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Vistana to Abound Point Conversion Tracker

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I guess the point value to MF is what it is. It isn’t really like it helps me or anyone else in the long run since new resale purchase can’t be enrolled in Abound without forking over a bunch of developer dollars, which then negates the savings on lower MF/CP ratios
 

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Have not received the final 2023 maintenance bill yet, but using the proposed number for 2023 is an eye-opening...

2 BR WSJ VGV Townhouse Fixed Week 20 ($3407(est)/3525CP) = $0.967/CP (148,100 Star Options).

I really think Marriott messed up on how they assigned CP for certain platinum WSJ Fixed weeks so they will not be getting many of those deposited into Abound, but maybe they don't really want them for some reason.
 

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I guess the point value to MF is what it is. It isn’t really like it helps me or anyone else in the long run since new resale purchase can’t be enrolled in Abound without forking over a bunch of developer dollars, which then negates the savings on lower MF/CP ratios

It is interesting to me.
It gives a inter-resort comparison to what the consensus CP value is pegged at, and how MVC values them for potential Abound usage.

It certainly is not aligned with MF/SO.


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Have not received the final 2023 maintenance bill yet, but using the proposed number for 2023 is an eye-opening...

2 BR WSJ VGV Townhouse Fixed Week 20 ($3407(est)/3525CP) = $0.967/CP (148,100 Star Options).

I really think Marriott messed up on how they assigned CP for certain platinum WSJ Fixed weeks so they will not be getting many of those deposited into Abound, but maybe they don't really want them for some reason.

That’s a crazy increase in MF.
And the BS USVI fee ($25/nt) and Property Tax (that they are trying to jack up for Timeshares).

Glad we dropped ours.


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I have a feeling we will be doing the same soon as well. We were waiting to see what the Abound outcome was and if the access to the Marriott resorts would be worth the higher maintenance fee, but the ultimate ratio given is the worst I have seen so far.
 

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I have started to create a conversion tracker to keep track of the amount of points allocaetd to each VOI. I know everything right now is still speculation or information gleaned from attending a sales presentation, but at some point I suspect we will get official numbers. For now we can start tracking based on what we have learned in the other threads and update later if necessary. I don't have time at the moment to go through the other threads to update this sheet, creating it is as far as I got. But if anyone else wants to take a stab at it, feel free. The lined Google Sheet is open to comments (opening for edit gets messy). If you find something to add right click on the cell and select "Comment" then indicate what should be in the cell. Mainly looking to verify the breakdown of the sheet is correct but also to populate columns J, M and N. For resorts that are weeks based, I would prefer to populate N and calculate M. For Flex based items, it will just be M that gets populated to indicate the conversion of points. Based on the comments I can update the data in the actual cells.

Here are the conversions for my two Nanea 2 BR resort view VOI:

1.
HOME OPTIONS 165,000
STAROPTIONS 165,000
CLUB POINTS 6,985

2.
HOME OPTIONS 148,100
STAROPTIONS 148,100
CLUB POINTS 6,265
 

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Here are the conversions for my two Nanea 2 BR resort view VOI:

1.
HOME OPTIONS 165,000
STAROPTIONS 165,000
CLUB POINTS 6,985

2.
HOME OPTIONS 148,100
STAROPTIONS 148,100
CLUB POINTS 6,265

What are the Maintenance Fees for these VOIs?
Have they been entered in MF Database?


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I was curious about the $MF per CP for Nanea.

e.g.
WKORV OF Deluxe is $0.45 per CP
WKV P+ is $0.44 per CP


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Confirming that SVV Bella 81k converts to 2825. I had to contact Vistana but everything is straightened out. Also mine is EOY so I get the 2825 in the use year only. Also Aventuras 37k converts to 1230 club points.
Aventuras is less valuable than a weeks ownership at Lagunamar. The lower the conversion ratio, the more valuable going from SO to CP. This Aventuras would be 30.08; my 2BR LO Gold + is 23.82. Also, I'd be happy to report in on MFs but the Vistana site has been down and I can't get to the association page w/ all the MF breakdowns.
 
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I was curious about the $MF per CP for Nanea.

e.g.
WKORV OF Deluxe is $0.45 per CP
WKV P+ is $0.44 per CP


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165,000 SO = $3,032.82 2023 MF = $0.01838/SO or $0.4342/CP

148,100 SO = $2,722.18 2023 MF = $0.01838/SO or $0.423/CP

Breakdown of MF still not available on Vistana site. Been like that for a few days.
 

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165,000 SO = $3,032.82 2023 MF = $0.01838/SO or $0.4342/CP

148,100 SO = $2,722.18 2023 MF = $0.01838/SO or $0.423/CP

Breakdown of MF still not available on Vistana site. Been like that for a few days.
Those are great ratios.

Sheraton flex not so great.
100000 SO = $1905 2023 MF = $.01905/SO or .6523/CP

To top it off I bought the flex ~6 yrs ago to upgrade resale voluntary ownerships for SO, now we know buying mandatory resale would have been a better move.
 

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I'm a little confused now that I actually have the ability to elect club points. This is what I'm seeing for the 2 weeks I own:

SVV Bella 2br L/O, Platinum, Week-09:
StarOptions Value: 95,700
Club Points Value: 3,100

SDO 1br, Platinum+, Week-50:
StarOptions Value: 67,100
Club Points Value: 1,325

How do they arrive at those Club Points numebers? I'm looking at their chart and for those weeks I should be getting 3,450 for SVV and 1,125 for SDO. Do they not use the values from the chart to determine how many CPs you get? If not, then what am I missing??? The SVV conversion rate is ~ 3.24% of my SOs, but my SDO is ~1.98%?
 

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I'm a little confused now that I actually have the ability to elect club points. This is what I'm seeing for the 2 weeks I own:

SVV Bella 2br L/O, Platinum, Week-09:
StarOptions Value: 95,700
Club Points Value: 3,100

SDO 1br, Platinum+, Week-50:
StarOptions Value: 67,100
Club Points Value: 1,325

How do they arrive at those Club Points numebers? I'm looking at their chart and for those weeks I should be getting 3,450 for SVV and 1,125 for SDO. Do they not use the values from the chart to determine how many CPs you get? If not, then what am I missing??? The SVV conversion rate is ~ 3.24% of my SOs, but my SDO is ~1.98%?

The Club Points you get for electing a week you own are based on the average value of a week in the season you own less a percentage ~5-7%. It's understandable for those resorts with floating weeks, but my fixed week fixed unit ownerships at WSJ VGV are treated the same way. For a couple of them I wind up getting a bit more than the actual fixed weeks, similar to your experience with SDO. This matches what was posted about the week valuations in Marriott when the desitnation club started up.
 

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I'm a little confused now that I actually have the ability to elect club points. This is what I'm seeing for the 2 weeks I own:

SVV Bella 2br L/O, Platinum, Week-09:
StarOptions Value: 95,700
Club Points Value: 3,100

SDO 1br, Platinum+, Week-50:
StarOptions Value: 67,100
Club Points Value: 1,325

How do they arrive at those Club Points numebers? I'm looking at their chart and for those weeks I should be getting 3,450 for SVV and 1,125 for SDO. Do they not use the values from the chart to determine how many CPs you get? If not, then what am I missing??? The SVV conversion rate is ~ 3.24% of my SOs, but my SDO is ~1.98%?


The CP number is unrelated to SO. the Vistana 148,100 weeks were treated very differently.

The charts have different values for different weeks of the year. So the 3450 you are seeing is also 2175 in some weeks and 4000 in others.

You are getting the average value of the weeks that are in your deeded season (less ~7% which is known as "skim")
 

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You are getting the average value of the weeks that are in your deeded season (less ~7% which is known as "skim")
I did the math on platinum plus and gold plus studios at Lagunamar and the skim came out as 5.01% and 4.04% respectively. Haven't figured it for any of the others.
 

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165,000 SO = $3,032.82 2023 MF = $0.01838/SO or $0.4342/CP

148,100 SO = $2,722.18 2023 MF = $0.01838/SO or $0.423/CP

Breakdown of MF still not available on Vistana site. Been like that for a few days.
Those are great ratios.

Sheraton flex not so great.
100000 SO = $1905 2023 MF = $.01905/SO or .6523/CP

To top it off I bought the flex ~6 yrs ago to upgrade resale voluntary ownerships for SO, now we know buying mandatory resale would have been a better move.
I think it was expected that the Maui properties would get better CP ratios than many others, but the flip side of that is that the CPs required to book the Maui properties are very high. As far as I can see, best value is still using Home Options for Maui resorts in high demand weeks and SOs if you want to use other resorts in lower demand weeks where it's possible to access inventory at 8 months. If you own in the Vistana Maui resorts, there is no reason to convert to CPs unless you want to go elsewhere in the Abound system and are willing to live with some fairly severe points devaluation.
 

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I think it was expected that the Maui properties would get better CP ratios than many others, but the flip side of that is that the CPs required to book the Maui properties are very high. As far as I can see, best value is still using Home Options for Maui resorts in high demand weeks and SOs if you want to use other resorts in lower demand weeks where it's possible to access inventory at 8 months. If you own in the Vistana Maui resorts, there is no reason to convert to CPs unless you want to go elsewhere in the Abound system and are willing to live with some fairly severe points devaluation.
165,000 SO = $3,032.82 2023 MF = $0.01838/SO or $0.4342/CP

148,100 SO = $2,722.18 2023 MF = $0.01838/SO or $0.423/CP

Breakdown of MF still not available on Vistana site. Been like that for a few days.
For reference, here's my ratios:

SVV Bella 2br L/O Platinum:
95,700 SO = $1,852.28 2023 MF = $0.01936/SO or $0.5975/CP (not including the $270 Club Dues)

SDO 1br Platinum+:
67,100 SO = $789.44 2023 MF = $0.01177/SO or $0.5958/CP

It would obviously be stupid for me to elect Club Points unless I REALLY wanted to go to a particular property. I'm not seeing this Abound program as anything that benefits me. I'm happy they gave me Executive level with my measly 4,425 Club Points and Bonvoy Platinum status, but I get platinum with my Bonvoy AMEX now anyway. If I understood correctly, the $270 dues includes exchange fees for II, so I guess that's a good thing for people who exchange.
 

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Do I have to give them everything I own that year. I cant figure out how to convert my WKV to club points but keep my SVV in star options

Never mind I figured it out you have to select the point total and then it gives you an option to select units
 
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For reference, here's my ratios:

SVV Bella 2br L/O Platinum:
95,700 SO = $1,852.28 2023 MF = $0.01936/SO or $0.5975/CP (not including the $270 Club Dues)

SDO 1br Platinum+:
67,100 SO = $789.44 2023 MF = $0.01177/SO or $0.5958/CP

It would obviously be stupid for me to elect Club Points unless I REALLY wanted to go to a particular property.

It also depends on when since Abound is more granular in assigning point values. I stayed 5 days last week at Sheraton Kauai in a 1BR for 66,800 SO. With your SVV ratio that costs $1293 for your SO. For the same 5 nights there next year I could use 1450 CP in Abound which is $864 using your SVV ratio. My ratios (Sheraton Flex and Lakeside Terrace) are similar to yours. Your SDO ratios are better it makes SO and CP about even..
 
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Do I have to give them everything I own that year. I cant figure out how to convert my WKV to club points but keep my SVV in star options

Never mind I figured it out you have to select the point total and then it gives you an option to select units
When I went on the page where you elect, it gave me the option to elect either or both SVV and SDO, but it wouldn't let me split the SVV 2br L/O, so you should be able to elect by deed.
 
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Is anyone else is seeing in any difference in what they were told they would get v what the new system now live is showing? We were told WLR 1BR Gold Plus would get 2,275 but it's actually showing as 2,800 in our account. I'm not complaining though as that's probably one of the better conversions of just 44,000 SO :giggle:
Should have kept my mouth shut or done my 2023 election more quickly. Received an email from them today saying there had been an 'error' with some of the Abound values shown online for Lagunamar and I should check to see the 'corrections'. Sadly it has now reverted back to the 2,275 :cry:
 
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Correction after Lagunamar re-jig of the numbers

WLR 1BR Gold+ ($1120/2275CP) = $0.49/CP
 

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Is WLR 2 BR platinum the best deal in terms of MF per club point?

1810$ MF
4,950 club points

So, 0.37$ per club point?

That seems quite a bit lower than what one has to pay if you buy Abound points either directly or through resale.

With resale around $4K and $10K for requalification, upfront cost is around 3$ per club point. That is also quite a bit lower than CP cost through resale (about 7$/CP?)

I guess the only risk is this requalification offer might disappear soon if one were to purchase WLR through resale now?
 

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Is WLR 2 BR platinum the best deal in terms of MF per club point?

1810$ MF
4,950 club points

So, 0.37$ per club point?

That seems quite a bit lower than what one has to pay if you buy Abound points either directly or through resale.

With resale around $4K and $10K for requalification, upfront cost is around 3$ per club point. That is also quite a bit lower than CP cost through resale (about 7$/CP?)

I guess the only risk is this requalification offer might disappear soon if one were to purchase WLR through resale now?
1) WLR is voluntary
2) Qualified voluntary (resale without qualification is not eligible) and all mandatory resorts had a cutoff date of August 9 2022 to make it into Abound.

MVC may in the future, offer some sort of requalification of ineligible resale by buying Abound Points from MVC.
 
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