Wyndham Privileges: new Wyndham VIP Levels starting late 2020 [Merged]

[ecwinch]

Trust me..... reports are flooding into FB about them pushing this junk already. I would rather be well-informed on what their latest sales hook is....

One poster was even told congratulations on being upgraded to Emerald....

As the sayings go forewarned is forearmed and knowledge is power.....

 

[Jan M.]

The second thing I would like to address that is really upsetting me about this thread. I'm seeing a lot of comments about Presidential Reserve and its associated Platinum VIP status from people who it appears are putting their own spin on what they read in the directory and/or on what they heard in a sales presentation. While we all are free to express our opinions in this thread it certainly seems to be more as people misrepresenting themselves as supposed knowledgeable sources of information about the subject when they are neither platinum nor Presidential Reserve owners.


"As a Presidential Reserve Member who purchased through Wyndham Vacation Resorts, you automatically achieve the privilege of Platinum VIP status in CLUB WYNDHAM Plus, the elite level reserved for those Members who have 1,000,000 points or more."

 

[HitchHiker71]

Does anyone else see what I see in this supposed memo from corporate?

A memo from corporate would not contain statements like "Why Buy Today? While Privileges won't launch until late 2020, owners who make a purchase after May 1, 2019 will ensure their eligibility for the introductory tier. That means locking in next year's benefits at today's prices." It then goes on to say "What's better than a vacation? A vacation with even more privileges. Now's the time to dream bigger, dive deeper and explore further with Privileges."

This was clearly created by sales and not even any kind of an even semi official announcement directly from corporate. Sales just loves it when we help them by feeding their rumor mill scare tactics.

Actually no where does it say it’s from Wyndham Corporate. It’s clearly a sales memo and clearly marked IN DEVELOPMENT.

I really could care less about the picture of the memo except to say that it appears to align at a high level with information from sources that I trust within Wyndham. That said, it’s all formative and is always subject to change. The only confirmatory information that the sales memo demonstrates for me is going from three to five tiers. The rest is just conversation until we actually see an official announcement. It’s fun to prognosticate though.


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[Jan M.]

Actually no where does it say it’s from Wyndham Corporate. It’s clearly a sales memo and clearly marked IN DEVELOPMENT.

I really could care less about the picture of the memo except to say that it appears to align at a high level with information from sources that I trust within Wyndham. That said, it’s all formative and is always subject to change. The only confirmatory information that the sales memo demonstrates for me is going from three to five tiers. The rest is just conversation until we actually see an official announcement. It’s fun to prognosticate though.


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I should have gone on to repeat what I said previously about a new higher level only being a matter of time. I can remember hearing people talk about it for the last 10 years. Since there has been plenty of time to discuss the topic in this thread and get that all out of the way I thought it was a good time to ask my question. I really am truly interested in finding out if other people's reaction to reading that memo was the same as mine. If other people had the same initial knee jerk reaction I did because it so totally and obviously smacks of sales manipulation tactics.

 

[55plus]

Since when does Titanium fall into line with precision metals? The current levels are by value. If you throw Titanium into the mix it would fall below Silver, not above Platinum.

 

[55plus]

Precious metals like Technetium and Rhodium have a higher value than Platinum. Why would Wyndham place an inferior metal above Platinum? They wouldn't so this makes me think a sales weasel drew up the memo. Wyndham Corporate isn't that stupid, but sales weasels are.

 

[Pathways]

Actually no where does it say it’s from Wyndham Corporate. It’s clearly a sales memo and clearly marked IN DEVELOPMENT

In a company the size of Wyn, the marketing arm is a separate beast, and things like this come out of the marketing gurus. In my own corporate experience, things have come out of marketing far more 'finished' than this and yet get totally changed or maybe never see the light of day to the customer.

But stuff gets passed around to sales managers for feedback and everyone makes copies (Even though they are told not to), then sales staff in the trenches gets a hold of it, and then ......

Bottom line since we are just speculating, this is still 'Wyndham Corporate' and subject to from minor changes to total redo.

 

[kanerf]

Since when does Titanium fall into line with precision metals? The current levels are by value. If you throw Titanium into the mix it would fall below Silver, not above Platinum.

This is precisely what Marriott (now Bonvoy) did when they created the Titanium level which is above their Platinum level.

 

[wjappraise]

Although it’s used as a sales ploy, it’s not just a sales ploy and has very particular benefits that some people choose very specifically (@wjappraise comes to mind). Right now, I think salespeople use PR as a selling tactic for people who are already platinum and many see it as a status and underutilize the benefits - but there are also owners who appreciate the deeded benefits of PR which are completely unrelated to VIP status.

You are right, Sarah. PR is a benefit that I appreciate . . .but I still overpaid for the whole thing. I bought up to PR when I was a current VIP Gold and was close to Platinum. So my purchase to VIP Platinum was simultaneous to PR status. So, it was really a no-brainer for me, if I was buying up to Platinum, PR made sense. If I was already VIP Platinum, I doubt that I would have purchased more points simply to go to PR. There is a down side to PR status, and that is higher cost. From my experience, any PR contract has a higher MF cost than another non-PR contract of the same size at the same resort.

The whole idea of marketing various status and VIP levels is a great sales approach (ploy) as it intrigues some potential buyers, confuses some, and appeals to some to have the "best" membership available.

 

[jwalk03]

Since when does Titanium fall into line with precision metals? The current levels are by value. If you throw Titanium into the mix it would fall below Silver, not above Platinum.

Marriott's updated rewards program also has Titanium as a level above Platinum. Must just be coping from them. (Though there is no Emerald level in Marriott.)

 

[Manzana]

The levels it seems are trying to match the Levels for Wyndham Rewards. Which have the same with the exception of emerald.
Wyndham Reward levels are Blue, Gold, Platinum, Diamond, Titanium (Invite only franchise hotel owners). So the names for the levels are not that new.

 

[HitchHiker71]

I should have gone on to repeat what I said previously about a new higher level only being a matter of time. I can remember hearing people talk about it for the last 10 years. Since there has been plenty of time to discuss the topic in this thread and get that all out of the way I thought it was a good time to ask my question. I really am truly interested in finding out if other people's reaction to reading that memo was the same as mine. If other people had the same initial knee jerk reaction I did because it so totally and obviously smacks of sales manipulation tactics.

It will be interesting to see if it sticks. VIPP owners have become accustomed to being at the top of the tiered VIP ladder for a long time. If Wyndham does introduce a higher tier, then I surmise quite a number of VIPP owners will not be all that happy that there's another tier above them that may end up getting higher discounts, but perhaps more importantly, first dibs on auto-upgrades before VIPP owners.

 

[55plus]

It will be interesting to see if it sticks. VIPP owners have become accustomed to being at the top of the tiered VIP ladder for a long time. If Wyndham does introduce a higher tier, then I surmise quite a number of VIPP owners will not be all that happy that there's another tier above them that may end up getting higher discounts, but perhaps more importantly, first dibs on auto-upgrades before VIPP owners.

There is some psychology to this. Some people want the 'best' no matter what the cost. Those are the people who buy those $200K plus cars and stay at very very high end hotels. I don't know how many of them are Wyndham timeshare owners. There are people who can't afford the best but will borrow to be on top. These are the people Wyndham is counting on if in fact they will add a tier above Platinum. Those who are Gold and Silver that haven't ventured up to Platinum, most probably will stay where they are at. I can see the change, if there is one, not producing that much revenue. What a surprise these new top tier owners are in for after a few years when Wyndham makes policy changes that change or take away some of their perks and benefits like they have done in the past to the other ownership levels.

 

[curtjones]

Interesting discussion. I also recently went to an update while in Orlando and they mentioned that the VIP levels would be changing. As part of the discussion, I indicated that if I was going to purchase additional points it would be on the open market. Their response was interesting..... they said that if I linked any open market points to my account it would invalidate my VIP status. I made them show me where that was indicated as policy and they pulled out a revised VIP definition sheet ( at least it was new to me). The sales person also showed me an account that was platinum where the individual purchased additional open market points, and lost their platinum VIP benefits. That was definitely an eye opener for me. Guess I will have to go see about purchasing some additional Marriott points.

They showed me an account with the owner information all blacked out.

 

[ecwinch]

They showed me an account with the owner information all blacked out.

Understood. Let me rephrase.

How did they show you that the person had VIP status at one time, then added open market (resale) points to their account, and then show you that was the reason they lost their VIP status?

 

[Xcalibur]

Lovely .. So now they are resorting to veiled threats in the 'updates'. Just another reason to avoid them.

 

[dgalati]

So dgalati does PR standout & have status in your opinion?

BD,
Read the post it makes no mention of PR or status in my opinion.

Think of status like this: you know when you eat corn and the next day or so you can see a couple corn kernels in your #%$& before you flush. Those kernels have status because they stand out from the rest.

Very interesting analysis.

 

[55plus]

Can you image the uprising, lawsuits and public relations damage to Wyndham's brand if they take away VIP status to anyone who purchased resell? That's a road they wouldn't dare to down. Just the threat of it that the sales weasels are putting out is going to damage Wyndham's brand.

Someone spends $200K on a VIP package and loses the VIP benefits for buying resell for a $100 is going to lose the benefits? I don't think so.

 

[Silverdollar]

It will be interesting to see if it sticks. VIPP owners have become accustomed to being at the top of the tiered VIP ladder for a long time. If Wyndham does introduce a higher tier, then I surmise quite a number of VIPP owners will not be all that happy that there's another tier above them that may end up getting higher discounts, but perhaps more importantly, first dibs on auto-upgrades before VIPP owners.

I have plans to go to a Wyndham resort later this week. I don't go to owner updates (sales presentations) any more, but I might make an exception to hear what they have to say about the new "Wyndham Privileges" program. As a VIPP owner, I am interested to see what they have to say and how it might affect my ownership. Of course, I will take it all with a grain of salt.

When this thread first started, I thought it could break a Tug record for "Replies" and "Views", especially since the program will not be fully rolled out until the end of 2020. Between now and then there will probably be a lot speculation and anticipation about what "the final product" will look like. So, I am thinking this will be a hot topic for many months to come.

If I attend the update, I will report back what they said in order to compare and contrast what others have reported here. I would appreciate if you and others would report their findings as well.

 

[Braindead]

Think of status like this: you know when you eat corn and the next day or so you can see a couple corn kernels in your #%$& before you flush. Those kernels have status because they stand out from the rest.

Very interesting analysis.

 

[Braindead]

BD,
Read the post it makes no mention of PR or status in my opinion.

You were responding to a post that used “status” twice. Status referenced as something that “stands out”
The discussion was about “status”. You put yourself into the discussion

Still waiting on your answer

 

[dgalati]

BD,
Think of status like this: you know when you eat corn and the next day or so you can see a couple corn kernels in your #%$& before you flush. Those kernels have status because they stand out from the rest.

 

[Happy Hopian]

BD,
Think of status like this: you know when you eat corn and the next day or so you can see a couple corn kernels in your #%$& before you flush. Those kernels have status because they stand out from the rest.

LOL
I'm sorry but that is such a great way to shut the door. Braindead keeps asking stupid questions and apparently can't understand that people can have a difference of opinion.

 

[dgalati]

LOL
I'm sorry but that is such a great way to shut the door. Braindead keeps asking stupid questions and apparently can't understand that people can have a difference of opinion.

Agreed I never want to block or ignore posters but sometimes it cant be avoided. Everyones opinion is worth a read. I may not agree with all opinions but I try to keep a open mind and not have a pretty narrow minded & a narrow view of some ones else's opinion.

 

[geist1223]

I have plans to go to a Wyndham resort later this week. I don't go to owner updates (sales presentations) any more, but I might make an exception to hear what they have to say about the new "Wyndham Privileges" program. As a VIPP owner, I am interested to see what they have to say and how it might affect my ownership. Of course, I will take it all with a grain of salt.

When this thread first started, I thought it could break a Tug record for "Replies" and "Views", especially since the program will not be fully rolled out until the end of 2020. Between now and then there will probably be a lot speculation and anticipation about what "the final product" will look like. So, I am thinking this will be a hot topic for many months to come.

If I attend the update, I will report back what they said in order to compare and contrast what others have reported here. I would appreciate if you and others would report their findings as well.

Can you trust anything a salesperson says?