[2013] Beware Redweek4less / IA Vacations / VP Title / [see new names below][merged]

[skotrla]

I successfully completed a HICV timeshare purchase with KB Travel with closing through VP Title. The transfer went fine, but there was a $500 gift card advertised in the Ebay listing, and I never received it and the seller won't respond to emails.

-Scott

 

[echino]

That seller [tra 3213] (and related entities) apparently has two lines of "business". One is a timeshare "exit" company where they charge thousands of dollars to owners desperate to get out of worthless timeshares, then dump those timeshare on eBay. The second is a totally criminal line, they list expensive timeshares on eBay that they do not have, and have no intention to get, then string the "buyer" along and keep the money.

 

[RX8]

That seller [tra3213] (and related entities) apparently has two lines of "business". One is a timeshare "exit" company where they charge thousands of dollars to owners desperate to get out of worthless timeshares, then dump those timeshare on eBay. The second is a totally criminal line, they list expensive timeshares on eBay that they do not have, and have no intention to get, then string the "buyer" along and keep the money.

There is a third “business” and that appears to be to offer a cash gift card after closing of these timeshares. The gift cards are needed to entice buyers who otherwise would pass. Once closed and transferred looks like they decide to skip on the promised gift card.

 

[chemteach]

I am posting an update to my situation - I filed a BBB complaint a month ago. VP Title responded with a lie, I responded to their response, and they responded yesterday that they would send me a refund as soon as they can get Worldmark to stop the transfer. (I don't think they ever started the transfer.) Still have some hope of getting my money back. Time will tell.

 

[TheTimeTraveler]

I am posting an update to my situation - I filed a BBB complaint a month ago. VP Title responded with a lie, I responded to their response, and they responded yesterday that they would send me a refund as soon as they can get Worldmark to stop the transfer. (I don't think they ever started the transfer.) Still have some hope of getting my money back. Time will tell.

I hope you can get your money back but please don't hold your breath




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[rickandcindy23]

I have also been promised an amount of money for a successful closing. Never have seen that money. It was a giveaway timeshare, so maybe the company just decided not to honor their ad. I have the ad printed out, so I could make a deal of it, but I probably will not.

 

[chemteach]

I have also been promised an amount of money for a successful closing. Never have seen that money. It was a giveaway timeshare, so maybe the company just decided not to honor their ad. I have the ad printed out, so I could make a deal of it, but I probably will not.

This was for the actual payment, not a bonus. Other people have gotten their money back through the BBB complaints, but I'm not holding my breadth... I've learned an expensive lesson on this one. I shouldn't have needed to learn the lesson - been doing timeshares long enough to know better. But I'm not going to let this sour my experiences! Heading to Hawaii for 2 weeks in a month, and then Bora Bora on a timeshare sailing cruise a month later. It's all been worth it!!

 

[jjking42]

BKAssets has a eBay listing for westin kierland right now
Is this the same guy ?

Also listing for 6000 worldmark and Marriott shadow ridge


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[echino]

No, bkassets is a different, legitimate seller.

 

[jjking42]

No, bkassets is a different, legitimate seller.

He as negative feedback for Marriott KO’olina that said SCAM buyer beware it was for 7500


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[Pathways]

He as negative feedback for Marriott KO’olina that said SCAM buyer beware it was for 7500


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I question that feedback - BKAssetts has a great track record AFAIK

 

[geerlijd]

I also had a good experience with BKassetts.

 

[PamMo]

I am posting an update to my situation - I filed a BBB complaint a month ago. VP Title responded with a lie, I responded to their response, and they responded yesterday that they would send me a refund as soon as they can get Worldmark to stop the transfer. (I don't think they ever started the transfer.) Still have some hope of getting my money back. Time will tell.

I have also been promised an amount of money for a successful closing. Never have seen that money. It was a giveaway timeshare, so maybe the company just decided not to honor their ad. I have the ad printed out, so I could make a deal of it, but I probably will not.

These guys (and others just like them) will never stop ripping off people if we don't keep calling them out and exposing their scams. If you've been lied to and cheated over a timeshare sale or purchase, PLEASE report them to the authorities (local police, BBB, FBI, and state attorney general) and keep posting updates here on TUG and other websites, so a Google search will find your posts and help someone else. It may not be a lot of money to you, but it could save countless other victims from being scammed. These scumbags make millions out of scamming sellers and buyers, and they get away with it because victims are too embarrassed to report their losses, or they just drop their complaints because the dollar loss didn't seem worth their time. When I worked with the police and FBI investigating one of these groups, it made me feel sick to hear how arrogant they were towards their victims.

 

[chemteach]

From the Seiverville PD:

"My name is Ray Brown and I am the Lieutenant of the Sevierville Police Departments Criminal Investigation Division. I am very familiar with the companies you mentioned in your email to Chief Manning. The owner of these businesses is currently under criminal indictment for Theft regarding timeshare issues from his company.


Detective Lieutenant Ray Brown
Sevierville Police Department
Criminal Investigations Division
300 Gary Wade Boulevard
Sevierville, TN 37862
office]865-868-1749
fax 865-868-1734

I just sent off all my information to Detective Brown. Hoping that there is a June grand jury indictment for VP Title. I doubt I will get my money back, but at least there is another set of paperwork showing that this company is fraudulent... I wish there were a way for ebay to deal with this. (I believe ebay is also at fault because they don't check companies that post timeshares for sale.)

 

[echino]

eBay is very much at fault here. When I determined that the company is fraudulent, I posted negative feedback on my transaction. Instead of banning them, eBay promptly removed my negative feedback and hit me with a non-paying bidder penalty, even though I paid those scammers. eBay was not interested in seeing any proof of payment or anything else. eBay is protecting the scammers and refusing to reinstate my negative feedback to this day.

 

[chemteach]

I think these guys are still selling items on ebay - more people getting messed with. I just a post for a 3BR Marriott grand Chateau that sold for $3600. I noticed the item is from Sevierville, TN - the city that VP Title is in.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Marriott-G...=true&nordt=true&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2557

Hoping the buyer knows enough to not pay cash...

 

[chemteach]

Just giving an update... I went through the better business bureau to no avail. Then I tried contacting the Sevierville police department, but didn't get a response back. I just emailed the police chief and left a phone message. Hoping (but not too optimistic at this point) for some kind of refund.

Separate note - I think that whomever wrote about bkassets got some letters mixed up. KB Travel was the bad eBay seller that has since stopped selling on eBay. They change up their name and start selling again. If anyone sees an eBay ad from Sevierville, TN, they should run - and perhaps contact eBay as well about the ad possibly being fraudulent.

 

[randster2]

I purchased a timeshare at Marriott Grande Chateau on 12/16/18 from tra3213 on ebay. Josh at tra3213 contacted me on December 27, 2019, and I paid $2069.00 by personal check to VP Title on December 17, 2018. The timeshare did not pass ROFR. Marriott bought back the timeshare from the sellers on 4/11/19. I am still waiting on refund of $2069 from VP title on 8/6/19.

Jessica at VP Title communicated with me until May 2019. Her response was "I apologize for the delay but until the check is received back from the resort for exercising we can not close the escrow. That is all we are awaiting is the funds to be sent by Marriott to be able to close escrow and refund your money". Jessica has stopped responding.

I filed a complaint with the Better Business Bureau. The complaint was closed in June due to non-response from VP Title. I also called ebay, but ebay said there is a 30 day window for a complaint.

Does anyone have advise on what I can do to get back the $2069? I thought about contacting the police in Sevierville, Tn, but looks like this action has not worked for other tuggers. Thanks for any help.

 

[CPNY]

I went through sell my timesharenow and had to use timeshare closing services with their insanely high closing costs. Was promised 100 rebate at close (once my payment and closing documents sent in). I received the paperwork and sent it fedex the following day. Within 5 days I received the 100 check along with emails about paperwork sent to recording and the resort. Try to stick with brokers or reputable sellers. Sorry to anyone being scammed. It really is a sad thing.

I also went through a seller here on tug and people “vouched” for her. Everything seems to be going well, we shall see.

 

[Beachclubmum]

I purchased a timeshare at Marriott Grande Chateau on 12/16/18 from tra3213 on ebay. Josh at tra3213 contacted me on December 27, 2019, and I paid $2069.00 by personal check to VP Title on December 17, 2018. The timeshare did not pass ROFR. Marriott bought back the timeshare from the sellers on 4/11/19. I am still waiting on refund of $2069 from VP title on 8/6/19.

Jessica at VP Title communicated with me until May 2019. Her response was "I apologize for the delay but until the check is received back from the resort for exercising we can not close the escrow. That is all we are awaiting is the funds to be sent by Marriott to be able to close escrow and refund your money". Jessica has stopped responding.

I filed a complaint with the Better Business Bureau. The complaint was closed in June due to non-response from VP Title. I also called ebay, but ebay said there is a 30 day window for a complaint.

Does anyone have advise on what I can do to get back the $2069? I thought about contacting the police in Sevierville, Tn, but looks like this action has not worked for other tuggers. Thanks for any help.

My understanding is that filing a complaint with the state attorney general's office can carry far more weight than a BBB report. They are able to pull the license from businesses, or prosecute. I'd type up a letter stating the facts, send it to the attorney general, and cc all parties including the title company. GL

 

[TheTimeTraveler]

I purchased a timeshare at Marriott Grande Chateau on 12/16/18 from tra3213 on ebay. Josh at tra3213 contacted me on December 27, 2019, and I paid $2069.00 by personal check to VP Title on December 17, 2018. The timeshare did not pass ROFR. Marriott bought back the timeshare from the sellers on 4/11/19. I am still waiting on refund of $2069 from VP title on 8/6/19.

Jessica at VP Title communicated with me until May 2019. Her response was "I apologize for the delay but until the check is received back from the resort for exercising we can not close the escrow. That is all we are awaiting is the funds to be sent by Marriott to be able to close escrow and refund your money". Jessica has stopped responding.

I filed a complaint with the Better Business Bureau. The complaint was closed in June due to non-response from VP Title. I also called ebay, but ebay said there is a 30 day window for a complaint.

Does anyone have advise on what I can do to get back the $2069? I thought about contacting the police in Sevierville, Tn, but looks like this action has not worked for other tuggers. Thanks for any help.

This is really unfortunate. I believe this is the Company in Sevierville, TN that has a very bad reputation and a very poor track record. Keep in mind that the Title Company may be in bed with the eBay seller.

I don't believe the Police Department will help you as this is a Civil Case (not Criminal). But it really is Criminal because they are really "stealing" from you. It's at least worth a phone call to a Detective.

You may want to consider a few other options; Contact the Consumer Protection Division of the State's Attorney General's Office and file a Consumer Complaint.

Also, file a Court Claim in the Court that has Sevierville in its jurisdiction (do this by mail). In your Court Claim be sure to take and use a figure over and above $2,069 to take into consideration that you have to fly there, lodging, time, etc. to plead your case when a Court date is assigned. Maybe a $6,000 figure will get the attention of tra3213 and they may decide to quickly refund and mail the $2,069 that you are entitled to.

By the way; I assume you are not located in the state of Tennessee. They are counting on you not to pursue them because you are out of state. PROVE THEM WRONG and go after these thieves. There is NO REASON that you should still be waiting for a legitimate refund on a transaction that occurred back in 12/16/2018.

I wish you the very best of luck in this process and sincerely hope that you are successful in obtaining what is rightfully yours.

Please keep all of us posted.





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[chemteach]

I purchased a timeshare at Marriott Grande Chateau on 12/16/18 from tra3213 on ebay. Josh at tra3213 contacted me on December 27, 2019, and I paid $2069.00 by personal check to VP Title on December 17, 2018. The timeshare did not pass ROFR. Marriott bought back the timeshare from the sellers on 4/11/19. I am still waiting on refund of $2069 from VP title on 8/6/19.

Jessica at VP Title communicated with me until May 2019. Her response was "I apologize for the delay but until the check is received back from the resort for exercising we can not close the escrow. That is all we are awaiting is the funds to be sent by Marriott to be able to close escrow and refund your money". Jessica has stopped responding.

I filed a complaint with the Better Business Bureau. The complaint was closed in June due to non-response from VP Title. I also called ebay, but ebay said there is a 30 day window for a complaint.

Does anyone have advise on what I can do to get back the $2069? I thought about contacting the police in Sevierville, Tn, but looks like this action has not worked for other tuggers. Thanks for any help.

I did contact the Sevierville Police Department. I don't think it will help, but I was told they are proceeding with a case against VP Title. I may try doing what the Timetraveler suggested.

 

[randster2]

Yesterday I filed a complaint against the state attorney general's office. I also tried to file a court claim, but it looks like I have to do that in person and I am not in Tennessee. I again called the office for VP title, and it went to voicemail the five times I called. This potential loss of $2069 makes me hesitate to send money for a private rental or timeshare purchase. When I bought the Marriott grand Château timeshare, the reviews on eBay were very high for the seller. I don't trust eBay anymore.

 

[Bao Nguyen]

From the Seiverville PD:

"My name is Ray Brown and I am the Lieutenant of the Sevierville Police Departments Criminal Investigation Division. I am very familiar with the companies you mentioned in your email to Chief Manning. The owner of these businesses is currently under criminal indictment for Theft regarding timeshare issues from his company.


At this point, he has retained a lawyer and I do not expect him to pay anyone what he owes. My suggestion to you is for you to forwarded me all your correspondence with these companies and their employees. Please include any contracts you have signed showing a total price. I will follow up with you regarding the way you paid this company and we can show a paper trail of your funds being sent to his company and that there was no refund sent back to you.


We receive complaints on this company monthly so we are preparing another round of indictments for additional victims. We hope to have these indicements ready for the June grand jury. Please forward me the requested information along with your drier license state and number (so I can add you as a victim) and we will begin the process of securing an indictment on your behalf.


Also, this company is actually in the Sevier County Sheriff’s Office jurisdiction but the Sevierville Police Department is handling the case at this time. If that changes at any point, which I do not believe it will, I will inform you of that contact.


Detective Lieutenant Ray Brown
Sevierville Police Department
Criminal Investigations Division
300 Gary Wade Boulevard
Sevierville, TN 37862
office]865-868-1749
fax 865-868-1734

Hi ; I'm not sure if too late. I was one of the victim as well, but American Express was able to get my money back. If you needed me to forward all the emails to you please let me know. I can send to you.

 

[Bao Nguyen]

Please beware

Sean Singletary <seanstimeshares@gmail.com> and

Alina Ardines
Global Resort Transfer Inc.
www.globalresorttransfer.com
8900 SW 107th Ave
Suite 305
Miami FL 33176
P: (305) 595-9400
F: (305) 459-1937
alina@globalresorttransfer.com

they tried to sell me a HGVC timeshare that they don't have it.