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[2008] Belaire Golf Resort and Spa

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Karen,
As I said in an earlier post I will be leaving for PV on Friday, January 2, 2009.
We will be in the Mayan Palace , Puerto Vallarta and or the Marina area until April 24. with the exception of two weeks in Nuevo. Since it is a short walk from the Mayan to Belaire I will visit periodically and post a report.
It will sure be nice to get out of this cold weather in Michigan
 

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That's a new approach!

Thanks, Bill & Linda, for that report. I'm so glad you weren't swayed to part with your money. You did well.


Karen, they used that same approach back in 2007 when we tourned.

Others in the 3 strings have also mentioned that same tactic.
A few of the newer posters also posted similar and said it was a "great Deal".

One if I remember correctly who said it was a great "deal"claimed to be in construction I think in Californa but who's IP address was in Puerto Vallarta.

Bruce :D
 

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Karen,
As I said in an earlier post I will be leaving for PV on Friday, January 2, 2009.
We will be in the Mayan Palace , Puerto Vallarta and or the Marina area until April 24. with the exception of two weeks in Nuevo. Since it is a short walk from the Mayan to Belaire I will visit periodically and post a report.
It will sure be nice to get out of this cold weather in Michigan

We are and will be at the Lindo Mar in PV untill Jan 10. We will be moving to a differant unit on Jan 3. If there are any other Tuggers in the area maybe we could get together for a bite to eat or?

Bruce :D
 
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What a pity Bruce as we arrive that day in Nuevo Vallarta when you leave. We are two weeks here and two weeks in Puerto Vallarta.

Pammex, are we still meeting each other? I am meeting at least two other TUGgers while we are here and a few friends, typical snowbirds, who come here every year. It has become a tradition to meet each other every year! :)
 

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What a pity Bruce as we arrive that day in Nuevo Vallarta when you leave. We are two weeks here and two weeks in Puerto Vallarta.

Pammex, are we still meeting each other? I am meeting at least two other TUGgers while we are here and a few friends, typical snowbirds, who come here every year. It has become a tradition to meet each other every year! :)

It would have been nice to meet some of you.

A Saturday or Sunday Brunch at the Lindo Mars Ocean front restrurant would have been good place tp meet as it is a decent brunch for only 118 Pesos or less than $10 US.

Maybe someone wiil post a bit ahead of time next year and we can get a group going in PV like several years ago.

Bruce :D
 

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Belaire in Cabo San Lucas?

For awhile, we thought so.

We spent New Years week (week 52 for us timesharer users) in Cabo San Lucas. While there my wife was approached to attend a private residence club presentation at a pre-construction property called The Enchantment Residence Club. She was promised “a different kind of property”. To her, the “come on” sounded eerily like the one we were given to attend the Belaire presentation 18 months ago in Puerto Vallarta.

For the record, we lost about $13,000 on Belaire before we rescinded our contract. Also, I have stated somewhere in one of these threads as predicting Antonio Capela will eventually show up again in another Mexico resort community with a similar scam property. My wife agreed for us to attend the presentation since she really hoped we would find Antonio and be able to confront him. We could hardly wait to see him peeking his head around the corner and recognizing us.

As it turned out, The Enchantment was apparently NOT another Belaire scam--but there was a Belaire tie that I think you will find interesting.

The Enchantment property as proposed is a group of single family two and three bedroom homes with a central clubhouse and all the bells and whistles that Belaire offered. Their website is: http://www.loscabosguide.com/theenchantment/. If you bother to read it, you will see that it has many similarities to Belaire--but also what appears to be some important differences like deeds, a developer with an existing track record, etc.

Now for the Belaire tie and information. We declined their offer, explaining that we had been burned at Beliare and were not comfortable buying into another pre-construction property. Our salesman apparently put the word out immediately because, as we were leaving, a young gentleman came up and introduced himself as Jaime Gomez. His first statement was that he thought he might have met us at Belaire when he was there as the Edom(sp?) Construction Company representative and that he was now fulfilling the same role for Edom at The Enchantment. I think he was there (he knew all the Belaire player’s names well) though I am not certain of his role.

For you old Belaire hands, you may remember that Edom was the second construction company at Belaire. They even had Belaire on their website for awhile and were touted by the Belaire sales staff as a guarantee that the project would eventually be built. While I do not put full stock in Mr. Gomez’s representations, here is what he had to say about Belaire:
• He thinks Belaire will eventually be built—maybe five years down the road.
• Edom pulled out of the project because they could not work with Antonio. Twice he said, “Antonio is a control freak.” He said that was his biggest problem.
• When they pulled out, Belaire owed Edom a lot of money. Antonio refused to pay and so they sued to tie up Belaire’s money. The lawsuit was recently settled for a couple of million dollars. During this time, construction progress at Belaire was brought to a halt.
• Israel Curi (who we had primary contact with for the first 6-8 months of our odyssey) is in jail for embezzlement from Belaire.

A couple of amusing asides to the presentation:
1. When we visited the model (which was predictably beautiful), I watched my wife. The first thing she did was walk into the kitchen and try to turn on the water. No water. You may remember that some on this thread in the past made a big deal out of the lack of water in the faucets at the Belaire models.
2. Towards the end of the presentation the sales person left us alone for a minute before giving us pricing. My wife asked me, "So what do you think?" I said, "Well, its eerily like Belaire except for the yacht club". Sure enough, when he came back to the table, he pulled out the brochure on The Enchantment yacht club program. It was hard to restrain the laughter.

Thought you all would appreciate how Belaire keeps rearing its ugly head up wherever we go in Mexican timeshare circles. Have a nice day.
 

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We spent New Years week (week 52 for us timesharer users) in Cabo San Lucas. While there my wife was approached to attend a private residence club presentation at a pre-construction property called The Enchantment Residence Club.
Was Enchantment located on the hillside above the Costco store? On our last day in Cabo in August a timeshare guy approached us about touring a new property called Enchantment and said it was near Costco. I was thinking maybe he was referring to Encantada, which is on the water side of the main highway.

I did see some kind of development in that area as we were leaving and going along the highway.
 

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Belaire All-Inclusive????

My wife and I bought at Belaire 2 years ago (January '07). Needless to say we're unhappy and are becoming more so after reading some of the comments on this thread. We're from Toronto but are in PV now. Earlier this week we checked in on Belaire and had a gander at the model suites which are very impressive. The "present" manager informed us that completion is expected in December '09. We left the premises feeling marginally sanguine and hoping that perhaps things would work out. A few days later my wife was checking the website of the "luxury experience" and discovered that "all-inclusive was mentioned in the member description for Belaire. We e-mailed Karla at Belaire and she informed us that it is ONLY $100 per person per day. The idea of an all-inclusive was never mentioned at our presentation or any time since. If this is true we never would have bought in the first place. I might point out that my neither my wife or I are neophytes to this timeshare game and if all-inclusive had been mentioned we would have ran like hell.
Has anyone else been told it's all-inclusive or have any other knowledge to share?
 

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From what we were told, the ALL-INCLUSIVE provision was that each owner would for one week of their stay, spend at least $60 USD per day at the restrauant. If you have guests, it would be wise to have them at a different time other than that particular week. I would certainly assume, if that information is not in your contract, you will not be forced to abide. Please do not sign anything that you do not understand. Has anyone any info on Miramar? It is supposed to be available at the end of Feb. for Belaire owners use.
 

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We have been promised a reservation for the middle of Feb at the Miramar, since Oct of 2008 and have not been able to obtain a written confirmation.
When our e-mails are responded to, which is not often, we get reasons for the resort not opening as yet. According to the newsletter, it was scheduled to open in Dec. Feb is not far off, and we're at a loss and can see no solution. When they have your money up front, you have no leverage. No one to blame but ourselves, for being taken.

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From what we were told, the ALL-INCLUSIVE provision was that each owner would for one week of their stay, spend at least $60 USD per day at the restrauant. If you have guests, it would be wise to have them at a different time other than that particular week. I would certainly assume, if that information is not in your contract, you will not be forced to abide. Please do not sign anything that you do not understand. Has anyone any info on Miramar? It is supposed to be available at the end of Feb. for Belaire owners use.
 

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Response to Karen G's Question Above

Yes, Enchantment is north of the four lane behind Costco. They have apparently bought some property up there that includes a bunch of apartments/townhomes which I think are rented. Though the project does not have beach frontage or beach access, they are promising a "beach club". Sounds like Belaire in that regard too. So many similiarities...
 

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belaire Resort

We signed a contract 2 years ago this Jan as well but was specific in our contract about the all inclusive. We insisted they write it in as optional and they did. We do not have to go all inclusive.
We also met with Jaimie Gomez at the Belaire and as far as we are concerned her is as sleazy as they come. I would not believe anything he says. He represented himself as the ODOM representative as well.We are on our way (driving) as we speak and will be in PV for 6 weeks so we will be there keeping tabs and will go there frequently.
 

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Driving to PV

Due to past airline problems, we have also considered driving to PV - if we ever receive the reservation - would like to hear about your experience in doing so. Sounds practical, if you're staying for any length of time. Also, Belaire and Miramar news would be great. Our all-inclusive clause is $55/adult/day for the 1st week.
 

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Thanks to Rockinghams and Judy 23 for their responses re "all inclusive" at Belaire. It was prudent to have an exclusionary clause inserted. Why didn't we think of that? I guess "caveat emptor" has triple significance in Mexico.
As there's no mention of an all inclusive in our contract, one would think we're on firm legal ground but then again it is Mexico. My wife has purchased 2 properties in PV previously and, notwithstanding the usual stretching of the truth that we all encounter with the timeshare rogues, has not felt "major" ripped off. The Belaire thing has taken on a different tone. With the pattern of misrepresentation, blatant falsehoods and conflicted reasons for construction delays, it's starting to look a lot like a scam. Another interesting promise we were made was that Belaire would take 4 of our weeks a year, market them and then send us a big fat check in March. Not only has there been no cheque but there isn't even a place to market. Upon reflection, this whole venture had the "too good to be true" label written all over it. I hope I'm merely having a paranoic episode regarding this whole mess but as the facts unfold it's starting to look ugly.
In a strange coincidence, while attending an update at Playa del Sol in Nuevo we spotted the timeshare guy (George Hanson) who suckered us at Belaire working at the next table. Apparently he left after a month but we were able to get little information out of him. Funny---he was our best friend for about 5 hours when we bought at Belaire. When we confronted him he seemed to lose his affable nature and had absolutely no time for us. Just another dirt bag. His name's George Hanson so if any of you are visiting Playa del Sol for a presentation and you end up with this guy feel free to rub Belaire in his face and do anything else to his face for that matter. At least he didn't end up in jail like that other upstanding Belaire employee Israel.
 

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What's the Story on Miramar?

I asked this before but never received a clear answer. When did Belaire supposedly buy this property for its members to use? How do you know this legit? In light of all their other lies, how do you know that this is not one more of their attempts to convince members and prospective purchasers that they really are a legitimate operation? I seem to recall that Miramar is in Mismaloya. Is this correct? Is it a new property or a renovation of an existing property? If a reno, is this old Casa Iguana property at the river on the off side of the highway away from the beach? I don't have access to Belaire's communications to members any longer but would appreciate knowing what they are supposedly up to.
 

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In a strange coincidence, while attending an update at Playa del Sol in Nuevo we spotted the timeshare guy (George Hanson) who suckered us at Belaire working at the next table. Apparently he left after a month but we were able to get little information out of him. Funny---he was our best friend for about 5 hours when we bought at Belaire. When we confronted him he seemed to lose his affable nature and had absolutely no time for us. Just another dirt bag. His name's George Hanson so if any of you are visiting Playa del Sol for a presentation and you end up with this guy feel free to rub Belaire in his face and do anything else to his face for that matter. At least he didn't end up in jail like that other upstanding Belaire employee Israel.
How absolutely awful what you are going through. :bawl: We are in PV/NV right now and it was my plan to take a tour at this resort just to see what they had to offer and take some pictures too of the progress. However, since some of the other members here have volunteered to post some updated pictures of the progress,we don't need to bother now and the reason for this is that I received an email a few months ago from a lady who went on a presentation here but refused to buy but the BelAire resort had charged her credit card to the limit anyway. She tried to dispute it with her bank but didn't get it resolved so she warned me and wanted to know if I had a good experience with them or not. We have never been there yet so have no good or bad experience. Did this lady contact anyone of you too?

All I can say is be careful if you want to tour this resort for a supposedly "free gift" because the "free gift" may not be so free and will cause you a lot of headaches afterwards. :wall:
 

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I'll be in touch soon.....lots going on, but have lots of info for all as well...sorry I missed meeting many of you....
 

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Miramar

Miramar is in Mismaloya and is a renovated resort. We have received pictures that appear comparable to the Belaire, not quite as well decorated, but, better than most. It was supposed to be ready for occupancy in Dec, but were told they were having maintenance problems. The photos and the reservation promise were rec'd in Oct 08, but, nothing in writing. If it is not in writing, we have nothing. At the time of purchase, we were told they would put us in another resort until Belaire was ready. Now, they will not respond to e-mails, even with false promises. Our Belaire contract is in writing, and at this point and time is worth nothing either. Seems to be "all lies". We have been going to PV, buying at the different resorts for many years and have never encountered anything such as this.
 

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Don´t say NO too soon

We were offered a $400 tour on Jan 9th and bit. When we arrived we saw the previously reported 5 guys in the hole dragging around shovels, etc. When we said that we wouldn´t buy preconstruction, they booted us right away without gifting us! This has never ahppened to us before but the chisel faced american who came over to give us the good news, said they weren´t an ATM. I wasn´t feeling argumentative so wew just left.
BEWARE of this tour.
STeve
 

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Belaire and Profeco

To anyone who signs up for a "presentation" at Belaire, I suggest you make a photocopy of your presentation certificate. If they "boot" you off the premises, take your copy to Profeco in PV (recently moved) and tell your story. I believe they will force Belaire to make good on their offer. The "preconstruction" label is not valid as a viable exception to completing their part of the agreement.

My wife and I are in PV now and took a walk from the marina to Belaire and saw a hole with a few footings poured, and about 10 or 12 small steel girders set on them. We saw four guys walking around the hole and two guys in the guard shack near the construction gate. Little discernible activity.

We did the Belaire presentation three years ago, and that's the sum total of their progress. We have watched on the other hand the one-year completion of the RIU Palace near Bucerias, a massive facility.

I fear that many people have been "taken" by Belaire......we weren"t.

Bill
 

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Belaire Response to some of my complaints

The construction has been going on for 3+ years. My contract states something to the effect "resonable timeline"

Dear Mr. Swartz,

I have read through your letter of complaint to PROFECO outlining your issues. While I understand that you and some other members feel Belaire has not lived up to the contract that is not the case. To cover just some of your key points outlined.

1) The contract does not indicate a completion date for the resort. It states a first year of use for when you can begin use of you membership benefits. All the member benefits were available to you and other members as outlined.
2) We have 3,624 properties available for exchanges, some from RCI, II, Dial-an-Exchange and several other independent companies where all you pay is the exchange fee and don't need your own membership to be paid each year.
3) Things like rental of weeks and stays at Belaire obviously can only be accommodated once the resort is built and it indicates this throughout the contract.
4) The Belaire Resort has always been all-inclusive for the registered week(s) which gives you food and beverages. You do not have any maintenance fees or other fees while staying at Belaire.
5) The company does have Tennis, Golf and Yacht clubs for members with those indicated in their contracts. We have members using those services every day.

PROFECO is indeed the proper place for you to take your issues and file any complaint you have. We will respect whatever decision they make regarding your rights and the contract.


Sincerely,


John Anthony
Customer Care & Member Services
PV Belaire Golf Resort & Spa
The Luxury Experience Private Resort Collection
Phone: 866-438 1448
E-mail: customer.care@belairevacationclub.com
 

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I'll be in touch soon.....lots going on, but have lots of info for all as well...sorry I missed meeting many of you....

Hi Pammex,

We are at Velas Vallarta 3 Jan - 14 Feb 2009. Were you here? We went the the BelAir presentation in November. We could see the BelAir's 'progress' from high up at Velas. It is amazing to see a few columns move around. Some Velas employees commented that BelAir is 'pretending' to build.

We didn't buy at the BelAir but my husband still talks about who much he'd like to 'invest' in the opportunity they presented. He has more confidence in the project that I do.

Hope to meet you next time we are in the same town. I use http://TripIt.com in case you also use it. It make it easy to track when were are in the same town as others.

Best regards,
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I find it amusing that the video-cam linked here over two months ago (April 17) apparently no longer exists and the most recent photos on the "real time" construction site are dated back in early April.

Whether it's a scam or not, I can't judge. But the purported ongoing construction, touted on this BBS for many months, doesn't seem to exist.

According to those real time video cams, they're still placing concrete for the foundations!!! :D

Is Belaire anywhere near the Marina? We'll be in PV next month, and I might saunter over if it's not too far from us.
 

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According to those real time video cams, they're still placing concrete for the foundations!!! :D

Is Belaire anywhere near the Marina? We'll be in PV next month, and I might saunter over if it's not too far from us.

You will probably find it interesting to see 'the construction'.

Where will you be in PV. If you call the 'Marina' the area across from the Marriott then there is Marriott, Porto Fina, Velas Vallarta, Bay View Grand and BelAir. The Casa Velas are across from the golf course and also a block away. Mayan Palace in the Marina is on the other side of the Marriott between Melia and Westin. This Marina is the one with tons of shops & restaurants.

Some people refer to the area across from WalMart where the huge cruise ships dock as 'the marina.' We can see this area from the lighthouse or Westin but it is a long, long walk. On the other side of this Marina is Crown Paradise, Vallarta Torre, Krystal etc.
 
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