You're Being Lied to About Electric Cars

[Brett]

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[buzglyd]

Getting my first experience with Tesla service. Got a warning two days ago that my front motor was disabled. I can still drive it with just the rear motor. I made an appointment in the app and showed up at the Carlsbad service center. It was all very efficient. They gave me a loaner and I was in and out the door in ten minutes. Hopefully, the motor situation is just a software glitch and not something more serious. It is under warranty so no charge.

 

[TUGBrian]

havent heard anyone complain about the f150 lightnings ability to backfeed their home in the event of a power outage, other than the cost of the specific charger/hardware unit and it being installed by an electrician (its not a diy install for the average homeowner). If i didnt already have a whole home natural gas generator id have done it in a heartbeat.

 

[easyrider]

havent heard anyone complain about the f150 lightnings ability to backfeed their home in the event of a power outage, other than the cost of the specific charger/hardware unit and it being installed by an electrician (its not a diy install for the average homeowner). If i didnt already have a whole home natural gas generator id have done it in a heartbeat.

Our generator is multi fuel and will run for about 70 - 80 hours on a 100 pound tank of propane at our cabin. I've never tried it at home but I think if we didn't run the HVAC system, the generator would run things here about the same as the cabin. It's definitely not the largest generator and was used mostly to power tools back in the day.

It took me a long time, all the way to this year actually, to ditch my corded tools and replace them with battery. I should have ditched the corded tools years ago, imo. I kind of doubt I will feel the same about vehicles, but in 10 years, maybe I will be spouting off about how I should of ditched the ice for an ev years ago.

Bill

 

[TUGBrian]

previously ran off portable generator and small window type ac units/fridges/fans/tvs but after 3 days of that during a hurricane a few years back, the wife was over it. (though she was pregnant at the time which may have contributed to her mood)

will say that since installing it 6 years ago, we havent had a significant outage since! knock on wood.


The vast majority of outages we have now are measured in minutes or hours and it sure is nice to know that after 15 seconds, the generator kicks in on its own and everything returns to normal. In most cases i probably wouldnt have even bothered to go out and fire up the generator vs just wait it out. IMO this is exactly where the electric cars backfeeding the home would shine!

 

[buzglyd]

The repair saga continues. I don't think they even looked at it for the first few days. Yesterday the app said ready at 6 PM but then a notification popped up, Parts Needed. The inverter to the front motor is bad so we are waiting for a new inverter to arrive and be installed.

 

[easyrider]

The repair saga continues. I don't think they even looked at it for the first few days. Yesterday the app said ready at 6 PM but then a notification popped up, Parts Needed. The inverter to the front motor is bad so we are waiting for a new inverter to arrive and be installed.

At least you know what's wrong. Some people are getting software glitches that require a guy with a programmer to update the Tesla's system. Maybe like a re-boot, idk. EV's are so complicated and simple. If it were an ice vehicle you could probably just disconnect the battery for a few minutes and solve the problem.

Bill

 

[buzglyd]

The part should arrive tomorrow. We’ve had some loaners. First a 2021 Model Y with 57,000 miles that was somewhat beat up. I swapped today for an older Model 3. It’s amazing how much more polished our 2024 M3 is compared to the previous version. I don’t think I’d want an older model even for cheap.

 

[WaikikiFirst]

10/22: General Motors said Google’s Gemini Chatbot will begin rolling out in its vehicles in 2026 & by2029, GM plans to launch hands free driving … “take their eyes off the road”

 

[TUGBrian]

pretty sure even current self driving vehicles monitor your eyes and require you to be paying attention to the road or itll disable the auto drive feature!

 

[DrQ]

pretty sure even current self driving vehicles monitor your eyes and require you to be paying attention to the road or itll disable the auto drive feature!

My Genesis has two little beady red eyes staring back at you to make sure your eyes are on the road. It nags you even when you are looking down the road.

 

[TUGBrian]

yea the lightning will make angry noises at you with an alarm chime and then kick back into self drive if you dont listen.

 

[buzglyd]

The saga continues. Now waiting for steering control module. We always say BMW means Bring My Wallet. Might have to come up with a new one for Tesla. Thankfully, under warranty.

 

[HitchHiker71]

pretty sure even current self driving vehicles monitor your eyes and require you to be paying attention to the road or itll disable the auto drive feature!

Tesla has been doing this for a few years now. Originally they started out with steering wheel nags, then once in-cabin cameras became the norm they moved to vision only driver monitoring - though technically the system still uses both methods - if the in-cabin camera cannot track your eyes it will still revert to steering wheel nags every few minutes to ensure you're paying attention. The vision monitoring is currently a bit annoying at times because it only gives about 7-8 seconds before the system starts warning you to pay attention. Oftentimes it can take more than 7-8 seconds to search for and input a new navigation destination for example, especially if you are looking through a list of nearby restaurants or other destinations. A first world problem without any doubt, but I’m very much looking forward to FSD 14 versions that will allow for true L3 driving hopefully sometime next year, at which point these attention monitoring limitations will no longer be required unless the vehicle requires intervention or, as the new FSD14 version is now doing, when more complex traffic scenarios occur, the system now pops up a new alert telling the driver to “please pay more attention,” in case the system needs the driver to take control.


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[PigsDad]

Kurt

 

[easyrider]

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Kurt

It has everything to do with the PRC manipulating the costs and prices. In China a new BYD Dolphin is under $8,000 USD whereas a new car with an ice in China costs about $23,000 USD.

Bill

 

[Brett]

It has everything to do with the PRC manipulating the costs and prices. In China a new BYD Dolphin is under $8,000 USD whereas a new car with an ice in China costs about $23,000 USD.

Bill

Or maybe a few other things

 

[PigsDad]

It has everything to do with the PRC manipulating the costs and prices. In China a new BYD Dolphin is under $8,000 USD whereas a new car with an ice in China costs about $23,000 USD.

I won't argue that there is some manipulation in China's EV markets, but it is certainly not "everything". How do you explain the rapid EV adoption in many other countries as well? Have you seen some of the European countries EV adoption rate? It makes China's look like nothing.

EVs are gaining more and more popularity every day and the writing on the wall that they will be taking over auto sales everywhere; to think otherwise, you are simply burying you head in the sand.

Kurt

 

[easyrider]

I won't argue that there is some manipulation in China's EV markets, but it is certainly not "everything". How do you explain the rapid EV adoption in many other countries as well? Have you seen some of the European countries EV adoption rate? It makes China's look like nothing.

EVs are gaining more and more popularity every day and the writing on the wall that they will be taking over auto sales everywhere; to think otherwise, you are simply burying you head in the sand.

Kurt

For ev's to become popular in the USA, the cost difference of EV versus ice vehicles would have to hugely favor ev's, the convenience factor would have to shift to be EV over ice and the types of vehicles would need to similar.

EV sales in the USA are tanking because of the lack of government incentives to EV buyers causing many ev's to be discontinued. On the flip side, Section 179 Tax Rules are now back to full bonus depreciation for ice vehicles that weigh over 6000 pounds and the interest of at least assembled in the USA new ice vehicle loans is a tax write off to all consumers. In 2026 the trend of ev's being viewed as a viable product in the USA will decline as car makers abandon EV's for profitable ice vehicles like suv's and trucks.

The only way ev's make a come back in the USA is through price because cheap Chinese EV's that our automakers can't compete with will never be allowed in the USA. Countries that allow these products face US trade barriers, tariffs and political pressure, so I doubt these Chinese EV's will be a thing with countries that need the USA.

The energy policies of the USA has changed, giving the edge to ice vehicles, which is another reason to think ev's won't be a viable product in the USA. Tesla might be the only viable EV in the USA in a few years because they are profitable, have infrastructure and are recognized as a good product.

I think I'm painting a pretty clear picture of the facts for the future of ev's in the USA for the next 3 1/2 years anyway.

Bill

 

[Ralph Sir Edward]

Still waiting for the Aptera. When (if) it ever comes out, it will have a feature no other EV would have - solar self-charging. For a retiree like me, it would be the perfect car. No paying for local driving, potential enough range for me. The one big question about it that has never been addressed; what about excess charging? (If I drive less than the rate the solar cells produce electricity? Sunblock cover for the car?)

 

[emeryjre]

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[easyrider]

Still waiting for the Aptera. When (if) it ever comes out, it will have a feature no other EV would have - solar self-charging. For a retiree like me, it would be the perfect car. No paying for local driving, potential enough range for me. The one big question about it that has never been addressed; what about excess charging? (If I drive less than the rate the solar cells produce electricity? Sunblock cover for the car?)

To me, a product like this is more for kicks and giggles than the real world. Kind of like a rich dads kids high school science experiment. It is interesting.

Bill

 

[easyrider]

You need to end the article with an IMO
You do not live in a high density Urban area
You have no idea of the needs of high density urban areas
You have shown consistently your lack of understanding of the changing nature of electrical generation, emissions, grid structure, MISOs You don't live in area where these things have a significant impact on you or your community
IMHO

I posted facts, not opinions. Your opinions are not thought out very well so let me explain.

People living in a high density urban area have less access to home EV chargers than those living in suburbs because suburbs are mostly single family residences with the ability to add an EV charger.

Yes, I do know the needs of high density urban areas regarding EV charging. It's very difficult to add EV chargers to multi-family dwellings. Many of the buildings would need to upgrade the properties electrical services and the power transformers would need to be upgraded too. If the transformers are upgraded, the service wires to and from the transformer needs to be an adequate size and type. If the transformers are using more electricity and has the proper wire, the substation would need to upgraded to handle the new load. Interesting is there probably isn't enough power supply to to justify any of the upgrades.

Besides the electrical problems, there is the other fact that ev's are proven to be un-reliable in that when they do break down, the down time is long because of parts and labor. On top of all of the problems ev's face, the political will to sponsor ev's has changed as seen by the elimination of incentives.

My opinion is 2026 will see less EPA restriction to manufacturing ice and more manufacturers making suv's, trucks and muscle cars in the USA to escape tariffs. This opinion is based on these facts. The section 179 deductions being fully reinstated means companies and business have incentive to purchase an ice vehicle weighing over 6000 pounds. If and when the USA goes to war it will not be in an EV. They will rely on large ice vehicles which have a track record of reliability.

Bill

 

[buzglyd]

Just another note to add to the endless thread. I just ready today that Japan's government does NOT subsidize Evs and they sell very poorly in Japan like not at all. You think an EV would be ideal for Japan but they are just way more expensive.

With US subsidies ending, it's sink or swim time. For people like me with a garage, an EV makes sense. If you live in an apartment and park on the street, not so much.

 

[emeryjre]

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