You're Being Lied to About Electric Cars

[Brett]

Hybrid or ICE, all cars now have this "feature"

yes --- but the hybrid car doesn't "turn off" when stopped or idling

 

[DrQ]

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[youppi]

For those interested in real world EV experiences, today I’m using my new Ford Lightning to tow/haul 5000lbs just over 200kms. The trailer did bring my range down significantly (around 35%).

Interesting takeaways for me were that aerodynamics appear to be more of a factor than weight as my unloaded trailer only got marginally better range than when I was loaded up. Only variable was that I started out with a cold battery as I didn’t precondition so maybe that had something to do with it.

We now have time of use billing from our electrical provider so this trip comes in at around $6 in power. My previous pickup, a Ram 3500 Diesel Cummins, would have been over $60 for the trip.

Definitely the Lightning isn’t as capable towing heavy as the HD Ram was, but for a medium duty job like this the Lightning was great. Only a bit of range anxiety starting out since it was my first time towing with it.

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What was the energy consumption when you tow in kWh/100km and also when you are unloaded ?

 

[Brett]

7 Top SUVs Without Auto Start-Stop (With Pictures) - Engine Patrol

Engine auto start-stop is a hot topic for many car owners and manufacturers. It is designed to automatically shut off the engine when the car comes to a stop and idles for more than a few seconds. While some regard […]

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Probably all the older ICE vehicles now have this feature

But hybrid cars are all electric when stopped / idling (and starting) and are still "on"

(I used to have a 2021 Honda CRV and 2021 Toyota /Highlander with the auto idle stop feature back in the old pre-hybrid days)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Start-stop_system

 

[easyrider]

Because you were replying to a comment about Hertz, but the company doesn't matter. Phoenix has a huge shared lot and no way they ran out of ICE vehicles in early November. Neither your friend nor you were forced to take the vehicle you "ended up with."
Nearly every if not all autostart cars have a button to turn the feature off. Very simple. Also, almost all decent models of any recent vintage have some form of LKA, "autosteer", lane departure, etc. Again, easily turned off with a button press. None of these features have anything to do with ICE vs. non-ICE, so not sure why you brought it up in this thread.

Still, your opinions are far astray from fact and reality.

Dave, I really think you don't know what you are talking about and of course you want to weigh in with your thoughts that you actually know what anyone thinks or should think. Here is another FB report from a different friend on the same trip.

Why would anyone in their right mind want to rent an EV while on a trip. Have you considered the fact that when you rent a car you probably aren't going to research how to disable features ? Nothing you said makes me like this feature. I brought it up because it's something I didn't like about the hybrid we rented and I can care less what you think about it. So there, lol.

Bill

So landed in AZ Thursday / sky harbor / went to Avis for my preordered car which was supposed to be a Toyota Camry

right ? F**k No / I got a Hyundai ionic 5 electric car. It’s cool cuz usually Avis is a *bleep* show and at least I got a car which usually is not the case / never use Avis . So fast forward we are down to 50% on the battery , you think there is a charging station around here for an ionic 5 ohhhhHELL NO . So we had to go 15 miles to a windco store that had these EV GO charge station . - and the damned thing don’t work , dude next to me was charging his EV mustang . Anyway had to call a number join this stupid EV GO deal for 60 bucks then they will charge it. As I was about to turn it on the dude I was talking to hung up , “bad connection to Bangladesh I’m assuming” and dude next to me had his car charging process stopped by hodgy the magic carpet rider / what a *bleep* show / then had to go thru the entire process again and was on the phone for 30 minutes and finally it was charging for another 30 minutes . All the while I’m apologetic to the dude in the mustang Who in there right mind wants one of these F$(;ing things , not my internal combustion Engine ass ! Give me my gas powered Chevy ford or whatever!

Drop !!!

 

[easyrider]

Probably all the older ICE vehicles now have this feature

But hybrid cars are all electric when stopped / idling (and starting) and are still "on"

(I used to have a 2021 Honda CRV and 2021 Toyota /Highlander with the auto idle stop feature back in the old pre-hybrid days)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Start-stop_system

When the Honda turned the engine off when I stopped at a traffic signal entering the freeway from the airport I thought it died and pushed the button to start it. It didn't seem to start but I think it was running on the battery. It really wasn't the best time to figure crap out. If it were my own vehicle I would have taken the time to figure it out but it was a rental and my first time out with a hybrid. I really didn't like it at all.

Bill

 

[Chrispee]

What was the energy consumption when you tow in kWh/100km and also when you are unloaded ?

Unloaded I was averaging just under 30kwh per 100kms. Unfortunately when I left at 6am this morning I didn’t have the wherewithal to reset the trip computer so I don’t have my towing data. I’m home now so I can confirm I used 85kwh to go 205kms . So approximately 41kwh per 100kms.

Exactly half of the trip was hailing 5000lbs and the other half was just hauling my 1000lbs empty trailer. A little frivolous energy consumption included in the total because my trip involved 3 hours of sitting with the heat on while I was on a ferry.

 

[Brett]

When the Honda turned the engine off when I stopped at a traffic signal entering the freeway from the airport I thought it died and pushed the button to start it. It didn't seem to start but I think it was running on the battery. It really wasn't the best time to figure crap out. If it were my own vehicle I would have taken the time to figure it out but it was a rental and my first time out with a hybrid. I really didn't like it at all.

Bill

But it wasn't a hybrid !

You got confused (again!) Bill

With hybrids one doesn't notice the engine turning off (or on) - mostly likely this is when you first encountered a gas car with the idle stop feature and thought it was a "hybrid"