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You're Being Lied to About Electric Cars

Stop right there. That's enough. This isn't a science experiment, it’s a business. Tesla could have sold considerably more vehicles had they simply packaged this model in a way consumers would want to purchase. They didn't. They failed.

A business needs more than good tech.

Absolutely. It can have all the bells and whistles but if it's an ugly duck no one will really want it.

Bill
 
So many similar stickers on Teslas seen lately. People trying to keep their car from being vandalized...


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Stop right there. That's enough. This isn't a science experiment, it’s a business. Tesla could have sold considerably more vehicles had they simply packaged this model in a way consumers would want to purchase. They didn't. They failed.

A business needs more than good tech.
It's early on yet, with outside influencing factors in play that are hard to measure, let's see how this ages a year out from today.
 
Absolutely. It can have all the bells and whistles but if it's an ugly duck no one will really want it.

Bill
Still outselling all other EV pickups on the market, so while it's not generating numbers talked about early on - it's still beating the competition at least to date. I suspect the primary blocker is the high price - which is the same primary blocker for all other EV pickups at this time, apart from range limitations when towing/hauling, which there's currently no good solution for.
 
Still outselling all other EV pickups on the market, so while it's not generating numbers talked about early on - it's still beating the competition at least to date. I suspect the primary blocker is the high price - which is the same primary blocker for all other EV pickups at this time, apart from range limitations when towing/hauling, which there's currently no good solution for.
I like the look of all Black paint option Better than the stainless steel one.
 
The CT is still bleeding money on per sale basis
EM has said that the profitability for Tesla is now going to come from Robots
EM keeps moving the profit goal line to keep up expectations
The cybertaxi is also a huge unknown as far as profit goes
I admit that EM has always gambled big
He has been a winner so far
Will his luck run out
Only the next 12-24 months will give us the answer
No position in Tesla Stock for me at this point
I have made money long and short on Tesla
I am unwilling to take a position either way at this point
 
I like the look of all Black paint option Better than the stainless steel one.

Me too. I've seen a gloss black CT. I'm not sure if it's wrap or paint. I've seen a Camo CT and I'm sure it's a wrap. The Camo CT was on the trails behind the Indio WM.

Bill
 
I like the look of all Black paint option Better than the stainless steel one.
That's why PPF wraps exist. Do whatever you want - and if you live in CA or TX - you can order the PPF wraps directly from Tesla for any of their vehicles, though with limited choices compared to the aftermarket.
 
The CT is still bleeding money on per sale basis
Unknown at this time - though Tesla reported on the Q4 2024 earnings call that per unit profitability had been achieved.
EM has said that the profitability for Tesla is now going to come from Robots
That's never been said - what has been said is that the TAM for robots is likely the single largest market opportunity in existence compared to almost anything else. Units in the hundreds of millions easily - and therefore the potential revenue and profit for Tesla is scale high compared to anything else it has done to date.
EM keeps moving the profit goal line to keep up expectations
The cybertaxi is also a huge unknown as far as profit goes
It's not an unknown - the model has been proven with the Ubers/Lyfts of the world - except with driverless vehicles we eliminate the requirement for human labor costs - and the utility of the vehicle increases by a factor of 5-10x. The average vehicle is used 5% of the time - for driverless taxis - with no need for human drivers - the vehicle can be in service for 18-20 hours per day - every day - for years.
I admit that EM has always gambled big
He has been a winner so far
Will his luck run out
Only time will tell - but I've learned not to bet against EM over time. Many companies have gone out of business shorting Tesla.
Only the next 12-24 months will give us the answer
Between now and 2030 IMHO - don't forget we have other new models coming to market as well which isn't getting much of any attention right now - but could be huge for Tesla heading into 2026 especially if price points drop 20% or more.
No position in Tesla Stock for me at this point
I have made money long and short on Tesla
I am unwilling to take a position either way at this point
Taking any position with such a volatile stock is not for the feint of heart - I'm a 2030 guy - so whatever is transpiring right now means very little to me given the roadmaps ahead and Tesla's superior ability to execute on multiple levels (which has been proven over time).
 
Unknown at this time - though Tesla reported on the Q4 2024 earnings call that per unit profitability had been achieved.

That's never been said - what has been said is that the TAM for robots is likely the single largest market opportunity in existence compared to almost anything else. Units in the hundreds of millions easily - and therefore the potential revenue and profit for Tesla is scale high compared to anything else it has done to date.

It's not an unknown - the model has been proven with the Ubers/Lyfts of the world - except with driverless vehicles we eliminate the requirement for human labor costs - and the utility of the vehicle increases by a factor of 5-10x. The average vehicle is used 5% of the time - for driverless taxis - with no need for human drivers - the vehicle can be in service for 18-20 hours per day - every day - for years.

Only time will tell - but I've learned not to bet against EM over time. Many companies have gone out of business shorting Tesla.

Between now and 2030 IMHO - don't forget we have other new models coming to market as well which isn't getting much of any attention right now - but could be huge for Tesla heading into 2026 especially if price points drop 20% or more.

Taking any position with such a volatile stock is not for the feint of heart - I'm a 2030 guy - so whatever is transpiring right now means very little to me given the roadmaps ahead and Tesla's superior ability to execute on multiple levels (which has been proven over time).
Time will tell
I have no skin in the game at this point
I do believe that he is bleeding money at this point
That analysis is supported by other professionals
But it is not supported by public disclosures
Again
Time will tell
 
The vandalism is hurting all of us with a future of higher insurance rates. Insurance companies have to pay, we pay the insurance companies to insure our cars. If there are more accidents, storms, vandalism, all of us pay more insurance. The insurance companies don't eat the loss, we all do.
Same with the fires in CA and HI. Insurance companies will get their money back after these big losses. Count on it.
 
I guess Musk just became smart recently, based on perceptions.

I think the best way to describe him is hyper intelligent. He has an IQ of 130+ which by definition is "very superior intelligence".

Bill
 
The vandalism is hurting all of us with a future of higher insurance rates. Insurance companies have to pay, we pay the insurance companies to insure our cars. If there are more accidents, storms, vandalism, all of us pay more insurance. The insurance companies don't eat the loss, we all do.
Same with the fires in CA and HI. Insurance companies will get their money back after these big losses. Count on it.
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It should be stated that Tesla is, without question, the most American car company in existence. It bests the Big Three so to speak - by healthy margins. The parts content of all Tesla vehicles have the highest content of American made parts and 100% of the vehicles sold in America are assembled in America, by a 100% American workforce, and will therefore be the least impacted by the emerging tariffs. Those attacking Tesla are only harming the welfare of tens of thousands of hard working American workers in the process. That doesn't strike me as logical, nor as something to in any way be proud of, but that's just my viewpoint I suppose.
 
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Time will tell
I have no skin in the game at this point
I do believe that he is bleeding money at this point
That analysis is supported by other professionals
But it is not supported by public disclosures
Again
Time will tell
The "professionals" have been proven wrong time and time again - that's the only reliable pattern we have witnessed - at least big picture. Specific to the CT - I agree only time will tell.
 
Those attacking Tesla are only harming the welfare of tens of thousands of hard working American workers in the process. That doesn't strike me as logical, nor as something to in any way be proud of, but that's just my viewpoint I suppose.

There appears to be a negative reaction to Elon Musk's significant influence on political issues. For those who disagree with him, avoiding the purchase of his products seems to be a simple way to express their views. This response reflects a distinctly American attitude.

There's also some irony in suggesting that logic applies in this case, when it clearly is absent in other related issues which would close this thread if explained in detail.
 
There appears to be a negative reaction to Elon Musk's significant influence on political issues. For those who disagree with him, avoiding the purchase of his products seems to be a simple way to express their views. This response reflects a distinctly American attitude.

There's also some irony in suggesting that logic applies in this case, when it clearly is absent in other related issues which would close this thread if explained in detail.
I'm not referring to the consumer choice issue, I'm referring to the post I replied to regarding resorting to vandalizing either personally owned automobiles at sales or service centers or Tesla owned inventory at sales centers (as there are no Tesla owned vehicles at service centers in point of fact - they are 100% customer owned vehicles). EM owns 12.6% of Tesla stock - very much a minority stockholder in other words. The logic makes no sense to me again. The cancel culture efforts will fail - and as @rickandcindy23 said - the only people paying for all of the publicity stunts are all of us in the form of higher insurance rates (because the vehicles at the sales centers that may be owned by Tesla - are also insured).
 
I'm not referring to the consumer choice issue, I'm referring to the post I replied to regarding resorting to vandalizing either personally owned automobiles at sales or service centers or Tesla owned inventory at sales centers (as there are no Tesla owned vehicles at service centers in point of fact - they are 100% customer owned vehicles). EM owns 12.6% of Tesla stock - very much a minority stockholder in other words. The logic makes no sense to me again. The cancel culture efforts will fail - and as @rickandcindy23 said - the only people paying for all of the publicity stunts are all of us in the form of higher insurance rates (because the vehicles at the sales centers that may be owned by Tesla - are also insured).

I cannot defend vandalism. And I'm shocked that you expect logic to apply in all things.
 
The "professionals" have been proven wrong time and time again - that's the only reliable pattern we have witnessed - at least big picture. Specific to the CT - I agree only time will tell.
On any particular stock
There are boosters and there are naysayers
One side will be right
One side will be wrong
I pointed out that there are professionals feeling the same way is only to indicate that this in not just my opinion
Professionals are not always right
To say that professionals are wrong time and time again is not correct
One group of professionals will be right
One group of professionals will be wrong
 
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