2015 Program Changes [merged]

[Whoozr]

Just received an interesting email, seems like Wyndham is trying to put a limit on the number of reservations a mega renters can reserve at a location on a given day.

Their discussion resulted in two changes to the CLUB WYNDHAM Plus Program Rules and Guidelines:

In an effort to make it easier for owners to manage and use their points, effective August 4, 2015, reservations that are cancelled in accordance with the CLUB WYNDHAM Plus Cancellation Policy will now have points returned as Regular Use Year Points and will no longer be referred to as Cancelled Reservation Points. Existing Cancelled Reservation Points in your account will be changed to Regular Use Year Points with the same expiration date.

What does this mean for you? Previously, Cancelled Reservation Points could not be used for all Club benefits. With this change, should you need to cancel your reservation per the cancellation policy, 15 days or more before your arrival date, your points will be returned as Regular Use Year Points and can be used for more Club benefits than before.

In an effort to increase availability, there will be a Nightly Unit Limit on the number of units an owner can book at a single resort of 10 units, or 20 percent of the inventory at that resort affiliated with CLUB WYNDHAM Plus, whichever is less. Going forward, the Nightly Unit Limit should increase availability for more owners at the most sought after resorts. The Nightly Unit Limit applies to new Standard and Express reservations booked after October 1, 2015 (ARP reservations are not limited). This will not impact existing reservations made prior to October 1, unless the reservation is cancelled and, after October 1, a new reservation is confirmed.

What does this mean for you? The change should increase usage by more owners at the most sought after resorts. ;

 

[antjmar]

limit on units for mega renters...

Just got an e-mail with some changes...
This will make thing harder for some mega renters whom dont own at a particulr resort. (limit not in effect with ARP).

"...In an effort to increase availability, there will be a Nightly Unit Limit on the number of units an owner can book at a single resort of 10 units, or 20 percent of the inventory at that resort affiliated with CLUB WYNDHAM Plus, whichever is less. Going forward, the Nightly Unit Limit should increase availability for more owners at the most sought after resorts. The Nightly Unit Limit applies to new Standard and Express reservations booked after October 1, 2015 (ARP reservations are not limited). This will not impact existing reservations made prior to October 1, unless the reservation is cancelled and, after October 1, a new reservation is confirmed.

What does this mean for you? The change should increase usage by more owners at the most sought after resorts.

 

[Ty1on]

Just received an interesting email, seems like Wyndham is trying to put a limit on the number of reservations a mega renters can reserve at a location on a given day.

Their discussion resulted in two changes to the CLUB WYNDHAM Plus Program Rules and Guidelines:

In an effort to make it easier for owners to manage and use their points, effective August 4, 2015, reservations that are cancelled in accordance with the CLUB WYNDHAM Plus Cancellation Policy will now have points returned as Regular Use Year Points and will no longer be referred to as Cancelled Reservation Points. Existing Cancelled Reservation Points in your account will be changed to Regular Use Year Points with the same expiration date.

What does this mean for you? Previously, Cancelled Reservation Points could not be used for all Club benefits. With this change, should you need to cancel your reservation per the cancellation policy, 15 days or more before your arrival date, your points will be returned as Regular Use Year Points and can be used for more Club benefits than before.

In an effort to increase availability, there will be a Nightly Unit Limit on the number of units an owner can book at a single resort of 10 units, or 20 percent of the inventory at that resort affiliated with CLUB WYNDHAM Plus, whichever is less. Going forward, the Nightly Unit Limit should increase availability for more owners at the most sought after resorts. The Nightly Unit Limit applies to new Standard and Express reservations booked after October 1, 2015 (ARP reservations are not limited). This will not impact existing reservations made prior to October 1, unless the reservation is cancelled and, after October 1, a new reservation is confirmed.

What does this mean for you? The change should increase usage by more owners at the most sought after resorts. ;

I think the biggest change here for VIPs is that they would be able to credit pool cancelled points now.

I'm not sure how many megarenters are taking 10 superprime intervals at the same location and week. It is obviously happening, if they came up with the rule.

 

[am1]

Not right at all. Points should be points. I do not see how Wyndham can manage this when they have so many other issues that go unresolved.

 

[Ty1on]

Not right at all. Points should be points. I do not see how Wyndham can manage this when they have so many other issues that go unresolved.

This does vindicate the renter strategy of seeking to own prime fixed weeks at desirable locations.

The cancelled points change can't possibly be a bad thing.

 

[am1]

Can points be constantly credit pooled?

 

[mistalong]

My Point exactly

Wrong post.

 

[Sloane S]

Can points be constantly credit pooled?

IIRC, VIPs can credit pool in the actual use year (they don't have to do it before it starts).

Bluegreen recently enacted something similar to this in an effort to curb the large renters at Big Cedar Wilderness Club, limiting people to 10 outstanding reservations per regional area.

 

[Sloane S]

I've heard of a penny a point, but a dollar a point?!!! Ri-darn-diculous!

http://www.ebay.com/itm/371390865394

A dollar a point means the auction would have closed at $154,000. $1565 is essentially a penny a point.

 

[Ty1on]

IIRC, VIPs can credit pool in the actual use year (they don't have to do it before it starts).

Bluegreen recently enacted something similar to this in an effort to curb the large renters at Big Cedar Wilderness Club, limiting people to 10 outstanding reservations per regional area.

I think they can credit pool 6 or 9 months in if they are Gold or Platinum, respectively. No cookies for Silver.

 

[am1]

IIRC, VIPs can credit pool in the actual use year (they don't have to do it before it starts).

Bluegreen recently enacted something similar to this in an effort to curb the large renters at Big Cedar Wilderness Club, limiting people to 10 outstanding reservations per regional area.

Right so will a reservation that is cancelled using credit pool points go back to regular points which can be credit pooled again?

 

[Sloane S]

Right so will a reservation that is cancelled using credit pool points go back to regular points which can be credit pooled again?

That seems to be what they are saying. I'm guessing they didn't think that loophole through very clearly (or there will be some sort of clarifying fine print).

 

[Ty1on]

That seems to be what they are saying. I'm guessing they didn't think that loophole through very clearly (or there will be some sort of clarifying fine print).

It will be important to find out whether cancelled points pick up at current use year or original use year. If original use year, then it will be important to find out whether they expire them on you, or allow you to re-pool with an expiration date 3 years from the original use year. Or maybe they will assign them to original use year and expire them?

 

[mistalong]

Hurting Magarenters?

Most megarenters are well educated, therefore most have multiple accounts so is it really going to hurt them?

 

[bnoble]

Maybe not---each of those accounts would have to be qualified as Plat VIP separately. If all points are in a single account, you only have to qualify once, and can add resale points as needed.

It won't stop the point managers, though. They are definitely working out of separate accounts.

The no-more-cancel-points change can benefit regular owners as well---cancellations early in the UY could still be pooled if you cancel before the end of the prior UY. In fact, I might try it with some pool credits that are due to expire next year that I may or may not have a use for.

 

[Ty1on]

Maybe not---each of those accounts would have to be qualified as Plat VIP separately. If all points are in a single account, you only have to qualify once, and can add resale points as needed.

It won't stop the point managers, though. They are definitely working out of separate accounts.

The no-more-cancel-points change can benefit regular owners as well---cancellations early in the UY could still be pooled if you cancel before the end of the prior UY. In fact, I might try it with some pool credits that are due to expire next year that I may or may not have a use for.

This could put a hitch in the manager's giddyup, though, if, say Ron has reserved 10 rooms for Mardi Gras and the manager wants to reserve another 5 against Ron's account.....

 

[bnoble]

True. I assume that most accounts-under-management are not also landlords themselves. I could be wrong about that.

I'm struggling to find the legal basis for this restriction, though, other than "Wyndham, in its sole discretion can change the program at any time." Anyone else have a theory?

 

[csxjohn]

My post was already stated, missed it.

 

[geekette]

Sounds like it could be a drag when attempting to plan a family reunion. Thanks for the tip.

 

[ronparise]

I've heard of a penny a point, but a dollar a point?!!! Ri-darn-diculous!

http://www.ebay.com/itm/371390865394

Thats almost exactly a penny a point

 

[Ty1on]

Thats almost exactly a penny a point

Poor guy, this is the third time he's been slapped :rofl:

 

[csxjohn]

Poor guy, this is the third time he's been slapped :rofl:

I deleted mine, it would have been four.

 

[ronparise]

sorry dup post

 

[ronparise]

This could put a hitch in the manager's giddyup, though, if, say Ron has reserved 10 rooms for Mardi Gras and the manager wants to reserve another 5 against Ron's account.....

a quick read tells me I wont be impacted.. I own La Belle Maison and CWA points that I ARP for Mardi Gras,

Mardi Gras except for a few Avenue Plaza units gets sold out in the ARP window. Ive never been able to get close to 10 units at 10 months. and my managers dont get to use my La Belle points.

Where this could hurt is when it comes time to cancel and rebook A limit of ten per resort per account could cut my income a bit.

 

[vacationhopeful]

Okay.... did I miss the "YOUR reservation is cancelled window so many days before checkin because you have 10 (or 10%) of the rooms rented?"

OR is it "you can't book a unit in this window as you already have 10 units (or 10%) of the CWP inventory booked"?

Is it FRI and SAT of the same weekend ... really 2 units of the 10 or are they 1 unit of the 10 for FRI & 1 unit of 10 for SAT?

This could get ugly. Esp if you have the reservation in a GUEST's name....