You're Being Lied to About Electric Cars

[HitchHiker71]

Most of our driving is local, normal errands and visiting family and friends. We do take one 5 week trip every summer up through Wyoming and Montana to visit family up there, put 4000 miles in the new Sienna. There are nine of us (4 adults and 5 grandkids). We now take 2 minivans. My daughter’s Odyssey averaged 22 mpg, we averaged over 35 in the Sienna. But we will definitely get the PHEV Sienna when available. Other than the odd trip out of town, we would probably not have to use much gas until every July…

That’s a perfect use case for a PHEV from the sounds of it!


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[davidvel]

Agreed.



That study uses flawed data to present their findings. The Lendingtree study took a ton of heat when initially published. It uses data from Quotewizard from people applying or inquiring about insurance rates - not actual real world policies in force or real driver records (most of the data used is self reported). Additionally, many folks use websites like that to check rates on various vehicles that they never actually purchase or don’t actually own. This study also likely skews toward people with bad driving records that frequently check rates online due to high current auto insurance rates, so the data conflates the assumption that someone owns the vehicle(s) being requested for quotes, when oftentimes either that is not the case, or the sampling skews toward drivers with bad records, among other flaws. Look at the NHTSA crash data for accurate data.

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https://www.tesla.com/fsd/safety

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Also, accidents per driver is an utterly meaningless statistic for comparing whether a particular vehicle type is safer than another. This ignores the type of driving and number of miles driven. Only silly people would think such a stat has relevance.

 

[easyrider]

Agreed.



That study uses flawed data to present their findings. The Lendingtree study took a ton of heat when initially published. It uses data from Quotewizard from people applying or inquiring about insurance rates - not actual real world policies in force or real driver records (most of the data used is self reported). Additionally, many folks use websites like that to check rates on various vehicles that they never actually purchase or don’t actually own. This study also likely skews toward people with bad driving records that frequently check rates online due to high current auto insurance rates, so the data conflates the assumption that someone owns the vehicle(s) being requested for quotes, when oftentimes either that is not the case, or the sampling skews toward drivers with bad records, among other flaws. Look at the NHTSA crash data for accurate data.

Grok

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https://www.tesla.com/fsd/safety

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I'm not sure using Tesla produced information is anything better than pointing out the virtues of Tesla by Tesla, lol. It looks really good but how objective is a company going be when pointing out data on it's own products ?

I would agree that Tesla is the better of all of the EV manufacturers but that isn't saying Tesla's are the best overall vehicle for a consumer. They are still a niche product in many ways.

Bill

 

[easyrider]

Also, accidents per driver is an utterly meaningless statistic for comparing whether a particular vehicle type is safer than another. This ignores the type of driving and number of miles driven. Only silly people would think such a stat has relevance.

I would say it's true and that the rapid acceleration of a Tesla is the obvious reason for the high rate of accidents per driver. Other reasons would be the distraction of the high touch screen, self driving allowing the driver to be distracted and driver behavior. One of the first things I did when I test drove a Tesla was to floor it. I did this a few times and it did put a smile on my face.

Bill