[2008] Belaire Golf Resort and Spa

[missdaisy10]

Belaire Still At It

Friends of ours (regular visitors to PV) just returned with a Belaire report. We met them when we were in PV two years ago and made the mistake of believing what Antonio and his group of lying salespeople said to entice us to buy.

Our friends know our story so when one of their friends agreed to go to a Belaire presentation, they amply warned them prior to their going. Even told them our experience and how much we lost. So, what happens even with all that forewarning? The Belaire package and all the "sincere" promises persuade them to trade in one of their timeshares and put up some cash in order to have access to Belaire when it is finished.

I guess we all want to believe there is something out there that is so good that we can't pass it up even if a little rational thought and research (which was not available two years ago when we got sucked in) warn otherwise.

 

[Archie583]

Belaire Golf Resort and Spa

Has anbody visted the Mirmar Project or have any information regarding when and if it will open. Any information you have will be greatly appreciated.
Thank you in advance for your help in this matter.

 

[taffy19]

If you bought on June 26, you are still within the five-day right of rescission according to Mexican law. But, you must act TODAY. Rescind the contract immediately. It's your only hope of ever seeing your money again.

Don't try to rescind through PROFECO. Send your letter of rescission directly to Belaire. Send it be registered mail, return receipt, or whatever means you can that will give you a dated receipt showing that you sent it within the rescission period. Notify your credit card company and dispute the charge if you used a card for your payment. You probably won't find any rescission instructions in your paperwork--if you do follow them exactly--but if you don't, just send a simple statement that you are rescinding your contract. Just give the date of the contract, a contract number if there is one, and your names and address. DO IT NOW.

I wonder if footballmom read your post in time to send in their rescission notice to this resort? I looked if she has been back and she was today. It would be too late now. How sad.

How far is the project today? I just looked here. It is very slow next to other projects in the area but it may be completed one day. I also found this web site here. They say it is an excellent location. It's not even on the ocean. I believe that it is in the marina or next to a golf course.

 

[Snappy Sam]

July 11th Update

I wish there was positive news to report but unfortunately there is none. The Belaire continues to offer 5000 Pesos for a visit and still seems to be selling "AIR". There is no real work going on there and since last year when we visited at least three new high rise towers have been built in PV. Two Icon towers and one more Peninsula. So if you think the Belaire will EVER be a reality you are making a mistake. We need to keep this thread current to warn others. Antonio Copola seems to be there more than ever (although he says he just got back from Vegas the day before). Every other Time Share here knows what Belaire is doing and their reps say that Antonio once worked for the Grand Mayan and was fired. Why? Big surprise! For making promises that were impossible. WE were also told he was accused of taking money from the Mayan. No one believes he is using his real name. Of course this is only what we were told so make your own judgements. But whatever you do, PAY ATTENTION TO THOSE OF US WHO HAVE EXPERIENCED THE BELAIRE!!!!!

 

[taffy19]

Live camera no more!

They used to have two live cameras on this site that showed you what was going on but this is the same picture I saw yesterday too. It is no longer live!

You better be very worried if you are involved with this project. You have one year only to contact Profeco, if you feel that you were told a bunch of lies or false promises.

I sincerely hope that people will find this thread in time so they can rescind their contract if they have any doubts. You can always buy it later again and re-sales will be plenty too.

 

[footballmom]

Need some advice

Unfortunately, I was not able to rescind the contract within 5 days, as our contract was signed on June 23rd. I have tried to contact PROFECO via email to see if I could get information regarding the number and type of complaints that they have recieved regarding the Beliare. I received one response stating that there have been 6 complaints received in 2009. I replied asking the nature of these complaints and never received an answer.

We have not actually paid anything yet. The deposit was charged to a personal credit card which isn't due until mid-August. The balance is due to the Belaire on July 23rd. Once I contact PROFECO with a formal complaint, can I dispute the credit card charges and simply not pay the balance to Belaire?

Antonio also convinced us, against our better judgement, to register for the LLC. What a huge mistake! That cost us an additional $1,000. Just for the record, beware when dealing with LegalZoom.com. They also give promises and don't deliver. We paid extra for the expedited paperwork and are still waiting for it. We still can't figure out why Antonio was so adamant about this service. I have contacted LegalZoom.com several times and have gotten jerked around by them also.

I also did some googling on the names of the people quoted in the newsletter we received when at the Belaire. All 3 happen to be from Canada. Coincidence? I was able to locate one couple (the last one quoted in the newsletter - don't want to use anyone's name for fear of retaliation!). They have a realty website which specifically lists the Belaire. I sent them an email inquiring about what they know of the Belaire but have never received a response. Curious?

I would appreciate any advice on how to contact PROFECO, what to say in a letter to them, etc. Just help me get out of this contract! Is it too late for me?

Thanks!!

 

[Karen G]

I would appreciate any advice on how to contact PROFECO, what to say in a letter to them, etc. Just help me get out of this contract! Is it too late for me?

I think I recall someone getting a response from PROFECO that you had to file your claim with them within a year of the contract date. Read through this whole long thread and you should find more information.

If it were me I think I would go ahead and send a rescission letter to Belaire anyway. I would dispute the credit card charges and cancel the card. I wouldn't pay anything to Belaire while I was working through everything with PROFECO. Though you are past the five-day rescission period, given everything that has been said about this project and the
false claims and promises others have reported, it would seem very foolish to pay them anything.

This LegalZoom thing is very curious. This is the first time I've heard of that tactic by Belaire.

Here's a link to Profeco.

 

[footballmom]

Miramar

I called the Miramar 800-number today and they are still not open. I was told to try to call back on Monday to see if they would be accepting reservations then. Something about the kitchen not being complete . . .

 

[Archie583]

Belaire Golf Resort and Spa

If anybody is fortunate enought to obtain a reservation at Miramar would they please post it on TUG.

Thanks

 

[TimeShare Junky]

There was a question I asked as to why Belaire shows about 7-10 floors and I only see three. Their response.

Dear Mr. Swartz,

Thank you for contacting us.

You are absolutely right! By the end of this year we hope to have ready those 3 floors in order for us to have inventory. We will keep working on the complete tower in order for us to have ready next year.

With over 800 contracts and one spending 1,000,000 on a penthouse for six months and other spending big bucks, how many will fit on the three floors (6)?, then multiply by 52.....312 available weeks (One has it for six months, full penthouse). Have you ever seen any one build like that ???? Has any heard on the status for the other site in PV (Miramar) Is that right ? Profeco is no help, I did not even get a reply.

Here is some proof that there is not enough room at Belaire and that we are expected to use their other resorts. How can they get away with this ???? They are working on another resort in PV, why not finish Belaire ? I think this Building is for the owner and Mexican officials.

Dear Mr. Swartz,

Thank you for contacting us.

We do have a sister resort that is Miramar and that is what we are going to provide to our members with almost the same services as Belaire.

So far what I know is that Belaire will have only room on those 3 first floor, still it would not be enough for all our members that´s why we have our sister resort and working on another resorts in Pto Vallarta.

Well Mr. Swartz I hope my answer helps a little.

Kindly,

 

[BART55]

Belaire Vacation Resort

What's new at the Belaire Vacation Resort in Puerto Vallarta? How do current owners feel about their progress or lack therof?

 

[brucecz]

What's new at the Belaire Vacation Resort in Puerto Vallarta? How do current owners feel about their progress or lack therof?

I cancelled membership in time for valid several reasons but for some " Interesting progress reports" go back to postings 8 and 9 on this string" posted back in April of 2008.

They and all of the many "creative" broken promises make for several year would be almost funny if so many buyers had not paid so much for all of the broken promises up to this point. I feel very sorry for the amount of stress and grief the buyers have been put through.

If you have seen all the the posts in all of the several Belaire threads on Tug you would hope that everone had a chance to read those strings before even thinking about touring the Belaire.

Bruce

 

[BART55]

New to the site

I just figured out how to read all of your useful comments......this is very worrisome. What about the Luxury Experience? Is that for real?

 

[brucecz]

I just figured out how to read all of your useful comments......this is very worrisome. What about the Luxury Experience? Is that for real?

If you or anyone else bought IMHO I suggest you read the postings that have helped people recind thier contracts in a lawfull legal manner.

I am sure the Belaire developer is having a :whoopie: " Luxury Experience" on all the Millions he has collected with very little apparently spent on labor to build and building materials.

I wonder what the ratio is that has been spent on sales commisons and ads compared to what has been spent on labor and building materials.

The normal rule of thumb we have been told is about 50% goes for developers and sales people commissions and for promotionial costs. What do you others think is the ratio for the Belaire? For sales commissions and ads I will guess about 98% of the Belaire income went to pay sales commisions.


Bruce

 

[BART55]

What to do?

Going forward, what to do? Am I able to rescind within a 12 month period? Has anyone gone through that process who can advise me accordingly?

 

[Karen G]

Going forward, what to do? Am I able to rescind within a 12 month period? Has anyone gone through that process who can advise me accordingly?

Scroll back up to post #582 and click on the link for PROFECO. You can
contact them and see if they can help you.

 

[Snappy Sam]

Get busy and get out of Belaire!

Please do not waste any time getting out of the Belaire! There is absolutely no one who lives in PV who doesn't say that this will never be built. The thoughts of what is really going on there vary but the bottom line is that everyone we spoke to about the Belaire who lives in PV says that legitimate is not in the vocabulary of Belaire people. THey have even made promises to their sales people and haven't lived up to what they promised them in writing. Antonio was fired from the Grand Mayan where he was a salesperson making promises that were impossible gor the Mayan to keep. I can't emphasize enough how important it is to rescind as soon as possible if you don't want to throw money away.

 

[BART55]

How to rescind?

I'll read my contract and contact PROFECO, but what typically happens? I traded 2 timeshares and am still making a monthly payment. Any chance of getting something back?

 

[Karen G]

I'll read my contract and contact PROFECO, but what typically happens? I traded 2 timeshares and am still making a monthly payment. Any chance of getting something back?

I don't know what, if anything, you'll get back. But, you should check with the two timeshare companies that you think you traded in and see if the transfer ever actually happened. You may still own them and may still be liable for the annual fees. Sometimes on trade-ins unscrupulous companies never actually take ownership.

 

[brucecz]

Karen gave you some great advice.

When did you sign? If it was in the last month and your down payment was made by paying with a credit card, then contact you credit card company ASAP and try to stop the down payment payment or any other future payments and contest the charges.

I mailed in a copy of our recission to our credit card company by registered mail and also sent proof that we had done the same type of registered mail to the Belaire and PROFECO to our credit card company. The $6,000 we paid in full for the 10 week package was refunded to our account back in 2007.

Refer your credit card company to this string so they understand why you want to stop payment.

Good luck.

Bruce

 

[Snappy Sam]

Make copies of EVERYTHING!

And when you contact your credit card company, be sure to include copies of all of your actions such as emails, letters, copy of ther contact with highlighted sections, etc. Bruce's suggestion is an excellent idea to let your credit card company know about this website. You are more than welcome to copy any and all of the messages I have on here.
If you wrote a check, then of course stop payment immediately if you haven't done so already. I know of four people who thought they had turned over their timeshare to the Belaire and as Karen said, it never happened! So contact your other timeshares also to make sure it hasn't taken place. Keep us posted and we ALL wish you sucess in getting out of this mess.

 

[BART55]

Thanks

Thanks to all of you. I appreciate your suggestions.

 

[Scuba2]

And when you contact your credit card company, be sure to include copies of all of your actions such as emails, letters, copy of ther contact with highlighted sections, etc. Bruce's suggestion is an excellent idea to let your credit card company know about this website. You are more than welcome to copy any and all of the messages I have on here.
If you wrote a check, then of course stop payment immediately if you haven't done so already. I know of four people who thought they had turned over their timeshare to the Belaire and as Karen said, it never happened! So contact your other timeshares also to make sure it hasn't taken place. Keep us posted and we ALL wish you sucess in getting out of this mess.

We got in trouble with our timeshare because they wanted us to pay our maintenance fee. We kept insisting that we had traded the timeshare and didn't owe a fee. They kept insisting on payment and threatening to turn us over to collections. After 8 months we got a phone call from a sales company saying they didn't want our timeshare and we could have it back at no cost. It worked out in the end but caused a lot of frustration in the interim.

 

[Snappy Sam]

I'll read my contract and contact PROFECO, but what typically happens? I traded 2 timeshares and am still making a monthly payment. Any chance of getting something back?

Any news Bart on your attempt to rescind?

 

[kiwi4748]

We are still hoping for more results as we have to send in our balance
due this week. We are glad to see some progress since being in Puerto
Vallarta in March.
I am a realtor, so I have read our contract over for the 5th time and
have not found the article Bruce keeps referring to. Please watch the
spelling by the way...
I think the contracts have been changed. Mine reads ..." 5.2 EXTRAORDINARY FEES Any payment of money incurred for unforeseeable events during normal operation and maintenance of the properties or the establishment considerd as urgent, necessary or essential for total and partial upkeep thereof: and common areas, facilities, equipment and services, for the upkeep or replacement of furniture or equipment , or which if not applied the establishment or part of it are at risk of being lost, destroyed or damaged in such a way that the function they were created, constructed or intended for cannot be fulfilled."
Check your contracts. I assume they are tweaked now and then as we found several errors in spelling and typos which we brought to their attention.
Other owners, let me know, do you get your members number after you pay
the total amount due? I only have a contract number and a reference number.
Wind
Wilmington, NC
ps. I didn't join tugs because this is not my life.

Email Belaire and ask them how you sign into the owners site .... they will send you a number to sign in with.
I'm also one of the ever hopeful owners!!??
Joan.