[2008] Belaire Golf Resort and Spa

[Dave M]

I concur. I'm the moderator that initially closed this thread and did it only because of the constant violations of the TUG BBS "Be Courteous" Posting Rules.

Brian has reopened it, explaining that the rumor you heard (and which he heard) is false and setting stringent behavior conditions.

 

[TUGBrian]

because TUG was threatened by the Belaire's attorneys.

Can the Moderators confirm or refute this allegation? (which sounds kind of ludicrous to me).

Id be happy to, although I have already done so in my previous post

Its 100% false.

 

[Snappy Sam]

Thanks for the clarification again!

THanks for repeating your clarification Brian. I just missed it before but am glad to see that TUG is supportive of everyone. I think it is easy to become "discourteous" and even aggressive in comments when a person feels deceived and taken for a lot of money. It's great to have a place to "vent" but I don't think that adds any new information and only feeds in to the possibilty of loosing a thread that provides a great deal of information for everyone. So many folks have benefited and need a place to find answers to their doubts. And this is the place!

 

[Great Dane]

Stop telling lies about Belaire

albeit two years late.

Well, since the post has been reopened I now have the opportunity to provide more facts.

First, I find it quite appauling that some of my earlier posts prior to the closing of this thread were completely removed. That definitely shows that this thread is not an unbiased source of information to those who may think and use TUG as a means for obtaining truthful facts.

So, I will reiterate what I said before in response to the post about Belaire being two years late. Belaire has not even been around for two years so it cannot be two years late. Again, this is another complete lie posted on this thread to try to give Belaire an undeserving bad image. As was discussed in an earlier post, the expectation was completion in September of 2008. Therefore, it will probably be about 6 - 8 months behind the orginal schedule.

 

[Karen G]

. . . I now have the opportunity to provide more facts.. . . the expectation was completion in September of 2008. Therefore, it will probably be about 6 - 8 months behind the orginal schedule.

So are you saying that the project will be up and running and open for business in May, 2009?

 

[TUGBrian]

Well, since the post has been reopened I now have the opportunity to provide more facts.

First, I find it quite appauling that some of my earlier posts prior to the closing of this thread were completely removed. That definitely shows that this thread is not an unbiased source of information to those who may think and use TUG as a means for obtaining truthful facts.

and as stated in the private messages you are sending as well....I have explained the situation...its obvious you either did not read the rules you agreed to upon registering here, or did read them and choose to ignore them...even after repeated warnings from moderators and admin staff.

This results in your entire posts being removed. I dont know how to make it any more clear than that.

There were also many other posts removed for similar violations, so playing the "you are singling me out" card is absurd.

 

[Snappy Sam]

Thank You Brian

Thank you for eliminating the discoureous postings so that the thread stays up and isn't closed altogether. No one wants that to happen as this thread can save folks thousands of dollars (it did for us) and we are very, very greatful.

 

[wediditinvallarta]

Belaire

My wife and I have been owners with Belaire for over 4 months and we feel very comfortable with the progress there. We have already booked our our weeks for the Marriot there in Vallarta for our next vacation.
I suggest you see it yourself. If you dont trust it dont buy into it. Why risk trying to cancel later.

And it sounds like many of you have no idea about the 3 month rainy season there that can delay contruction. I know delay sucks but Belaire will be open in 2009

 

[Blondie]

Another guest posting. I find it odd that only the "guests" here on Tug are happy with Bellaire. Hmmm.

 

[Scuba2]

I just returned from PV 9/30/2008. I visited the Belaire several times while I was there to view the construction. The construction being shown on their website is actually taking place. I spoke with several people at the Belaire and was told that May 2009 is the new target date for completion.

 

[mlsmn]

Not only are these posters guests

they have few posts and don't join TUG

real cute

 

[Blondie]

Not only are these posters guests

they have few posts and don't join TUG

real cute

Odd that for guests these folks sure know alot about the "Bellaire" goings on here at Tug. This must be some sort of record of new guest posters in one thread??

 

[brucecz]

Odd that for guests these folks sure know alot about the "Bellaire" goings on here at Tug. This must be some sort of record of new guest posters in one thread??

A quite a few others and I noted and posted about that same tend on the first 2 Belaire strings and about that same tend again on this thrid Belaire string.

Bruce

 

[mterra]

When I first found this site I logged in and posted as a guest. I wanted to check it out and see what it was all about. I have since become a member. I became a member because of all the knowledge and info people have from their experiences, etc. I am not as knowledgeable as others, so I may pipe in sometimes, but probably not have the number of posts as others. I would also like to be able to ask questions, as I have, and get honest feedback. I believe I have gotten honest feedback so far, even if there is disagreement of opinion.

I am an owner at Belaire and actually found this site after coming home, googling Belaire. I was extremely concerned when I first found the site and started reading from the beginning. I can understand those who purchased a year or so ago and saw nothing happen. I would be irate and bad mouthing them to anyone and everyone every chance I had. However, since the time that I bought (August) I have seen progress. I am obsessed and look on the site a few times a day. I do not know anything about the construction business and all of its problems and delays. Maybe I am too naive and gullable/trusting because I beileve people. I have also called and emailed them and have talked with someone at the time or gotten an email response back.

So, here I am in Alaska, watching, waiting, calling and emailing as I can. We even thought of going down in Nov, thanksgiving time--flights are kinda pricey. Hanging in there...

Mary

 

[Karen G]

When I first found this site I logged in and posted as a guest. I wanted to check it out and see what it was all about. I have since become a member. . . .I am an owner at Belaire and actually found this site after coming home, googling Belaire.
Mary

Mary, we're happy to have you as a member of TUG. Hope things will eventually work out satisfactorily for you at Belaire.

 

[Scuba2]

Odd that for guests these folks sure know alot about the "Bellaire" goings on here at Tug. This must be some sort of record of new guest posters in one thread??

Sorry you question my motives. I bought into the Belaire in Jan 2007. I know a lot about the goings on because I have read TUG for a long time but had no information to post. When I read so many quotes questioning the validity of the cameras I thought I'd verify that what the cameras show is accurate. I keep reading where people visiting PV are asked to report on what they see. I didn't say I was happy with the progress or praise the Belaire. Just an objective view of what I saw on my vacation. I guess if it doesn't rip into the Belaire you are not interested.

 

[Blondie]

Sorry you question my motives. I bought into the Belaire in Jan 2007. I know a lot about the goings on because I have read TUG for a long time but had no information to post. When I read so many quotes questioning the validity of the cameras I thought I'd verify that what the cameras show is accurate. I keep reading where people visiting PV are asked to report on what they see. I didn't say I was happy with the progress or praise the Belaire. Just an objective view of what I saw on my vacation. I guess if it doesn't rip into the Belaire you are not interested.

Not at all. I am just suspicious by nature and some of these posts are clearly shills. Good luck...

 

[Snappy Sam]

Registry Collection a real loss

Unfortunately for anyone who hoped to have access to the Registry Collection as a Belaire owner, that is no longer a possibility. After speaking with their representatives we learned that they were not getting the information updates they requested from Belaire.
Thast was confirmed by Jonathan Thomasello in his letter to the Belaire Owners which I previously posted.

 

[pianodinosaur]

Guests and TUGBBS

I was a guest on TUGBBS prior to joining TUG. I am under the impression that guests and TUG members are treated equally in this forum. The reason I joined TUG is that the information provided by other Tuggers has proven very valuable. This website is expensive to maintain and I wanted to contribute my fair share and have access to the reviews.

The quality of this forum is largely due to the moderators. I have had only one post censored because I posted a political joke. I knew it was a political joke and the moderator felt it was too political for the standards set in the TUG lounge. The moderator followed the rules and I learned the limits of this forum.

Just because someone is a guest does not mean that they will not join in the future. I am looking forward to meeting other TUGGERs in person and I will continue to encourage people to visit this website as a guest to see if they find it useful and to find out if they want to join as well.

 

[Great Dane]

Registry Collection

Unfortunately for anyone who hoped to have access to the Registry Collection as a Belaire owner, that is no longer a possibility. After speaking with their representatives we learned that they were not getting the information updates they requested from Belaire.
Thast was confirmed by Jonathan Thomasello in his letter to the Belaire Owners which I previously posted.

I would appreciate if you wouldn't twist the facts. To reiterate what Belaire has indicated "that they have applied and paid their dues to The Registry Collection and will still become and affiliate when it has the construction completed." So your statement above is not at all correct. In addition, Belaire has indicated that in the interim they have purchased inventory and weeks for members use. So, what you have posted is completely false. If you are an active member you can confirm this with Belaire member services and the travel group.

 

[marvic]

Closing Costs & $400 cash gift

Hello, I am new to TUG and so glad that I found this site. We are in PV on vacation and were sold into Belaire 2 days ago. It didn't feel right from the start and the more we discussed it after the transaction the worse we felt. We were sold a Diamond Executive Suite with a trade of our current Wyndham Timeshare, several credit cards and a promissory note all totalling about $33K.
When I googled Antonio Copela's name, I found this site. Thankfully, we were still within our 5 Day recission period and were able to cancel and get everything refunded. Not too say this was at all easy....
First of all, it is confirmed that Profeco is indeed closed in PV. We took a cab and found this out personally. But again, thanks to this site, we had already written our letter of cancellation, made all the necessary copies and mailed certified copies. According to the instructions in our contract, we went back to Belaire and delivered our letter of canellation personally and then were made to wait around for 4 hours while our salesperson and Antonio tried to pursuade us to change our minds. Yes, another confirmation is that they will call you stupid, and try to make you feel like you are making the biggest mistake of your life.

I also bought at Belaire in June, 2008. When I returned to the states, I did some research and decided to rescind my contract. I was within the five business day window. I sent a certified letter to Belaire and never heard from them. I also talked to Marcos Vasquez and advised him that I was cancelling. I advised the credit card company (Chase) of what I had done and that I was disputing the respective charge. Now (in October, 2008) Chase is asking for additional information such as a copy of the contract. My contract states that if I cancel the contract, I am still liable for the $1700 in closing costs and the return of the $400 cash gift I received. Did your contract include those two conditions? If it did, were you "forced" to forfeit that amount? Meaning - were you still charged that amount by the credit card company?

 

[Karen G]

My contract states that if I cancel the contract, I am still liable for the $1700 in closing costs and the return of the $400 cash gift I received.

The wording of Belaire's contract is absurd. If the contract is rescinded within the timeframe stated, there are no "closing costs." What on earth would they be "closing." The contractual agreement doesn't exist any more once it has been rescinded.

Also, asking for return of the $400 "gift" is also absurd. By the very nature of the word "gift," ownership of that $400 was transferred to you when you received it in exchange for your valuable time that you gave them to sit and listen to their presentation. I assume someone invited you to attend a "no obligation" presentation in exchange for the gift of $400. That's yours. You upheld your end of the deal by showing up.

Stand your ground with your credit card company and point out the absurdities of the wording in the contract. You've got proof that you sent a certified letter within the specified time frame.

Another tugger, Snappy Sam, was successful in rescinding his contract with Belaire by rescinding within the time period allowed by Mexican law. I believe his contract had the same wording and, of course, that wording makes no sense. Get Profeco involved if your credit card company gives you any trouble in cancelling the charges.

 

[Snappy Sam]

Karen is right

Stand your ground with your credit card company and point out the absurdities of the wording in the contract. You've got proof that you sent a certified letter within the specified time frame.

Another tugger, Snappy Sam, was successful in rescinding his contract with Belaire by rescinding within the time period allowed by Mexican law. I believe his contract had the same wording and, of course, that wording makes no sense. Get Profeco involved if your credit card company gives you any trouble in cancelling the charges.

Karen is correct. We apparently had the same contract that you were given. Our credit card was Capital One and we received the full amount including the $1700 "closing charge". We were asked at the Belaire to return the $400 cash and gave them almost the same reasoning that Karen shared with you. We gave them NOTHING and Antonio Copella finally said that unlike us who gave them a credit card payment that Belaire honors their commitments and their word and would not take our $400 back which of course he couldn't because we never agreed to return it! :hysterical:
If you scroll though this thread you will find what we submitted to get a full refund.

 

[Snappy Sam]

I would appreciate if you wouldn't twist the facts. To reiterate what Belaire has indicated "that they have applied and paid their dues to The Registry Collection and will still become and affiliate when it has the construction completed." So your statement above is not at all correct. In addition, Belaire has indicated that in the interim they have purchased inventory and weeks for members use. So, what you have posted is completely false. If you are an active member you can confirm this with Belaire member services and the travel group.

Look at the section from the letter that was sent by Jonathan to the members concerning the Registry Collection. The complete letter is my post #292. I don't see where it says they will still become and affiliate when when it has the construction completed" as you've stated.

 

[Enrico]

Article from Street Talk re: PROFECO in Puerto Vallarta: http://streettalkblog.com/?cat=28 2nd one down in the archive, date October 3rd