You're Being Lied to About Electric Cars

[Beefnot]

What does this mean?

To sell EVs, a Chevrolet Dealership must have:

• The equipment to service the model of EV
• Mechanics who are trained to service EVs

These mechanics don't service EVs "full time" because there isn't the demand, but they work "full time" on other vehicles. I have NEVER had to wait to have them "call in" an EV "specialist". I have had to wait because there is a backlog for ALL vehicles in the shop.

Also, in 2022, GM has been quietly becoming a second source of Tesla qualified repairs.

I will say that my Ioniq has been in the shop three times in the last month or so, inlcuding the last 2 weeks straight, because their EV mechanic(s) don't know what the hell they are doing in my opinion. My car had been running like a top until the "add coolant" light came on, and the coolant level was indeed low when popping the hood. I took it in for what I thought was just them to refill the coolant (it must be professionally done), but in actuality it required a coolant flush service which I paid for. It's been a nightmare since. They car came back making some loud buzzing noise, the A/C stopped blowing cold air, and at one point the coolant level was way overfilled. Granted, even ICE vehicles can have issues that require extended stays in the shop, although the responses I've received regarding the tech having to consult with Hyundai engineers has made me wonder just how trained my local Hyundai dealership service department is with EVs presently.

 

[buzglyd]

The depreciation of used ev's, especially Tesla's, has us really considering buying one. Our problem is there isn't anywhere nearby to take a Tesla for repair. Supposedly, VW and Chevy dealers can work on their ev's but neither have a full time EV mechanic is what I heard.

I'm also not convinced that EV's are going to be as relevant as ice manufacturers and oil companies are relieved from Federal restrictions.

For us, A Toyota hybrid makes sense because our Toyota dealer works on these but because it's a Toyota, they aren't really depreciating much.

Bill

In SoCal Tesla dealers are about as common and Starbucks so we’ll be good.

 

[Beefnot]

In SoCal Tesla dealers are about as common and Starbucks so we’ll be good.

Definitely not as plentiful as Starbucks, but there seems to be halfway decent coverage in SoCal.

https://www.tesla.com/findus/list/services/United+States

 

[DrQ]

I will say that my Ioniq has been in the shop three times in the last month or so, inlcuding the last 2 weeks straight, because their EV mechanic(s) don't know what the hell they are doing in my opinion.

I can't speak for LA, but in Dallas, there are good dealers and marginal dealers. What is the provenance of your dealership?

I would proceed along the following paths:

1. Research dealerships (not Google, Yelp ...) and find one that has a great service department
2. Contact Hyundai Customer Care to see if they can resolve the issue by sending out a regional engineer to diagnose the problem

It's important to find a dealership that has a trusted relationship with the factory to get prompt action from the factory. You may need to talk with other mechanics (maybe some independent) as to which dealerships have the highest quality service.

 

[Beefnot]

I can't speak for LA, but in Dallas, there are good dealers and marginal dealers. What is the provenance of your dealership?

I would proceed along the following paths:

1. Research dealerships (not Google, Yelp ...) and find one that has a great service department
2. Contact Hyundai Customer Care to see if they can resolve the issue by sending out a regional engineer to diagnose the problem

It's important to find a dealership that has a trusted relationship with the factory to get prompt action from the factory. You may need to talk with other mechanics (maybe some independent) as to which dealerships have the highest quality service.

Thanks, it is our only Hyundai dealership within 15 miles of where I live here, and some part that they supposedly need will arrive today or tomorrow. If things go sideways again, then I will be taking escalated measures.

 

[Ken555]

This is hands down one of the best features on any EV. It recovers otherwise wasted energy back into the battery pack. It also never uses the resistance braking system. On most Tesla vehicles you cannot disable regenerative braking, and on the newer Tesla vehicles, even when you use the brake pedal, it’s actually still using the regenerative braking and will only use resistance braking when needed. Many Tesla vehicles that have very high mileage are still on the original rotors and pads due to automatic regenerative braking since the resistance braking system is hardly ever used.


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I asked Claude if the VW ID.4 has regenerative braking, and its response was:

Yes, the VW ID.4 does have regenerative braking. It features multiple levels of regenerative braking that you can adjust, allowing you to customize how much energy is recovered when you lift off the accelerator or brake.

The ID.4 offers different regeneration modes through paddle shifters behind the steering wheel, letting you increase or decrease the regenerative braking intensity. At higher settings, you can achieve nearly one-pedal driving where the car slows down significantly just by lifting off the accelerator. This system helps extend the vehicle’s electric range by converting kinetic energy back into stored battery power.

VW press release about this: https://media.vw.com/en-us/releases/1455

 

[DrQ]

Thanks, it is our only Hyundai dealership within 15 miles of where I live here, and some part that they supposedly need will arrive today or tomorrow. If things go sideways again, then I will be taking escalated measures.

Sometimes close is not the best qualifier for a dealership. Somebody has to live close to a crummy dealership that makes their profit off a one time sale. I'm not saying that you dealership is of that ilk, but it's something to consider.

The dealer from which I bought my Bolt EV is not the closest, but is highly respected in the community.

 

[HitchHiker71]

The depreciation of used ev's, especially Tesla's, has us really considering buying one. Our problem is there isn't anywhere nearby to take a Tesla for repair. Supposedly, VW and Chevy dealers can work on their ev's but neither have a full time EV mechanic is what I heard.

I'm also not convinced that EV's are going to be as relevant as ice manufacturers and oil companies are relieved from Federal restrictions.

For us, A Toyota hybrid makes sense because our Toyota dealer works on these but because it's a Toyota, they aren't really depreciating much.

Bill

Tesla has mobile service available everywhere in the US. You don't need to be near a service center. We do have a service center about 25 minutes away from our house - but have only ever been there once right after we purchased our 2023 (since traded up to a 2026) MY LR for a minor paint touchup. If a service center isn't in your area - when you create a service ticket in the app - it will default to Tesla mobile service. There are some limits to what mobile service can do, such as no bodywork from accident damage - but chances are there's a Tesla certified third party dealer not far from you that can do bodywork if that is ever required.

 

[HitchHiker71]

What does this mean?

To sell EVs, a Chevrolet Dealership must have:

• The equipment to service the model of EV
• Mechanics who are trained to service EVs

These mechanics don't service EVs "full time" because there isn't the demand, but they work "full time" on other vehicles. I have NEVER had to wait to have them "call in" an EV "specialist". I have had to wait because there is a backlog for ALL vehicles in the shop.

Also, in 2022, GM has been quietly becoming a second source of Tesla qualified repairs.

Not all dealers are EV certified and can work on EVs - most of the manufacturers require certifications to sell and service their EVs. There typically has to be at least one EV certified mechanic at the dealer, if not more, as part of the EV manufacturer certification program.

 

[DrQ]

Not all dealers are EV certified and can work on EVs - most of the manufacturers require certifications to sell and service their EVs. There typically has to be at least one EV certified mechanic at the dealer, if not more, as part of the EV manufacturer certification program.

As I said:

To sell EVs ...

A rural Chevy dealership that sells mainly diesel trucks will probably not invest a multiple $100K to become EV certified. Same goes for Ford.

 

[youppi]

I asked Claude if the VW ID.4 has regenerative braking, and its response was:

Yes, the VW ID.4 does have regenerative braking. It features multiple levels of regenerative braking that you can adjust, allowing you to customize how much energy is recovered when you lift off the accelerator or brake.

The ID.4 offers different regeneration modes through paddle shifters behind the steering wheel, letting you increase or decrease the regenerative braking intensity. At higher settings, you can achieve nearly one-pedal driving where the car slows down significantly just by lifting off the accelerator. This system helps extend the vehicle’s electric range by converting kinetic energy back into stored battery power.

VW press release about this: https://media.vw.com/en-us/releases/1455

Exact. This is why I said the VW ID.4 doesn't have the one pedal driving. Nearly one pedal is not one pedal driving if you need to use the brake pedal to stop.

One pedal driving means, you use the accelerator pedal to accelerate, decelerate and also stop. You never use the brake pedal with one pedal driving except if you need to brake quickly for emergency.

Drive a VW ID.4 (on B mode) until you arrive at a red light, don't touch the brake pedal, just remove your foot from the accellerator and prepare for an accident because it will slow down but it will never stop. Do the same with a Tesla or a Chevy and the car will stop at the red light.

The one pedal driving use the regenerating braking feature to decelerate and stop normally and thus If you have an AWD, the 4 wheels will brake but if you have only a FWD or RWD, only 2 wheels will brake. My Bolt EUV is a FWD and in winter when there is snow on the road, I often remove the one pedal driving mode because the car becomes difficult to keep in straight line when it brakes with only the front wheel especially when you go down a hill.

Also, if the battery is full, the regenerating feature will not work and some car on the one pedal driving will not decelerate nor stop in this case and you will need to use the brake pedal. Some cars in this situation will apply the physical brake by itself to maintain the functionality of the one pedal driving.

 

[Ken555]

Exact. This is why I said the VW ID.4 doesn't have the one pedal driving. Nearly one pedal is not one pedal driving if you need to use the brake pedal to stop.

One pedal driving means, you use the accelerator pedal to accelerate, decelerate and also stop. You never use the brake pedal with one pedal driving except if you need to brake quickly for emergency.

Drive a VW ID.4 (on B mode) until you arrive at a red light, don't touch the brake pedal, just remove your foot from the accellerator and prepare for an accident because it will slow down but it will never stop. Do the same with a Tesla or a Chevy and the car will stop at the red light.

The one pedal driving use the regenerating braking feature to decelerate and stop normally and thus If you have an AWD, the 4 wheels will brake but if you have only a FWD or RWD, only 2 wheels will brake. My Bolt EUV is a FWD and in winter when there is snow on the road, I often remove the one pedal driving mode because the car becomes difficult to keep in straight line when it brakes with only the front wheel especially when you go down a hill.

Also, if the battery is full, the regenerating feature will not work and some car on the one pedal driving will not decelerate nor stop in this case and you will need to use the brake pedal. Some cars in this situation will apply the physical brake by itself to maintain the functionality of the one pedal driving.

Did you read the VW press release I linked? I believe the market is big enough for different solutions, and VW's approach seems to be their way of helping people unfamiliar with one-pedal driving to ease into EVs. I don't think anyone would expect an accident when driving one of these as you approach a red light, since the driver will clearly know they need to use the brake—in other words, it's more like their previous car, and there's no confusion. It seems to me you're creating an issue where none exists.

 

[easyrider]

Did you read the VW press release I linked? I believe the market is big enough for different solutions, and VW's approach seems to be their way of helping people unfamiliar with one-pedal driving to ease into EVs. I don't think anyone would expect an accident when driving one of these as you approach a red light, since the driver will clearly know they need to use the brake—in other words, it's more like their previous car, and there's no confusion. It seems to me you're creating an issue where none exists.

I checked out the VW offer in our area. It had something like a $3000 down at lease signing. I'm not sure VW is a brand that I trust. That goes for Audi and Porsche too. Regarding ev's, I'm thinking Tesla is the most reliable.

Bill

Reliability
The ID 4 came 13th out of 16 models in the electric SUV section of our 2024 What Car? Reliability Survey. The Model Y came top, the EV6 came fourth and the Enyaq came sixth.

 

[youppi]

Did you read the VW press release I linked? I believe the market is big enough for different solutions, and VW's approach seems to be their way of helping people unfamiliar with one-pedal driving to ease into EVs. I don't think anyone would expect an accident when driving one of these as you approach a red light, since the driver will clearly know they need to use the brake—in other words, it's more like their previous car, and there's no confusion. It seems to me you're creating an issue where none exists.

Yes I read it and I learn nothing because I already know that. I have a coworker that has a VW ID.4 and it's biggest grip is he can't drive with one pedal (he had a Bolt EV before).

I have an EV and an ICE car and each time I drive my ICE car, I complaint about having to use the brake pedal to slow down and stop.
My wife didn't want to use the one pedal feature at the beginning with our EV car because like you said, using 2 pedals is like driving her previous car but one day she decide to try the one pedal driving and now, she drives all the time with one pedal activated and no way she would return driving with 2 pedals all the time.

When you have a feature on your car that you like, rarely you will buy another car without this feature. Think about features you may appreciate like electrical door lock, electrical window, Air Conditioning, Cruise Control, heated seat/steering, keyless entry, panoramic sunroof, ...
I remember my first car (4 doors) with manual door lock, manual window, no A/C, ... and no way I would buy again a car like that today.

Maybe the one pedal driving is not a feature important for you but this feature is important for me and if this feature is important for others, it's important that they know the VW ID.4 doesn't have it before buying it and complaint after that like my coworker.

 

[Ken555]

Maybe the one pedal driving is not a feature important for you but this feature is important for me and if this feature is important for others, it's important that they know the VW ID.4 doesn't have it before buying it and complaint after that like my coworker.

I agree that it's important to know which features you desire in a product. I'm not partial to either one pedal or not yet…and open to understanding more. Nevertheless, there seems to be contrary views from the industry. VW, Porsche, and BMW aren't offering one pedal driving now, so what do the Germans know that others don't? In fact, BMW did offer it and then changed - why?

Ultimately, it seems not everyone shares your opinion on this feature.

A few older articles on this topic:

https://insideevs.com/news/465107/coasting-or-regenerating-vw-id4-prefers-first/

This article was written with you in mind:

Talk to any electric car driver, and he will tell you how he loves one-pedal driving. If a given electric car does not offer that capability, it will probably be criticized for that.

https://www.roadandtrack.com/car-culture/a42268449/one-pedal-driving-isnt-necessarily-the-most-efficient-way-of-driving-an-ev/

If there's any conclusion to be drawn here, it's perhaps that you don't need to worry so much about one-pedal driving. It's a neat feature, and you may simply prefer this novel way of controlling your car, but if you don't like it, chances are you're not leaving a lot, if any, extra range on the table. I would argue the best solution is just to drive how you like, and let hypermilers worry about how to find tiny efficiency gains. Thankfully, most EVs offer a range (no pun intended) of regen options. It's really just Porsche and Tesla that are very specific in their philosophies.

Regenerative Braking vs. Coasting: Volkswagen ID.4 Gets It Right - CleanTechnica

A few days ago, Volkswagen let us know how the braking system operates on its upcoming ID.4 crossover. Unlike many EVs, the company optimizes for coasting instead of regenerative braking. When used properly by the driver, this maximizes range. Of course, the system also allows the driver to...

cleantechnica.com

If you are an efficient driver who doesn’t have your car at the brake shop very often, Volkswagen’s approach will work well for you. You’re already coasting a lot more than other drivers, and that will work well for you in the “D” mode on the ID.4. You’ll keep doing what works, and the car is ready to accommodate that.

A few more recent articles:

Does single-pedal driving actually extend EV range? It’s complicated

Single-pedal driving has become much more popular with the rise of EVs. But does using it actually extend range? Turns out, it's complicated.

www.digitaltrends.com

Basically, in stop-and-go traffic and most city driving, stick to using the highest level of regen braking that you can stomach, and disable it when you’re driving on long stretches of the highway and could benefit from the ability to coast. That will allow you to take full advantage of the energy recapturing tech on offer by the car, along with the added convenience of only using a single pedal — while ensuring that on long highway stretches you don’t have to be quite as proactive about the positioning of your foot on the pedal.

How do you drive an electric car with one pedal?

One-pedal driving can make journeys easier and boost your electric car’s range. We explain the technique and the technology.

www.motoringelectric.com

One-pedal driving in EVs isn't efficient, says Porsche

Porsche argues that one-pedal driving involves energy losses both when decelerating and accelerating, so it's better to coast.

www.greencarreports.com

The argument is essentially that one-pedal driving involves energy losses both when decelerating and accelerating. So, in the Porsche engineering department's view, it's better to allow the car to continue coasting after the driver removes their foot from the accelerator pedal, and add regenerative braking only when it's actually time to decelerate.

Regarding BMW:

2024 BMW i4 review

The BMW i4 eDrive35 has been brought to life in a bid to qualify for Federal subsidies, but it's more than a box-ticking exercise.

www.carexpert.com.au

This is the first electric car I’ve driven where the adaptive regenerative braking really worked.

It uses the front-facing radar to maintain a gap to the car in front in traffic using the regenerative braking – which harvests energy usually lost during braking back into the battery by using the electric motor as a dynamo – allowing drivers to barely touch the brake pedal.

2024 BMW i4 xDrive40 Review: Balanced Bimmer

We had to make sure about the 2024 BMW i4 xDrive40.When I first drove this latest version of BMW’s most approachable current electric model, I dubbed it “ best version of the best small EV luxury four-door out there.” That was in the prepped and manicured confines of a BMW-hosted test event in...

www.autoguide.com

 

[DrQ]

"It uses the front-facing radar to maintain a gap to the car in front in traffic using the regenerative braking"

As I said before, the BOLT EV (IDK about the EUV) is a simple design without adaptive cruise control. If you want that feature, buy the Cadillac Lyric. I prefer the KISS approach to design.

My ICE Genesis will do the same thing, but I prefer the "Stop/Hold" setting which keeps the car stopped until I press the accelerator. I don't like using cruise control in town.

 

[DrQ]

I agree that it's important to know which features you desire in a product. I'm not partial to either one pedal or not yet…and open to understanding more. Nevertheless, there seems to be contrary views from the industry. VW, Porsche, and BMW aren't offering one pedal driving now, so what do the Germans know that others don't? In fact, BMW did offer it and then changed - why?

Ultimately, it seems not everyone shares your opinion on this feature.

Your cited article:

One-pedal driving in EVs isn't efficient, says Porsche

Porsche argues that one-pedal driving involves energy losses both when decelerating and accelerating, so it's better to coast.

www.greencarreports.com

Is probably "technically" correct, hypermilers have been using the coasting technique for years, BUT it is EXTREMELY frustrating to other drivers in mixed flow traffic. Regenerative braking is a compromise which captures some of the energy used to stop the vehicle and store it. This allows the vehicle to travel normally in traffic without impeding the flow of traffic for long accelerations and decelerations.

Also adaptive cruise control doesn't do diddle when you are at the front of the line at a stop light.

 

[PcflEZFlng]

I'm still driving my 2007 Hyundai Sonata, with 140K miles on it. It has paid for itself many times over. Though I've loved the car, it's been without AC for the past 3 years and it's time to move on. DW drives a 2015 Honda Accord and it still looks and drives like it's brand new. I'm thinking of replacing my car with a relatively inexpensive 'post-depreciation' EV, such as a 2022 or 2023 Bolt. I'm not willing to spend more on an EV at this time because of the rapid evolution of the technology, especially the possibility for battery technology. I'm thinking that after I've had the car for say, 3 years, to re-evaluate and see what the EV space looks like then.

 

[easyrider]

I'm not willing to spend more on an EV at this time because of the rapid evolution of the technology, especially the possibility for battery technology.

I think I'm where you are on my thoughts about ev's. Another thing about ev's are they depreciate so fast I'm not likely to buy a new one. Even then I'm not sure if a used one would be a good deal because of the perception ev's are junk after so many years.

Bill

 

[youppi]

"It uses the front-facing radar to maintain a gap to the car in front in traffic using the regenerative braking"

As I said before, the BOLT EV (IDK about the EUV) is a simple design without adaptive cruise control. If you want that feature, buy the Cadillac Lyric. I prefer the KISS approach to design.

My ICE Genesis will do the same thing, but I prefer the "Stop/Hold" setting which keeps the car stopped until I press the accelerator. I don't like using cruise control in town.

The Bolt EUV Premier has the 2 types of cruise control. It's selectable between the Adaptative Cruise Control and the standard cruise control.

I tried the adaptative cruise control on many car I rented in vacations and also on my Bolt EUV and I don't like this feature especialy on my Bolt EUV because it uses the regenerating braking and not the physical brake to slow down. So, when you are cruising on the highway and somebody passes you and moves in front of you too close, the system brake very hard to keep the gap set with only the front wheel because the Bolt is a FWD and this destabilize the car momentaly and depending of the road condition, it could be very dangerous.

Also when you are on the highway and you close the gap with the car in front of you, if you do not move to the other lane far in advance, your car will slow down to keep the gap with the car in front of you (there are 3 selectable distances on the Bold EUV and even the closest gap is too far for my taste) and if you move to the other lane after that, your car will reaccelerate quickly to return to the setting speed. So, I prefer a standard cruise control to keep driving all the time at the same speed.

In traffic, I don't think driving with an adaptive cruise control is a good idea because the gap the car keep with the car in front of it is too big and there is always somebody that will move in the gap and automatically your car will brake to recover the gap with the new car in front of you.

In traffic, I prefer diving closer with the car in front of me to avoid somebody entering in between. Also, in traffic, I prefer keeping the control on the accelerator.

 

[DrQ]

The Bolt EUV Premier has the 2 types of cruise control. It's selectable between the Adaptative Cruise Control and the standard cruise control.

I did a deeper dive and it looks as if ACC was added to the Chevy Bolts options in 2023. Up until then, they had a distance measuring feature, which was pretty useless (I've never used it on my Bolt EV)

 

[HitchHiker71]

I think I'm where you are on my thoughts about ev's. Another thing about ev's are they depreciate so fast I'm not likely to buy a new one. Even then I'm not sure if a used one would be a good deal because of the perception ev's are junk after so many years.

Bill

The general guidance I give for folks in your boat is either buy used, or lease new. Leasing protects the downside risks of depreciation provided the lease money factor and numbers make sense. The only reason we purchased our new MY is because of the 0.99% promotional rate.


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[HitchHiker71]

The Bolt EUV Premier has the 2 types of cruise control. It's selectable between the Adaptative Cruise Control and the standard cruise control.

I tried the adaptative cruise control on many car I rented in vacations and also on my Bolt EUV and I don't like this feature especialy on my Bolt EUV because it uses the regenerating braking and not the physical brake to slow down. So, when you are cruising on the highway and somebody passes you and moves in front of you too close, the system brake very hard to keep the gap set with only the front wheel because the Bolt is a FWD and this destabilize the car momentaly and depending of the road condition, it could be very dangerous.

Also when you are on the highway and you close the gap with the car in front of you, if you do not move to the other lane far in advance, your car will slow down to keep the gap with the car in front of you (there are 3 selectable distances on the Bold EUV and even the closest gap is too far for my taste) and if you move to the other lane after that, your car will reaccelerate quickly to return to the setting speed. So, I prefer a standard cruise control to keep driving all the time at the same speed.

In traffic, I don't think driving with an adaptive cruise control is a good idea because the gap the car keep with the car in front of it is too big and there is always somebody that will move in the gap and automatically your car will brake to recover the gap with the new car in front of you.

In traffic, I prefer diving closer with the car in front of me to avoid somebody entering in between. Also, in traffic, I prefer keeping the control on the accelerator.

If any of you haven’t actually gone and test driven a Tesla with FSD, seriously, go do this. FSD is so far beyond any TACC it’s not even funny. My wife uses FSD every day to drive her back and forth to work nowadays - it is that good. It really is not far off from real unsupervised driving. I’d guess either late this year or sometime next year at the latest for release of FSD Unsupervised. Austin and Palo Alto already have Robotaxi’s deployed in testing using FSD Unsupervised. For now (just like with Waymo in new markets) since it’s new they have safety monitors in the vehicles sitting in the passenger seat, but later this year the safety monitors will be removed. The entire Tesla AI4 fleet is supposed to receive the same FSD version the robotaxi MY’s are using in August timeframe. Exciting times.


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[Brett]

If any of you haven’t actually gone and test driven a Tesla with FSD, seriously, go do this. FSD is so far beyond any TACC it’s not even funny. My wife uses FSD every day to drive her back and forth to work nowadays - it is that good. It really is not far off from real unsupervised driving. I’d guess either late this year or sometime next year at the latest for release of FSD Unsupervised. Austin and Palo Alto already have Robotaxi’s deployed in testing using FSD Unsupervised. For now (just like with Waymo in new markets) since it’s new they have safety monitors in the vehicles sitting in the passenger seat, but later this year the safety monitors will be removed. The entire Tesla AI4 fleet is supposed to receive the same FSD version the robotaxi MY’s are using in August timeframe. Exciting times.

Exciting times indeed. Some people even claim that China's BYD autos are better with "Self driving mode" than Tesla (and much cheaper)

But you'd have to go to Mexico to drive a Chinese car

https://www.nytimes.com/2025/07/08/opinion/byd-china-car-ev.html

 

[HitchHiker71]

Exciting times indeed. Some people even claim that China's BYD autos are better with "Self driving mode" than Tesla (and much cheaper)

But you'd have to go to Mexico to drive a Chinese car

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Even if they eventually come here - it won't be much cheaper due to tariffs. Most of the EU is similar, and the cheap $10k Yugo equivalent models (similar to a Smart car) with a range of only 100-125 miles won't fly here in the US with all of our focus on range anxiety. In the UK, the Tesla Model 3 has a lower starting price (£39,990) than the BYD Seal (£45,695), though the dual-motor versions are closer in price (£49,990 for Model 3 Long Range AWD vs. £48,695 for Seal Excellent AWD). The BYD Seal is the equivalent model to the Tesla M3 for those who aren't aware.