changing policy at will would be reason for me not to purchase from them as a normal owner.

 

[Ty1on]

My email copy arrived at 12:04 this afternoon. Since no one has posted the whole thing here, I'll give you a paragraph. They want us to know they read our feedback. Do you think the rules are uncomplicated by these changes?

For the average user, I think it does un-complicate the rules. There are few members reserving 10 rooms at a time.

 

[mistalong]

Do you think the rules are uncomplicated by these changes?

My wife (the lawyer) goes, "who they he!! do they think they are to tell us how to use our points? I don't care if we don't have enough points to book 10 at a time."

Me, I think it's good for the standpoint of people who just wan't to book some simple holiday travel without all the hassle. Ron, has a nitch, New Orleans. But the 40-50 rooms at Christmas at all the Florida locations is a bit excessive.

 

[Joe33426]

I haven't receive the email as of yet...

You might want to check your spam folder. I didn't receive the email either, but checked my spam folder and found the email.

 

[Joe33426]

So, when cancelled reservation points are returned as regular points, we'll be able to use future use year points for reservations in the express window, right? Under the old rules, IRRC you couldn't borrow cancelled points if you are out of current and future year regular points. I just had this happen to me due to some weird fluke. The system said I couldn't borrow cancelled points (or rather that I had no points, but I actually did have a bunch of cancelled points in the future use year).

Isn't there something else involved with moving points back from future use years to use in the current use year that results in cancelled points? I wonder if that will change too.

 

[vacationhopeful]

My wife (the lawyer) goes, "who they he!! do they think they are to tell us how to use our points? I don't care if we don't have enough points to book 10 at a time."

Me. I think it's good for the standpoint of people who just wan't to book some simple holiday travel without all the hassle. Ron, has a nitch, New Orleans. But the 40-50 rooms at Christmas at all the Florida locations is a bit excessive.

Please .. South Florida - does not have 40-50 rooms to be booked by ONE MEGARENTER.

Royal Vista is 90 units ... YOU MUST have ARP with ONLY CWP points owned at RV a(s this resort is NOT PART of CWA).

Sea Gardens (largest of the beachy resort and the OLDEST) and Santa Barbara (90 units total) still have lots of PRIME weeks owned as FIXED WEEKs --- a rule change is NOT going to make MORE prime inventory available to any points owner(s). PRIME weeks generally were never SOLD as POINTS.

 

[Bigrob]

That seems to be what they are saying. I'm guessing they didn't think that loophole through very clearly (or there will be some sort of clarifying fine print).

I don't think there will be, actually. It would be too much of an administrative nightmare to try to keep track of origination of points in a credit pool.

I wonder if this is phase one of an effort to "tag" points with a status. It's not clear to me how it will be implemented, since regular use points have to be associated to a contract. What contract will cancelled points be returned to?

I've had situations where they restored cancelled points as regular points, all associated to a single contract, so that there were several million points associated to a 500K contract.

 

[Designerd]

AM1 - More Thoughts/Feedback of Cancelled Points??

Right so will a reservation that is cancelled using credit pool points go back to regular points which can be credit pooled again?

AM1 - I really would like to know how this works with cancelled points.

Example:
I placed my points in credit pool for 2015. I may need to cancel a reservation. Will the points go to regular 2015 Points (expires Sept 30 - End of Use year) or will they go to cancelled points with the 3 year expiration? I paid to have the points pooled before I made my 2015 reservations.

*If they go back to normal use year, I don't think I am gaining anything because you had to use cancelled points before end of year anyway correct?
- I know that if they go back as regular points, you can transfer to RCI or member with "Wyndham Direct purchase accounts" may use them for rewards (cruises, planes, etc..).

If anyone finds out, please let me know! Looking for the "Silver Lining" Thanks

 

[markb53]

With the new rules that will be implemented Aug 4th. There is no limit on number of units a owner can book during during ARP. So for someone like Ron who doesn't depend on cancel/rebook to make a profit. I don't see this having that much effect on them. It you do a cancel rebook at 60 days when there basically no inventory left. You will quickly run afoul of the new 20 percent rule. If Wyndham implements this exactly as written, you could cancel and rebook once, but the second time you would be in violation of the 20 percent rule and the rebook wouldn't be allowed.


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[bnoble]

Even if people think this is okay they better be worried about whats next. Wyndham changing policy at will would be reason for me not to purchase from them as a normal owner.

For the most part, nearly all of the changes since I've owned in the last 8 years or so have been complete non-events for me. The one potential exception is the GC policy, but that's not been an issue in practice. Yet. The 10-unit/20% limit may actually be good for me, but it will be on the margins at best.

If you're a landlord, on the other hand, nearly all of those changes have been at least annoying, if not worse.

 

[Ty1on]

Please .. South Florida - does not have 40-50 rooms to be booked by ONE MEGARENTER.

Royal Vista is 90 units ... YOU MUST have ARP with ONLY CWP points owned at RV a(s this resort is NOT PART of CWA).

Sea Gardens (largest of the beachy resort and the OLDEST) and Santa Barbara (90 units total) still have lots of PRIME weeks owned as FIXED WEEKs --- a rule change is NOT going to make MORE prime inventory available to any points owner(s). PRIME weeks generally were never SOLD as POINTS.

So then one should not expect to be affected at all by this rule....

 

[Ty1on]

It you do a cancel rebook at 60 days when there basically no inventory left. You will quickly run afoul of the new 20 percent rule.

ding! ding! ding!

That appears to be the motive behind the rule.

 

[bnoble]

ding! ding! ding!

That appears to be the motive behind the rule.

I don't follow. The wording says "20 percent of the inventory at that resort affiliated with CLUB WYNDHAM Plus"---inventory, not available inventory. Am I missing something?

 

[Ty1on]

I don't follow. The wording says "20 percent of the inventory at that resort affiliated with CLUB WYNDHAM Plus"---inventory, not available inventory. Am I missing something?

My interpretation is that inventory means reservable nights. Once a unit is reserved, it's out of inventory for the reservation system. That's just my read, though.

They even made sure to get in there that if you cancel/rebook after October 1, even with a reservation placed before, the rule is in effect.

 

[markb53]

ding! ding! ding!

That appears to be the motive behind the rule.

That is exactly my feeling. We will have to see how it gets implemented. I think this is actually a pretty ingenious way to make it at least a little difficult for mega-renters that count on cancel/rebook. If that's the case I think this is a good thing. As is the change that is happening with how canceled reservations will come back as regular points instead of canceling points.

I do have a question about the canceled points thing. What if I called today and put my 2016 182k CWA points in the credit pool. They would be good till July 28, 2018. Then in March 2016 I make a reservation with my pool points in January 2017. Then I cancel that reservation would the points come back as regular points in 2016 or 2017.
With the old system they should come back as canceled point in 2017, since that was the year the reservation is. But now they're not going to be canceled points, so who knows.


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