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Wyndham Privileges: new Wyndham VIP Levels starting late 2020 [Merged]

Or are they? I've been hearing sales people tell buyers, if they buy into VIP silver now, they will "give" them Gold when the changes take effect. They neglect to mention it's just a name change, and that they will still have the same silver benefits (25% discounts, 6 months to use the points deposit feature, etc). They lead people to believe they will have the current Gold privileges when the changes take effect. I wouldn't be surprised, if they did the name changes to intentionally confuse people, and allow sales people to take advantage of that confusion. Maybe I'm just being paranoid, but I cannot see another purpose for the name change.

I completely agree with this. What seems to be intentional confusion will surely benefit sales, yet it will be a big hassle for the front-line phone staff and owner care to explain the facts to confused owners.
 
That’s why. You already paid through the nose. :)

Titanium will most likely bring PR benefits to non-PR owners. Legacy collection and such... I’m Platinum so I’ll be Diamond. I’ll probably see a few benefit changes but not Legacy and some of these other “perks” that come with PR.

The multi levels with additional levels reminds me of Donkey Kong. When you finally get to the the top level there is another level that is added and it is a little more difficult for all to achieve. Its all about keeping you in their game but with Donkey Kong it was only $0.25 a game to play. You may have to pay with Bitcoin also in the future a sales rep told me at one WOW.
 
Post 192 gave a sales hub site. That site has a second page that shows current and new levels. Silver will be named gold but will still receive what is currently silver benefits. The unlimited housekeeping may be lost on future vips. The site said only those current vips at the time of launch in 2020 will maintain unlimited housekeeping. Those obtaining VIP after the launch may have a specific number of unit cleans.
 
From a post on one of the Wyndham FB forums:

Today we attended an update at National Harbor. We were paired with Joe, a very nice gentleman who was low pressure. Soon after Rob materialized; he's a supervisor who has spoken with us previously at this location. We asked for some clarification on the new Privileges program. Since it's still in development he didn't have a lot to share, but this is what he did say:
-Emerald Level (300,000-399,999 points) was developed to try and pacify owners who didn't take the opportunity prior to the 2012 increase in points for VIP levels to make a purchase that would have grandfathered them into Silver VIP.
-All Presidential Reserve owners will automatically be granted Titanium status.
-Titanium owners would receive 60% points discounts.
-Unit upgrades for Titanium owners would occur at 90 days prior to check in.

He indicated that no one will lose any VIP benefits they currently have, but it's a bit of a gray area as to whether the new benefits at any level would be given without making a purchase. So, for instance, a Platinum VIP owner who has 1.4 million points would be Titanium, but they might not get that 60% points discount; they would continue to receive 50%.

As always, he had a suggestion for making a change to our ownership, one that actually might have some validity to it if we were in the position financially to do so. But we declined, he thanked us for our time and said he'd see us next time we're there. Took slightly over an hour, and we walked away with another 30,000 Wyndham Rewards points.

First I’ve heard any mention of the 90 day auto-upgrade window for Titanium.


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Renting to others was a sales weasel lie - say anything to make a sale, even lie, lie and they lie there way into your pockets, wallets and bank accounts. In the Wyndham directory it states not for commercial use, so Wyndham in general never approved it, but didn't prevent of it. The last policy change took care of mega renters, which allowed owner to have more availability at demand locations and during demand timeframes. Prior to the policy change you needed APR for Daytona Bike Week, Biketoberfest, Daytona 500. Not any more thanks to the policy change. Last year I was able to book Bikeweek and the 500 at half points, but you have to work the website and stay on top of it.
The 500 is easier to get in ARP now but we were not able to rebook and get our full points back the last 2 years. We are back to where availability comes within the 15 day window because I am sure mega renters pay the points protection
 
The 500 is easier to get in ARP now but we were not able to rebook and get our full points back the last 2 years. We are back to where availability comes within the 15 day window because I am sure mega renters pay the points protection
Only mega renter left is Extra Holidays. The rest were squeezed out by Wyndham's new rules and the VIP cheap rentals. Not as profitable as it was in the past with cancel and rebook.
 
From a post on one of the Wyndham FB forums:



First I’ve heard any mention of the 90 day auto-upgrade window for Titanium.


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Attended New Orleans sales update that reflected what was said above. "You will not loose VIP benefits" but would need to purchase to get "New level" benefits.
You would get the name but have benefits at old VIP levels and would not get the new benefits.
It was also hinted that the upper class (Titanium / Diamond), would get the nicer club pass perks.
My feedback was that if they did that, it would feel like gut punch to owners.
They also mentioned a price increase in June / July... about $300 per 1,000 points.
 
Only mega renter left is Extra Holidays. The rest were squeezed out by Wyndham's new rules and the VIP cheap rentals. Not as profitable as it was in the past with cancel and rebook.

The only thing that is even partially correct about your statement is that some megarenters are finding it harder to make the profit they once did. Only a few megarenters were eliminated by Wyndham two years ago. Many weren't and more have joined their ranks. The few megarenters that Wyndham got rid of were the ones involved in buying massive amounts of points, stripping the deeds or contracts of up to three use years of points and then selling those deeds and contracts. The megarenters who weren't involved in that are still around.

I keep wondering why those of you who are not VIP owners and have no intention of ever spending the money to be VIP owners keep continuing to post on this thread. None of you have added any information pertinent to the thread nor of value to the people who will be impacted by the changes. Some of you might want to ask yourselves what is your purpose in continuing to insert yourselves into this thread. Having the courtesy to learn the difference between you can post but should you post would be greatly appreciated by many.
 
The only thing that is even partially correct about your statement is that some megarenters are finding it harder to make the profit they once did. Only a few megarenters were eliminated by Wyndham two years ago. Many weren't and more have joined their ranks. The few megarenters that Wyndham got rid of were the ones involved in buying massive amounts of points, stripping the deeds or contracts of up to three use years of points and then selling those deeds and contracts. The megarenters who weren't involved in that are still around.

I keep wondering why those of you who are not VIP owners and have no intention of ever spending the money to be VIP owners keep continuing to post on this thread. None of you have added any information pertinent to the thread nor of value to the people who will be impacted by the changes. Some of you might want to ask yourselves what is your purpose in continuing to insert yourselves into this thread. Having the courtesy to learn the difference between you can post but should you post would be greatly appreciated by many.
I respect you opinion Jan. Sometimes a different point of view helps others and then to others it may not.
 
I respect you opinion Jan. Sometimes a different point of view helps others and then to others it may not.

Gotta say that I agree with @Jan M. on this. While different points of view are generally helpful, it's really only useful to obtain those differing points of view when they are on the same topic. I respect the point of view that developer purchases to get to the Wyndham VIP levels is not a great choice for many due to the higher cost; folks that hold that point of view should feel free to share it when and where it's appropriate. I don't think a thread regarding the upcoming changes to that program is the appropriate place, though. Some of us have current VIP ownership with Wyndham and are interested in learning about the changes and have been reading this thread for that reason. The frequent posts with elementary math and logic errors haven't added value to the conversation from my perspective, though. It would be akin to my adding a post that says my favorite color is blue to this thread without adding anything about Wyndham privileges; it could be true and it could have value to some readers, but would really be in the wrong place. This thread is 14 pages long already and I realize that I'm just venting and not helping the situation, so I'll stop. I do think, however, that we should consider whether or not we are adding useful information to the subject people are discussing when we enter a conversation because, as in real life, butting into someone's conversation and changing the subject repeatedly can be perceived as rude.

Oh, I like chocolate, too.
 
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Gotta say that I agree with @Jan M. on this. While different points of view are generally helpful, it's really only useful to obtain those differing points of view when they are on the same topic. I respect the point of view that developer purchases to get to the Wyndham VIP levels is not a great choice for many due to the higher cost; folks that hold that point of view should feel free to share it when and where it's appropriate. I don't think a thread regarding the upcoming changes to that program is the appropriate place, though. Some of us have current VIP ownership with Wyndham and are interested in learning about the changes and have been reading this thread for that reason. The frequent posts with elementary math and logic errors haven't added value to the conversation from my perspective, though. It would be akin to my adding a post that says my favorite color is blue to this thread without adding anything about Wyndham privileges; it could be true and it could have value to some readers, but would really be in the wrong place. This thread is 14 pages long already and I realize that I'm just venting and not helping the situation, so I'll stop. I do think, however, that we should consider whether or not we are adding useful information to the subject people are discussing when we enter a conversation because, as in real life, butting into someone's conversation and changing the subject repeatedly can be perceived as rude.

Oh, I like chocolate, too.
If a person wants the VIP privileges they just need to pay for it. TUG provides great learning opportunities to do it as efficiently as possible. Ppl with VIP have the challenge of getting to their break even point (return on original investment) whereas those who bought on the resale do not have such a situation. Benefits to both sides really. Many ppl who bought from the developer did not have the knowledge or power that TUG provides. At the end of day, if you want VIP, then go get it. Keep in mind that VIP privileges keep on evolving or devolving so it really is buyer beware
 
If a person wants the VIP privileges they just need to pay for it. TUG provides great learning opportunities to do it as efficiently as possible. Ppl with VIP have the challenge of getting to their break even point (return on original investment) whereas those who bought on the resale do not have such a situation. Benefits to both sides really. Many ppl who bought from the developer did not have the knowledge or power that TUG provides. At the end of day, if you want VIP, then go get it. Keep in mind that VIP privileges keep on evolving or devolving so it really is buyer beware

Roger that. This thread’s subject started being about upcoming changes to the program, not the wisdom or efficacy of buying into the program.
 
Attended New Orleans sales update that reflected what was said above. "You will not loose VIP benefits" but would need to purchase to get "New level" benefits.
You would get the name but have benefits at old VIP levels and would not get the new benefits.
It was also hinted that the upper class (Titanium / Diamond), would get the nicer club pass perks.
My feedback was that if they did that, it would feel like gut punch to owners.
They also mentioned a price increase in June / July... about $300 per 1,000 points.

First, stop going to updates and expecting to get accurate information. The sales people know about as much as we do at this point. Any information they give you, is whatever they think will get you to buy. Even if you told them you’re not buying, they are still going to try.

Second, There may be a price increase in June, but I doubt it will be $300 per 1,000. They usually only increase it a few dollars at a time. Last check it was $254 but I did hear some New York rep put down $294 per 1,000 on the paperwork as the MSRP. He could have put one million per 1,000. It would not make it true.

Third, the only people who would need to buy more points to get the new benefits would be people who want Emerald. Even if they already have 300,000 points, they would have to make a purchase to buy into VIP. Otherwise Wyndham would be giving away VIP to a non-VIP. That would ruffle more then a few feathers. Current VIP owners will keep their current benefits, and get the new ones as well, and do NOT need to make a purchase. Owners with more the. 1.4 million points, and PR owners (who have at least 1 million PR points) will get Titanium status without having to buy more points points because they are already VIP.

Finally, the sales reps know nothing about the new perks other then what has be publicly announced or in that memo. I’ve been hearing numerous stories of sales people making things up about the new program (on top of their other lies). It’s nonsense. Some of us have inside contacts who have been consistently right. If they don’t know something, they say they don’t know. They don’t make things up. If someone says “I heard at an update....” I don’t care what comes after that because there is a 99.99% chance it’s a lie or a half truth. The only time I would mention something I heard at an update, would be to say how ludicrous their claim was. Or to give examples of the lies and misinformation they spread.


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I just saw they added a second page to their publication. Pretty much just repeats what we’ve already said about the name changes. Judging by the asterisks next to the unlimited housekeeping, it looks like new VIPs in all levels will not get unlimited housekeeping. I wasn’t sure if the unlimited HK was being taken away from just the lower levels or all levels. Sounds like all levels will not have it?

https://www.wyndhaminteractivesaleshub.com/club-wyndham/CW_Privileges.pdf

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I respect you opinion Jan. Sometimes a different point of view helps others and then to others it may not.

Different points of view are useful if they are informed points of view. Otherwise, they are just idle chatter.
 
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Different points of view are useful if they are informed points of view. Otherwise, they are just idle chatter.
Like this one has any value? I respect your opinion but this reply is nonsense. I wish I had a dislike button now as someone posted earlier.
 
Dislike dislike
Ignore, yes Braindead ignore

Did Braindead go brain dead? Lol

You’re comment made me laugh. Thanks.


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I keep wondering why those of you who are not VIP owners and have no intention of ever spending the money to be VIP owners keep continuing to post on this thread.
I can tell you why I am following this thread, even though I am in the “please don’t post” category you define above: changes to the VIP program can potentially impact availability for all owners. I have infrequently offered speculation in this thread about what might or might not be likely given Wyndham’s past actions. I can imagine a future in which I might do so again.

As an aside: I really enjoy the ignore feature here on TUG BBS. I have a number of frequent Wyndham forum posters on my ignore list (along with a few select others). It does sometimes make threads hard to follow, because I don’t see quotes from ignored users in others’ posts, but it contributes to my sanity in a big way.
 
I can tell you why I am following this thread, even though I am in the “please don’t post” category you define above: changes to the VIP program can potentially impact availability for all owners. I have infrequently offered speculation in this thread about what might or might not be likely given Wyndham’s past actions. I can imagine a future in which I might do so again.

As an aside: I really enjoy the ignore feature here on TUG BBS. I have a number of frequent Wyndham forum posters on my ignore list (along with a few select others). It does sometimes make threads hard to follow, because I don’t see quotes from ignored users in others’ posts, but it contributes to my sanity in a big way.

I have always found your posts to be helpful and informative. And sometimes entertaining. I have never seen you using every possible thread to play games and abuse the purpose of TUG.

You, Ron and others had your work cut out for you in getting me to use CWP and CWS correctly back when I started posting. I'm sure there were other things I misspoke about and was corrected about them too. I've always appreciated the patience, that you and others took the time to teach me and that you were always polite in correcting me.
 
I just saw they added a second page to their publication. Pretty much just repeats what we’ve already said about the name changes. Judging by the asterisks next to the unlimited housekeeping, it looks like new VIPs in all levels will not get unlimited housekeeping. I wasn’t sure if the unlimited HK was being taken away from just the lower levels or all levels. Sounds like all levels will not have it?

https://www.wyndhaminteractivesaleshub.com/club-wyndham/CW_Privileges.pdf

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It says they do have unlimited housekeeping if you are already VIP
 
It says they do have unlimited housekeeping if you are already VIP

I was referring to new VIPs after the changes take effect. I believe the elimination of unlimited housekeeping will be for all new VIPs in all levels. Not just the lower ones.


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I was referring to new VIPs after the changes take effect. I believe the elimination of unlimited housekeeping will be for all new VIPs in all levels. Not just the lower ones.


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According to the Wyndham regional director I spoke with recently, Titanium will probably keep unlimited HKs and reservation transactions for new VIPs, but it may be the only level that keeps them. He also said none of this is written in stone right now, except for the 60% discount - this one item has been decided and has been published as we already know.


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According to the Wyndham regional director I spoke with recently, Titanium will probably keep unlimited HKs and reservation transactions for new VIPs, but it may be the only level that keeps them. He also said none of this is written in stone right now, except for the 60% discount - this one item has been decided and has been published as we already know.


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Key word nothing written in stone. Changes happen just roll with it.
 
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