Captain Morgan
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Apparently, you have no clue
Add Bentley Brook and National Harbor to the list of resorts where there is a building agreement with short term rental sites and Wyndham. So far, no owners who had postings approved that I know of have had cease and desist letters sent and Wyndham has not asked for a cut of the rent.
Dear Troy,I own at National Harbor, and assure you that what you are discussing (blatant lies) has absolutely not been communicated to owners... because it's fake news
Further more, National Harbor was never sold as fixed weeks, so that blows that idea out of the water.
I think this whole line of comments is BS
Just amazing how much @troy12n knows about renting. I don't know why he is so intent on spreading misinformation. Usually a good rule not to talk about things you really don't know about. But he likes to post like he knows what he's talking about, weaving halve truths and his lop-sided opinion along the way.Dear Troy,
Not so fast ... it won't be communicated to you until you try to put a listing for your unit week or any time reserved with points at National Harbor on Airbnb. Then it is Airbnb who will tell you. This is not BS.
Just amazing how much @troy12n knows about renting. I don't know why he is so intent on spreading misinformation. Usually a good rule not to talk about things you really don't know about. But he likes to post like he knows what he's talking about, weaving halve truths and his lop-sided opinion along the way.
You may be right that Wyndham or Capital Cove HOA has not made deeded owners of National Harbor aware of the Airbnb partnership. I am an owner at National Harbor and do not recall seeing anything sent to us. (Maybe try contacting a board member or the resort manager)I don't know anything about renting, unlike some of you shysters... and I think everyone here knows my position on renting. But what I do know, being an owner at NH, is that no such communications have come to us from either Wyndham or Capital Cove (our HOA) about this, in either email or snail mail, which most of the stuff comes in on...
@Sandi Bo are YOU an owner at NH? Or are you just trying to stir the pot? Might want to not throw rocks in glass houses when talking about "opinions"...
This OP's entire line of garbage he has posted has been questioned by pretty much everyone, and it says a lot that you are taking the time to defend him, in an apparent attempt to spite me
Why, yes, I am an owner at National Harbor. And exiting this conversation. I don't know anything about the topic and thus going back to my original thoughts - not commenting on something I know nothing about (nor care to conjecture about especially if it might mislead others). I certainly am not going to try to ASSURE anybody about anything on this topic, as that would be misleading on my part.I don't know anything about renting, unlike some of you shysters... and I think everyone here knows my position on renting. But what I do know, being an owner at NH, is that no such communications have come to us from either Wyndham or Capital Cove (our HOA) about this, in either email or snail mail, which most of the stuff comes in on...
@Sandi Bo are YOU an owner at NH? Or are you just trying to stir the pot? Might want to not throw rocks in glass houses when talking about "opinions"...
This OP's entire line of garbage he has posted has been questioned by pretty much everyone, and it says a lot that you are taking the time to defend him, in an apparent attempt to spite me
My listing on Airbnb has been taken down by Airbnb as I did not comply with Orwellian measures (apply to join their great Wyndham has convinced, or possibly paid, Airbnb to participate in. My thought is that this is all so that Wyndham can, more easily, collect data at whatever point they want to drop the ball on those who voluntarily submit to this wonderful program.So maybe the agreement is really for wyndham to be able to post on AirBnB as an additional outlet to rent out the units they control.
@DRIless or @RENTER have you personally listed with AirBnB any wyndham units lately and if so at which resorts. @Renters second hand accounts about all of those that you knows that have listed isn't nearly as useful as a real first person account.
I am the OP in this iteration of the subject and I have not posted any hear say. I've not posted any "line of garbage."I don't know anything about renting, unlike some of you shysters... and I think everyone here knows my position on renting. But what I do know, being an owner at NH, is that no such communications have come to us from either Wyndham or Capital Cove (our HOA) about this, in either email or snail mail, which most of the stuff comes in on...
@Sandi Bo are YOU an owner at NH? Or are you just trying to stir the pot? Might want to not throw rocks in glass houses when talking about "opinions"...
This OP's entire line of garbage he has posted has been questioned by pretty much everyone, and it says a lot that you are taking the time to defend him, in an apparent attempt to spite me
So maybe the agreement is really for wyndham to be able to post on AirBnB as an additional outlet to rent out the units they control.
@DRIless or @RENTER have you personally listed with AirBnB any wyndham units lately and if so at which resorts. @Renters second hand accounts about all of those that you knows that have listed isn't nearly as useful as a real first person account.
Let me ask this question, because I can find no answer in previous posts, "What about other rental platforms such as Craigslist, VRBO, etc.?" Do these rentals need "approval" from Wyndham and/or the HOA? Is AirBnB and Extra Holidays now the only options for rental ads at the affected resorts? If so, then some kind of announcement from the HOA would seem to be obligatory.
If not, then is this not just a "tempest in a teapot" as renters listing with AirBnB would just move to platforms other than AirBnB? Is AirBnB really that much of the rental market to make a difference?
I can understand that. In your opinion then does this standardization mean that wyndham is condoning renting at those properties and if an owner conforms to the standardization in their rental agreements that wyndham can't or won't go after those owners for commercial renting or at least won't cancel those particular reservations based off of those ads. That is what @RENTER is implying but that seems like a separate issue to me.The agreement(s) in question are primarily to help standardize rental listing formats on AirBnB (and other similar rental platforms) and to ensure that any/all listings put up on AirBnB (and other similar rental platforms) actually have real owner-based reservations behind them. This is what I've been able to gather on this topic to date. This is a brand protection issue of sorts for Wyndham, as an increasing number of owners in the rental business were listing rentals for reservations that did not actually exist at the time of listing, and in the worst cases renters would arrive at the resort(s) in question only to find that no reservations actually existed, or their reservations were "cancelled" by the renter at the last minute (because they didn't really ever exist) and in some cases the monies spent by the renter were never recovered from the owner. This obviously reflects badly on Wyndham - regardless of the fact that the owner-renter is really to blame.
I can understand that. In your opinion then does this standardization mean that wyndham is condoning renting at those properties and if an owner conforms to the standardization in their rental agreements that wyndham can't or won't go after those owners for commercial renting or at least won't cancel those particular reservations based off of those ads. That is what @RENTER is implying but that seems like a separate issue to me.
So the answer, for now, is that this is just a "tempest in a teapot" since all other third party rental sites are still in play with no "approval" needed from Wyndham.What we're seeing likely won't be limited only to AirBnB - though that's where this whole thing started since it's one of the largest vacation rental platforms out there - I'd expect this same thing to occur with other platforms moving forward.
I know that Koala also lists a number of their listings on Airbnb. Not sure how that would come into play here.Highly doubtful Craigslist or Koala, among other third party rental sites, would ever join the Wyndham/AirBnB rental cartel. Renters in this forum have posted in the past about their success using Craigslist -- one example:
I called the county near me that has three Wyndham Resorts they told me that I didn't have to apply for anything, the property is already a short term rental business.The only problem I have been having is individual towns and counties requiring applications to rent which is why I was went on a tear to rent as much as I could before they did something like this. Because I have paid off my loans and do not need as many rentals now, I will scale back on where I rent.
Generally, you would think that all the resorts are already zoned for short term rentals and owners are exempt from applying. Except we are dealing with 2 bureaucracies. Airbnb and the government. The government creates one size fit all rules aimed at solving the problems they are having with residential homes in residential neighborhoods. So, they pass laws requiring short term rental sites like Airbnb, VRBO and Booking to require those renting on their sites to apply or follow certain rules and receive a license number to apply to their post. Failure to do so. then you are not allowed to rent on their sites. Most of the times, when the government passes this one size fits all laws, they do not consider timeshares. They may provide an exemption for hotels but not for timeshares. Some do consider timeshares and allows an exemption when applying. Trying to explain this to employees of the government and the short-term rental sites is like talking to the walls. Recently I had to pay $50 to one city to receive a license number to rent in that city for 2 years. I never received the number. When I called the government agency to get it, they were confused because they had 17 applications for the same address. They did not know it was a timeshare. Now these laws generally only apply to properties being rented online on a short-term rental site. People renting on their own are exempt. That is generally. In some cities, short term rentals are banned. Don't ask about the rules for New York City. Many people just don't rent there.I called the county near me that has three Wyndham Resorts they told me that I didn't have to apply for anything, the property is already a short term rental business.
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