You're Being Lied to About Electric Cars

[HitchHiker71]

Tesla just released their less expensive M3 and MY "standard" variants here in the US.

$39,990 for the MY Standard, info here: https://www.tesla.com/modely

That's about $5k cheaper than the next least expensive MY.

$36,990 for the M3 Standard, info here: https://www.tesla.com/model3

That's about $4.5k cheaper than the next least expensive M3.

So as expected, it's not even fully making up for the $7500 tax credit loss really - but at least it's something.

 

[gln60]

It's interesting what passes as a good looking vehicle now days. The Tesla's remind me of the Yugo in that they have that utilitarian look. No style at all.

Bill

Imo..you are 100% correct..I believe that the majority of owners think it’s a “status symbol” to have one.

 

[emeryjre]

Several club members have moved on from Model S (One a plaid version) to Porsche 911 Coupes
Various models
None were less than $200K
That seems to be the new status symbol in the area

 

[emeryjre]

NO, what he used was an "AI Overview", something apparently WRITTEN by AI. When AI makes up cases when used to write legal briefs or orders, it is simply not reliable. Those stumbles by AI have happened fairly recently. I have a lot more respect for a PERSON's opinion than a machine's opinion.

Your knowledge of the real world of computing and AI is very limited
You see something labeled AI overview and think it is a compilation of fake data
If you want to argue facts
Argue facts
Don't claim because something says AI it is false

 

[easyrider]

I though the V-8 was discontinued in the Toyota Tundra since 4-5 years and replaced by a twin-turbo V-6 ?

Yup. Industry wide, most of the v-8's have been replaced by a turbo v-6 and a v-6 has been replaced by a turbo 4 banger. The Jeep I rented in Moab was a really nice Rubicon 4 door. The only thing I didn't like was the turbo would engage as I was climbing over obstacles. The one thing I did like was the turbo engaging in the sand. That was a blast.

Bill

 

[buzglyd]

An interesting read but it shows how limited EVs are. They can’t run laps because they are toast after only a few. I have a friend who has the Porsche and another who has the Mercedes AMG. I haven’t driven either…YET.

https://www.roadandtrack.com/reviews/a45614830/2024-performance-electric-car-of-the-year/?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=cpm&utm_campaign=dda_fb_rt_m_am_a45614830&fbclid=IwdGRleANTcsVleHRuA2FlbQEwAGFkaWQAAAXl1dEXdQEepwETme8qcCTmvuxECwVPBnsVyFA4OwC_m-h7-EtPodLkaHWUZHkt5ZJtXds_aem_FVvzic4NE7S6FKeyZnEMmQ&utm_id=6484692162701&utm_content=6484692163301&utm_term=6484692162501

 

[Brett]

An interesting read but it shows how limited EVs are. They can’t run laps because they are toast after only a few. I have a friend who has the Porsche and another who has the Mercedes AMG. I haven’t driven either…YET.

I don't think any of the cheap $5k Chinese electric cars will compete in the Indianapolis 500



TOP 5 Chinese EVs that BROKE the internet

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China’s electric vehicle market is moving faster than ever – and these 5 cars have taken the world by storm. From mind-blowing tech to jaw-dropping designs and even more insane price tags, these EVs aren’t just cars, they’re game-changers.
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[easyrider]

I don't think any of the cheap $5k Chinese electric cars will compete in the Indianapolis 500



TOP 5 Chinese EVs that BROKE the internet

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China’s electric vehicle market is moving faster than ever – and these 5 cars have taken the world by storm. From mind-blowing tech to jaw-dropping designs and even more insane price tags, these EVs aren’t just cars, they’re game-changers.
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I know you are a fan of Byd EV's but these are disposable ev's in that there isn't many places that can repair one. In countries that you can buy Byd there is a problem with service. The premium Byd , like the Byd Seal has a price higher than a Tesla MY. The cheap Byd called a Seagull would probably cost more to repair than to rebuy.

Bill

 

[TUGBrian]

none of those are electric!

still love the lightning, but will say it has a number of random quirks that id like addressed under warranty....but i cant get any dealership to return my call or email to schedule a time to bring it in! seems like none of them are interested in working on EVs....its pretty wild.

admittedly ive only tried to reach out to the 3 closest to me (are two more on the ford site that claim to work on ford evs, but are all the way across town)....but I am pretty shocked that I cant get service scheduled to get it serviced especially with an open recall.

the main quirks for me are the parking sensors just go BONKERS at random times with nothing around me. ive even been alone in a parking lot and all the sensors on one side go off like ive been in a collision. other times its random corners despite having nothing anywhere near the truck. Also whenever i go thru a car wash or heavy rain, the front sensors somehow get disabled (I know this because I get a huge warning message on the dash telling me the front sensors are disabled).

the biggest annoyance for me however is the fact that bluecruise (fords autopilot) stopped working a few months back, I can only guess its perhaps related to the sensors as well as if those arent working bluecruise wont work either. while I dont go on the highway regularly, its a nice feature when i am on the highway.

other than that, its still hands down the best truck ive ever owned!

wanted to update this as I finally got ahold of someone at one of the local dealerships who had someone in the service department reach out to me to schedule an appointment and since my concern was missing parts and or time int he shop to diagnose the random electrical errors...they offered a loaner f150 for me to keep as long as they had mine.

cant really complain much more about that!

 

[HitchHiker71]

An interesting read but it shows how limited EVs are. They can’t run laps because they are toast after only a few. I have a friend who has the Porsche and another who has the Mercedes AMG. I haven’t driven either…YET.

https://www.roadandtrack.com/reviews/a45614830/2024-performance-electric-car-of-the-year/?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=cpm&utm_campaign=dda_fb_rt_m_am_a45614830&fbclid=IwdGRleANTcsVleHRuA2FlbQEwAGFkaWQAAAXl1dEXdQEepwETme8qcCTmvuxECwVPBnsVyFA4OwC_m-h7-EtPodLkaHWUZHkt5ZJtXds_aem_FVvzic4NE7S6FKeyZnEMmQ&utm_id=6484692162701&utm_content=6484692163301&utm_term=6484692162501

Not sure I understand the logic here. As someone who has raced in SCCA in the past and has real world experience, very few mainstream mass production vehicles can perform well on racetracks or courses. I’ve owned a 1LE Camaro (my son now has it), Altima SE-R, Contour SVT, and a few other limited production run vehicles that are in theory “track ready” and even these models struggle on smaller SCCA courses let alone higher speed tracks. I’ve tracked them all many times over the years. The SE-R, despite having an upgraded brake package suffered from bad brake fade due to overheating, the SVT had oil tray windage issues that caused oil starvation on high speed long banked turns. The 1LE Camaro was actually the best of them.

Point being that even limited edition supposed performance models cannot do what’s claimed oftentimes, and their mass production variants won’t come anywhere close. That doesn’t mean the mass production vehicles aren’t stellar at what they were actually intended to do though - which is to get people safely from point A to point B every day without any issues and with minimal maintenance. EVs excel at doing just that, and that’s why Tesla has the lowest cost of ownership overall compared to all other brands


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[davidvel]

Not sure I understand the logic here. As someone who has raced in SCCA in the past and has real world experience, very few mainstream mass production vehicles can perform well on racetracks. I’ve owned a 1LE Camaro (my son now has it), Altima SE-R, Contour SVT, and a few other limited production run vehicles that are in theory “track ready” and even these models struggle on high speed tracks. I’ve tracked them all many times over the years. The SE-R, despite having an upgraded brake package suffered from bad brake fade due to overheating, the SVT had oil tray windage issues that caused oil starvation on high speed long banked turns. The 1LE Camaro was actually the best of them.

Point being that even limited edition supposed performance models cannot do what’s claimed oftentimes, and their mass production variants won’t come anywhere close. That doesn’t mean the mass production vehicles aren’t stellar at what they were actually intended to do though - which is to get people safely from point A to point B every day without any issues and with minimal maintenance. EVs excel at doing just that, and that’s why Tesla has the lowest cost of ownership overall compared to all other brands


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So we're not being lied to about electric cars?

 

[buzglyd]

Not sure I understand the logic here. As someone who has raced in SCCA in the past and has real world experience, very few mainstream mass production vehicles can perform well on racetracks. I’ve owned a 1LE Camaro (my son now has it), Altima SE-R, Contour SVT, and a few other limited production run vehicles that are in theory “track ready” and even these models struggle on high speed tracks. I’ve tracked them all many times over the years. The SE-R, despite having an upgraded brake package suffered from bad brake fade due to overheating, the SVT had oil tray windage issues that caused oil starvation on high speed long banked turns. The 1LE Camaro was actually the best of them.

Point being that even limited edition supposed performance models cannot do what’s claimed oftentimes, and their mass production variants won’t come anywhere close. That doesn’t mean the mass production vehicles aren’t stellar at what they were actually intended to do though - which is to get people safely from point A to point B every day without any issues and with minimal maintenance. EVs excel at doing just that, and that’s why Tesla has the lowest cost of ownership overall compared to all other brands


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I just think if Gasoline cars were tested on a 13 mile drive, it would seem farcical. I thought about the Model 3 Performance but EVs have performance for a very short period of time. That being said, we love the Model 3 AWD and drive it as much as possible. I’ve got my Corvette for hauling the mail.

 

[Brett]

I know you are a fan of Byd EV's but these are disposable ev's in that there isn't many places that can repair one. In countries that you can buy Byd there is a problem with service. The premium Byd , like the Byd Seal has a price higher than a Tesla MY. The cheap Byd called a Seagull would probably cost more to repair than to rebuy.

Bill

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I'm a fan of free trade !!

Considering there is a 100% tariff on Chinese cars then yes, there could be a problem with service

(if it ever needed service)

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[easyrider]

Considering there is a 100% tariff on Chinese cars then yes, there could be a problem with service

In the countries that allow Byd access to their markets the Byd EV has many service related problems. Many of the problems are due to parts breaking before these parts are available for service. I Austraila, the Byd starts out at about $30,000 AUD or close to $20,000 USD. I've read these have a bumper to bumper 6 year warranty. I've read that there are plenty of repair shops for Byd in Austraila. I've also read that Byd will not comply with Austraila's government regulations which makes getting parts very difficult.

I don't understand why anyone would want one of these pos Chinese ev's.

Bill

 

[HitchHiker71]

I just think if Gasoline cars were tested on a 13 mile drive, it would seem farcical. I thought about the Model 3 Performance but EVs have performance for a very short period of time. That being said, we love the Model 3 AWD and drive it as much as possible. I’ve got my Corvette for hauling the mail.

It’s a windy 13.8 mile section of roadway that R&T and others use to test vehicles on a fairly regular basis - regardless of propulsion type. I’ve known plenty of guys that track their M3P in my local area. It has its limits but you can easily get 50 miles out of the pack when tracking on a closed course aggressively before a charge up is needed.

Grok has a good summation of how to track a M3P: https://grok.com/share/bGVnYWN5LWNvcHk=_5d0291ab-526b-4d2d-a5ae-937b2277bae2

Just because R&T says something in an article doesn’t mean it’s true IME.


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