[2008] Belaire Golf Resort and Spa

[TimeShare Junky]

Yes, we were told that the sales building would be torn down....for a second tower when we questioned where they would fit what they stated....

The contract was vague, long and well not very protective of investors.....this could become another issue down the road.

Quite the deal you buy something they are under no contract that it is what you were shown......this really is scary!!!

They are not under obligation it is not in the contract. I wonder if I could fight it in Mexico court. However, my 14K is peanuts compaired to the money others have lost. I would lose to much money and then they would file Bankrupcy because 200 others have also sued them and under the contact they keep the property and building. I would like to know if it is true the builder sued Belaire and Belaire lost and what other litigations are going on.

 

[pammex]

Hate to say this but I do not think you want to fight it in Mexican Court......you will end up paying more than what you invested....the laws are quite different here and frankly I've never heard of a foreigner coming out ahead! Sorry.

I thought there was something in their contract where if they went belly up or sold out that the buyer of the fractional actually owned nothing.....it was legalese of course and I know my DH questioned this, as usually contracts have some protection for buyers if building sold, of bancrucy etc.

We felt the contract covered them very well, all the bases but absolutely nothing for the buyer.

I do not know if the builder sued but seems to me the building company did change......so something up with that.

My heart goe out to all who bought, I would be so mad if I could not use something I paid for....this is why we never go buy pre-construction....in Mexico. Too many loopholes no tin favor of buyer etc.

 

[jeanbean]

Belaire

Does anyone have any new Belaire news to help ease the pain?

 

[Karen G]

I was glad to see the Belaire thread resurface. It has been a long, long time since anyone has posted to it. I wonder what's going on down there?

 

[T_R_Oglodyte]

I was glad to see the Belaire thread resurface. It has been a long, long time since anyone has posted to it. I wonder what's going on down there?

Or what's not going on, hmmmmm???

 

[TimeShare Junky]

My latest question for the scam man

There was a question I asked as to why Belaire shows about 7-10 floors and I only see three. Their response.

Dear Mr. Swartz,

Thank you for contacting us.

You are absolutely right! By the end of this year we hope to have ready those 3 floors in order for us to have inventory. We will keep working on the complete tower in order for us to have ready next year.

With over 800 contracts and one spending 1,000,000 on a penthouse for six months and other spending big bucks, how many will fit on the three floors (6)?, then multiply by 52.....312 available weeks (One has it for six months, full penthouse). Have you ever seen any one build like that ???? Has any heard on the status for the other site in PV (Miramar) Is that right ? Profeco is no help, I did not even get a reply.

 

[jeanbean]

Belaire

Even in Mexico, we, who have invested in the Belaire should have some recourse. Contracts are supposedly valid everywhere. It has been 2 yrs. since our investment and we have nothing, is that true with others?

 

[Scuba2]

There was a question I asked as to why Belaire shows about 7-10 floors and I only see three. Their response.

Dear Mr. Swartz,

Thank you for contacting us.

You are absolutely right! By the end of this year we hope to have ready those 3 floors in order for us to have inventory. We will keep working on the complete tower in order for us to have ready next year.

With over 800 contracts and one spending 1,000,000 on a penthouse for six months and other spending big bucks, how many will fit on the three floors (6)?, then multiply by 52.....312 available weeks (One has it for six months, full penthouse). Have you ever seen any one build like that ???? Has any heard on the status for the other site in PV (Miramar) Is that right ? Profeco is no help, I did not even get a reply.

To clarify: The three floors you see are: One floor of parking, One floor of lobby,etc. and one floor of rooms.

 

[TimeShare Junky]

To clarify: The three floors you see are: One floor of parking, One floor of lobby,etc. and one floor of rooms.

The owners new crib.

 

[Jane Doe]

Well, good. At least you got some of the money they owe to thousands. But as far as the "timeshare game in Vallarta" it has drastically changed. Most of the resorts only pay 3000 pesos to the promoter, including Villa del Palmar, Playa del Sol, Velas Vallarta, and 90% of the tours for Mayan (unless you are at a Gold Crown resort - only 8 hotels qualify for slightly higher pay). But the upside is that the presentations are mostly lower key now (except Mayan of course, and Belaire), Belaire and M still pay 5000 to the promoter, but they are not in the hotel association, so the presentaions at those resorts are higher pressure like Mayan. There is NO FLU here though incase anyone is thinking about coming down. Will try to get new photos next week of belaire

 

[missdaisy10]

Registry Collection Info on Belaire

I should have posted this earlier. I have pasted below some email communications that I have received from The Registry Collection back in March. Bottom line: Belaire is telling them that completion will be in September. Anyone want to bet on that one?

From: Scharff, Maryann On Behalf Of registry-collection, InquirySent: Monday, March 02, 2009 2:29 PMTo: 'dennis_painter@hotmail.com'Subject: The Registry Collection, Belaire inquiry Dear Mr. Painter, Per our original communication, I am following up with you about the Belaire affiliation with The Registry Collection. I emailed our operations team to advise the latest update from the property. I will let you know when I receive a response. Kind regards

Subject: FW: The Registry Collection, Belaire inquiryDate: Mon, 2 Mar 2009 16:20:24 -0500From: Inquiry@registry-collection.comTo: dennis_painter@hotmail.com Dear Mr. Painter, I have just learned from our operations liaison that The Belaire is currently about6 months behind schedule. We have updated our information accordingly. IhaveFlagged this for follow up with you again in September. Kind regards, Mary Ann


Thank you for keeping me posted. According to your records, the additional six months would make their completion date when? Dennis Painter

Sent: Mon 3/23/09 10:27 AM
To: dennis painter (dennis_painter@hotmail.com)

Dear Mr. Painter, Hopefully late August, I would say September may be more likely... Kind regards, Mary Ann

 

[TimeShare Junky]

6 months behind

They were 6 months behind one year ago and they have three floors. A garage,lobby and 1st floor. How are all of the member suppose to fit. Also,I heard that this was suppose to be done at end of year. What about the rainy season ?

 

[TimeShare Junky]

More info from the Redweek site

http://www.redweek.com/forums/messages?thread_id=13197

 

[Jane Doe]

They were 6 months behind one year ago and they have three floors. A garage,lobby and 1st floor. How are all of the member suppose to fit. Also,I heard that this was suppose to be done at end of year. What about the rainy season ?

Good news for you belairians, I saw Belaire today. They have three floors up in iron. As far as for the rainy season, the only hard part is when they are digging holes for concrete. It is really better not to pour concrete foundations in the rainy season. But since the one building they have is already up it is fine. I think that they will use part of the constructions site for parking and not a floor of the building. But at least there are going to be rooms.

 

[T_R_Oglodyte]

Good news for you belairians, I saw Belaire today. They have three floors up in iron. As far as for the rainy season, the only hard part is when they are digging holes for concrete. It is really better not to pour concrete foundations in the rainy season. But since the one building they have is already up it is fine. I think that they will use part of the constructions site for parking and not a floor of the building. But at least there are going to be rooms.

Ummmmm - the best time to pour concrete is when the weather is wet. Concrete cures better in wet weather.

 

[TimeShare Junky]

Good news for you belairians, I saw Belaire today. They have three floors up in iron. As far as for the rainy season, the only hard part is when they are digging holes for concrete. It is really better not to pour concrete foundations in the rainy season. But since the one building they have is already up it is fine. I think that they will use part of the constructions site for parking and not a floor of the building. But at least there are going to be rooms.

I do not know where you got your information, but the June news letter states that the garage is on the bottom, the lobby and then one floor of rooms. Where does everyone else go. Miramar, was another lie (ready for January). Pile on the BS.

 

[Scuba2]

I do not know where you got your information, but the June news letter states that the garage is on the bottom, the lobby and then one floor of rooms. Where does everyone else go. Miramar, was another lie (ready for January). Pile on the BS.

Where did you get the June newsletter? I haven't had a newsletter emailed to me in forever. Thanks.

 

[steve_esko]

June News Letter

Scuba,
The June News Letter was sent out a few days ago via email

It was an Adobe Acrobat attachment and if I knew how to attach it to this post I would have.

Steve

 

[Scuba2]

Scuba,
The June News Letter was sent out a few days ago via email

It was an Adobe Acrobat attachment and if I knew how to attach it to this post I would have.

Steve

Thanks. I found it in my spam filter.

 

[Snappy Sam]

Newsletter

Did anyone ever post the newsletter? We are on our way to PV(if the tropical storm/hurricane doesn't slow us down) and will give a report when we stop by the Belaire.

 

[TimeShare Junky]

Did anyone ever post the newsletter? We are on our way to PV(if the tropical storm/hurricane doesn't slow us down) and will give a report when we stop by the Belaire.

When the three floors are done. When do you think you will be able to get access to the single floor of rooms ? They are going to tear down the current building and you need a show room.

Whats the status on Maramar ?

 

[Snappy Sam]

No Belaire Newsletter?

So is no one is able to post the June Belaire Newsletter?

Interestingly the cameras finally are doing some good for those who are traveling to PV now. You can see the current status of tropical storm Andres!

Any doubt that the storm will set back Belaire progress once again?

We will check on Miramar status when we are there shortly and will report.

 

[footballmom]

Another American sucker?

We just visited the Belaire last week (June 26th) and yes, we were sucked into the deal. I am so afraid now of losing my money, having read the posts on this site. My head is spinning. I really am unsure of what to do at this point. We spent so much time talking to our sales person (Joe Pomares) and to Antonio Copela. A total of the good part of 3 days. Antonio actaully spent about 5 hours with us - which we couldn't believe because we were not investing big bucks, and had no intentions of investing more than the original amount. The building is taking shape, structurally, but is not making great progress. The storm last week barely touched PV, so that should not have made a big difference.

I'd love to hear what's been going on with people lately who have contacted Profeco for their money back. Is it working?

 

[TimeShare Junky]

Profeco response; on year limit

We just visited the Belaire last week (June 26th) and yes, we were sucked into the deal. I am so afraid now of losing my money, having read the posts on this site. My head is spinning. I really am unsure of what to do at this point. We spent so much time talking to our sales person (Joe Pomares) and to Antonio Copela. A total of the good part of 3 days. Antonio actaully spent about 5 hours with us - which we couldn't believe because we were not investing big bucks, and had no intentions of investing more than the original amount. The building is taking shape, structurally, but is not making great progress. The storm last week barely touched PV, so that should not have made a big difference.

I'd love to hear what's been going on with people lately who have contacted Profeco for their money back. Is it working?

Dear Mr. Swartz,

The Department of Conciliation Services for Foreign Residents from this Federal Agency for Consumer Protection (PROFECO) has received the paperwork regarding your complaint against Sunset Group.

After analyzing your complaint, we have to inform that your complaint cannot be processed for the following reason:

According to the Article 105 from the Federal Law of Consumer’s Protection there is a term of one year, after the purchase, to submit a complaint through this Office and in your case, this term has exceeded.

The above since you signed in 2006, the first year of use was 2007; therefore your inconformity has exceeded the term.

Signed 2006 and no building after 3 years. huh. there have been 2 years of delays and only one floor of units are being built .

 

[Karen G]

We just visited the Belaire last week (June 26th) and yes, we were sucked into the deal.

If you bought on June 26, you are still within the five-day right of rescission according to Mexican law. But, you must act TODAY. Rescind the contract immediately. It's your only hope of ever seeing your money again.

Don't try to rescind through PROFECO. Send your letter of rescission directly to Belaire. Send it be registered mail, return receipt, or whatever means you can that will give you a dated receipt showing that you sent it within the rescission period. Notify your credit card company and dispute the charge if you used a card for your payment. You probably won't find any rescission instructions in your paperwork--if you do follow them exactly--but if you don't, just send a simple statement that you are rescinding your contract. Just give the date of the contract, a contract number if there is one, and your names and address. DO IT NOW.