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[2008] Belaire Golf Resort and Spa

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It would be nice if someone would supply of a verifiable letter showing that the financing is in place that would be a postive sign and help assure some of people who still have money sunk into the Belaire project.

If there is no postive response in a day or two that can be verified then some may assume that there is no loan in place guaranteeing the money to complete this project.
I don't believe your premise is valid, Bruce. You're asking for something that isn't reralistic to obtain. Companies generally don't share such correspondence with individuals. Thus, if no one posts such a letter, that shouldn't suggest that financing isn't in place.
 

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I don't believe your premise is valid, Bruce. You're asking for something that isn't reralistic to obtain. Companies generally don't share such correspondence with individuals. Thus, if no one posts such a letter, that shouldn't suggest that financing isn't in place.


Dave, I think that I would have agree what you posted makes good common sense in most cases as I belive you have for more experiance in this area with you being a accountant.

I did notice on our Belaire contract that we cancelled on September 13, 2007 states on the cover page provided by the Belaire proceeding the 8 page contract, the following bank information was supplied by the Belaire on their cover page.

Here is that Information word for word as best as I could copy it and to a degree what I based my question on.
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International Bank Wire Information

Name: World Resorts Marketing Enterprises S de RL de CV

Account number *removed...dont post personal account numbers online*

Clabe Number :*removed*

Bank:HSBC
Suc 940 Aeropuerto Puerto Vallarta

Bank Address: AV. Franicisco M. Asencio s/n Loc.17 P.B. Edif.1 Col.Las Flores C.P. 48856 Purto Vallatra, Jal.

City: Puerto Vallarta

State:Jalisco

Country: Mexico

ABA Code *removed*

Swft: *removed*

_________________________________________________________________

I understand this cover page does not say anything about this bank supplying the Belaire with a bussiness loan. But it does show a working relationship at one time. I wonder if they are still the bank were the buyers payments are to be sent?

So, I wonder if this might be a bank that might be the one bank (or part of a group of banks)that might have been originally behind the loan seeing Belaire buyers payments were to be sent to them as of September 11, 2007 when we signed the contact on that date? We cancelled on September 13, 2007.

I guess because I feel in our case it is to our advantage to post on our timeshare rentals than we volunteer that we are more than willing to share copies of our ownership and/or copies of our confirmed reservations.

I feel that gives us a edge seeing we have established our financial creditability when most others do not post that info in their ads. We have had customers tell us that info offer of our was one of the desiding factors why they rented from us,

I learned from experience that to have more success in bigger ticket sales items when asking for the order (rental, sale, etc) you have to establish that you can in fact deliver beyond a doubt on all written and verbal promises.

In fact besides displaying industry awards we also displayed a letter from our bank stating that we had paid off the mortgage on our 5,000 square foot office show room. That fact established our financial creditability.

But again, I given to understand that your professtional expertise in this area surpasses my experiances with my small business that I once had.

Bruce :D
 
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I have bee watching progess with the camera's and it seems to me that the cement that has been poured has not progressed for two weeks. Is there some Mexican law that allows a super slow progress and still is considered being built. This allows the Belair property owners to use it as a sales mechanism to get more cash flow by selling a dream.

At the end of that time when all sales have been squeezed out of the future owners, he files bankrupcy and keeps the property and land per the contract.

Is this an unrealistic vision ?

Other Concern:

Per my contract my deposit of my week goes into II, this was not negotialble and this is not so. Belair was suppose to buy back my weeks (4 or 5) each year and they have not done so. I bought two years ago, can I still go to Perfeco in December when I return to PV.

Does anyone else feel the same way?

The good news is even the though the Profeco office is closed here, they are still here. Now they are mobile, and stationed in front of the Sheraton at the stadium. The other good news is here if you file bankruptcy you lose your property and all the owners still have their rights and the government runs it. Can someone tell me how to post a picture on here. I have pictures for you guys bu can't figure out how to put it up in my post.
 

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This is the same information I have, as of Aug 2008
Mary


International Bank Wire Information

Name: World Resorts Marketing Enterprises S de RL de CV

Account number *removed - dont post personal account numbers online please*

Clabe Number :*removed*

Bank:HSBC
Suc 940 Aeropuerto Puerto Vallarta

Bank Address: AV. Franicisco M. Asencio s/n Loc.17 P.B. Edif.1 Col.Las Flores C.P. 48856 Purto Vallatra, Jal.

City: Puerto Vallarta

State:Jalisco

Country: Mexico

ABA Code *removed*

Swft: *removed*
 
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I took a look at the Cam's today looking at the Belaire work site. Does anyone question why they are not working weekends ? When they are so behind is schedule, you would think they would work outside bankers hours.
 

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That is great news!!

Thanks for taking time to let us know the new location.

Greg

The good news is even the though the Profeco office is closed here, they are still here. Now they are mobile, and stationed in front of the Sheraton at the stadium. The other good news is here if you file bankruptcy you lose your property and all the owners still have their rights and the government runs it. Can someone tell me how to post a picture on here. I have pictures for you guys bu can't figure out how to put it up in my post.
 

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Do you see why we suspect that you are involved with the company?
You come off as the know all to end all about everything related to Timeshares and the Belaire.
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The key word in this definition is False, and nothing that I have posted is false, I may be incorrect in my assumption that you are Anthony, but everything else I have posted is true or my opinion, both of which I am more than willing to defend.:clap:


To come here and attempt to get some of us to back off our informational stance , your private messages to the boards owner and moderators, the posts on Redweek about how TUG closed this thread because of the threat of a lawsuit, all these things add up to a preponderance of evidence for all to see and evaluate for themselves, which is what we do here on the oldest, most respected timeshare user group bbs.

fwiw,

Greg

I haven't been on in a while because I have better things to do than to waste my time here but I will respond to your posting.

To your first comment. I have not tried to say I am all that knowledgeable about Timeshare or Belaire. I am however, able to do my homework regarding subjects that people claim to know so much about but can be proven otherwise. I also know much more about Belaire as a current member and what I have been able to utilize from my membership than those that are not members and therefore have no real clue, only speculation and assumptions.

Yes, "false" is the key word. And if something is not true, then it is false. Again, people can state their opinion, but if it is an untrue statement and is harmful to someone or their business or reputation then it doesn't matter what you call it, it meets the definition.

Again, you said I was Anthony. That is false.

I have not come here to "back anyone off their informational stance". I merely have provided my opinions which just happen to support a different side of the story and some facts that can be verified. So, again your statement is false.

Your statement about my "posts on Redweek about how TUG closed this thread because of the threat of a lawsuit." I have never been on that site which again is false.

Therefore, to your first point about why I logged onto this site to begin with and came out as you say "swinging" because just like in your post with at least three absolutely false statements there are dozens more exactly the same. just a bunch of false statements.
 

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Thanks Big Dog

For posting more of your opinion, :wave: :whoopie: :cheer:

Greg
 

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I haven't been on in a while because I have better things to do than to waste my time here but I will respond to your posting.

Great Dane:

Glad to see you wasting your time again responding to a posting here on TUGbbs. I guess that must be what we are all doing. Welcome to the club.
 

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Has anyone besides me noticed that the "live webcam" pictures have been exactly the same for quite some time?

If it took this long to build all structures in Mexico, nothing would have ever been built.

I hope all the folks who bought in are not taken to the cleaners on this but nothing seems to be getting done.:eek:
 

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Has anyone besides me noticed that the "live webcam" pictures have been exactly the same for quite some time?

If it took this long to build all structures in Mexico, nothing would have ever been built.

I hope all the folks who bought in are not taken to the cleaners on this but nothing seems to be getting done.:eek:



Yes, others have noticed the webcam issues and it was mentioned awhile ago. It is neither an incredibly clever nor original scheme to show the same images, if, indeed, that is what is being shown. :hysterical: :hysterical:
 

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We just looked at camera #1 and saw two people working. The link is here (both pictures) but you need to refresh camera 1 and 2 constantly on my old Mac. They certainly haven't advanced much in all these months. We may go and visit it next January to see what is going on and take some pictures too. :)

PS. I just looked at camera #2 too. Same two people so not a big crew of workers.
 
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I guess the roughly 15 tons of concrete, in my estimation, for the foundation that was not there 8 weeks ago doesn't constitute much for those who don't understand construction.

I watch the web cams everyday and while one or the other of them may have problems from time to time for an hour or two, they are most always working. On Monday, I counted 9 workers on the site.
 

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We just looked at camera #1 and saw two people working. The link is here (both pictures) but you need to refresh camera 1 and 2 constantly on my old Mac. They certainly haven't advanced much in all these months. We may go and visit it next January to see what is going on and take some pictures too. :)

PS. I just looked at camera #2 too. Same two people so not a big crew of workers.

ok, attempting pictures. THis is sunday. Today I went by and only 5 people were working.:zzz:

family554.jpg
 
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I guess the roughly 15 tons of concrete, in my estimation, for the foundation that was not there 8 weeks ago doesn't constitute much for those who don't understand construction.

I watch the web cams everyday and while one or the other of them may have problems from time to time for an hour or two, they are most always working. On Monday, I counted 9 workers on the site.

and I guess the fact that the RIU Palace went up in less han a year and is 5 times the size of Belaire doesn't say anything to you, or the fact that Penninsula Plaza and Condo towers (3 of them) were up and 2 were finished in less than 2 years. How can a "multi-million" dollar company have only 5 workers working? or we can use your number of 9? it makes no sense, they should have at least 20 - 50, don't you think? That is how things actually get accomplished. You think 5 or 9 people can build a hotel of more than 20 rooms?
 

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I haven't been on in a while because I have better things to do than to waste my time here but I will respond to your posting.

Great Dane:

Glad to see you wasting your time again responding to a posting here on TUGbbs. I guess that must be what we are all doing. Welcome to the club.

It is interesting to note the amount of time that Great Dane invests wasting his time respond to postings critical of Belaire. In fact, GD invests so much effort in doing so and attempts to be so thorough that it's clear GD doesn't really regard those efforts as a waste of time.

It's much the response I would expect of someone who has a vested interest in the resort, and not at all the response that would be expected of someone with a casual, passing involvement.
 

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I remember watching the Royal Resorts building the Mayan, Caribbean, Islander, and then the Sands. There were always so many laborers that from a distance they looked like ants crawling over the place.
At this rate, the Belaire won't be finished til about 2015.
 

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It is interesting to note the amount of time that Great Dane invests wasting his time respond to postings critical of Belaire. In fact, GD invests so much effort in doing so and attempts to be so thorough that it's clear GD doesn't really regard those efforts as a waste of time.

It's much the response I would expect of someone who has a vested interest in the resort, and not at all the response that would be expected of someone with a casual, passing involvement.

Just about as interesting as you spending time here making posts with no useful information whatsoever.
 

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Just about as interesting as you spending time here making posts with no useful information whatsoever.

I don't know if I am the one being responded to or if TROglodyte is the one being responded to. However, I am certain that my current post offers no useful information whatsoever. On the other hand, I have learned a great deal of information from the Cave Dweller on this thread and on many other threads as well.

Shakespeare's fictional Danish Prince Hamlet was a great procrastinator. It would appear that there has been a great deal of procrastination when it comes to building the Bellaire resort. I may be wrong but, Me thinks something is rotten in Denmark.
 

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Well, time will tell. Really, what the Mexican shills say is not the issue. Their vehemence in protecting this project says it all. The work that has been completed and the work that has not- is what speaks volumes. Anybody who bought there should be concerned. If the resort manages other issues the way it manages its construction then there is serious cause for alarm. Excuses only go so far- where are the results? :shrug: :shrug: :shrug:
 

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I have watched this post for 7 months and feel sorry for the people who invested $ and I hope when the dust [mud] settles they win and own a resort they can enjoy for many years. We will be in Nuevo for 3 weeks in December and are looking for a presentation challenge. Happy to take their money if they pay the $.
Good Luck to the investors.
Bill & Linda
 
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