Wyndham Privileges: new Wyndham VIP Levels starting late 2020 [Merged]

[SNA27]

I love Archie Bunker however un-PC he was! So I am going to say @Grammarhero is Archie Bunker and @Braindead is Extreme Couponer!
But wait, why the hell would they be opposed to each other, pray tell? [Comment removed by moderator]

 

[SmithOp]

I believe we're all divine spirits with our own internal magnetism and a moral compass! Our moral compass will be guided by our internal magnetism and external magnets will have scant influence on our moral compass if our internal magnets are strong!

I just spent a nice week in Sedona to celebrate my 66th circuit around the sun. I visited several vortexes which helped realign my internal magnetism, I highly recommend it!

PS: I think we might be neighbors, I live 10 min from SNA.


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[dgalati]

I just spent a nice week in Sedona to celebrate my 66th circuit around the sun. I visited several vortexes which helped realign my internal magnetism, I highly recommend it!

PS: I think we might be neighbors, I live 10 min from SNA.


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Sedona was one of the most beautiful areas we have visited next to Mt St Helens and Columbia gorge area of Washington state. My wife and I enjoyed the daily hikes along with the beautiful scenery and many small hometown restaurants. I Highly recommend this location. P. S. Thats why @SNA is refered to the Duke on the TUG boards.

 

[Braindead]

Privileges is the program that will supersede the current VIP program. Of course the sales and marketing division is going to attempt to sell more points.

I guess I’d like to take a step back here and ask a question. Is our collective goal to get Wyndham to never again sell retail timeshare developer points and to bankrupt the organization that manages and oversees the entire timeshare system in the process?

I’ve always been under the assumption that our goal is to help hold the timeshare companies accountable about their miserable sales and marketing practices yes? That said, at least in some cases the tone of some who post here seems to be more the former and not the latter, which makes little to no sense to me.

@Jan this isn’t directed at you to be clear, but your post brought this line of thought to my mind. . We all certainly have our idiot moments - it’s part of the human experience to be sure. I have had more than my fair share over time.


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In case OP aren't aware HitchHiker71 and I are very much in agreement about Wyndham having a quality product but how their outmoded sales practices don't reflect that. We acknowledge the problems they face in restructuring their sales model but both believe it can be done and at some future date will have to be done for them to stay a viable business in this age of information.

Many of us do understand that Wyndham is a business and the goal of a business is to make money. Definition: Business is the activity of making one's living or making money by producing or buying and selling products (such as goods and services). However there are some people who seem to labor under some misapprehensions in regards to that.

I can tell you what was on my mind when I posted my remark. I had just switched over to reading the TUG threads after being on Facebook and seeing all the posts in the two Wyndham owners groups I belong to. Seeing over and over ad nauseam the ridiculous number of naive and indignant posts in those Facebook groups and the content of those posts about "I was lied to by the Wyndham sales people" and then coming here on TUG and seeing more of the same thing pushed me over my limit. If you've bought directly from Wyndham, especially if you've bought more than once, gone to sales presentations and updates and can say you were never, ever lied to then you are a timeshare unicorn. That is pretty much true of all the timeshare companies with the possible exception being Disney Vacation Club.

However what really bothers me about it is the people who appear to use every opportunity they can find to denigrate Wyndham and/or VIP/Privileges and cast shade on the people they consider fools for spending the money to have those benefits. They take every opportunity to shove that knife in about how those benefits can change or disappear. They seem to take unholy joy in inciting those naive and indignant people into becoming Wyndham or VIP/Privileges haters. It frustrates me to see the naive and indignant owners fall prey to being manipulated by those people. One of us, join us on the dark side and be one of us. I'm making a joke about it but that's what it feels like to me.

I want to bump HitchHiker71 & Jan M. excellent posts back up to get this thread back on topic.
I thought my post last night was on topic with their post.
Obviously others didn’t see it on topic. For that apologize to ALL.
I also didn’t expect to see the absolute hatred the next poster showed[screenshot above] with someone liking that hatred within 5 minutes.
For that to come from a TUG Leader is unbelievable to me.

I don’t know if others have noticed the drop off of some regular posters in this forum over the last 6 months like I & others have!!
A couple of months ago I received a very nice thoughtful PM from a regular poster asking if I was alright since I hadn’t posted much lately. Yes I was alright just tired of the crap.
I believe this forum is going down hill fast.
You can no longer say you’re a proud happy Wyndham Owner little alone say your a proud happy VIP Wyndham Owner on this forum & feel good about it.
I remember a thread a poster wanted to know if there are any happy Wyndham owners here.
Think about that for a little while. Why would that be a question that needs answered??
We’ve lost more regular posters this week not just me.

From my wife of almost 40 years[the only one I’ve had] & I along with our close knit family with children & grandchildren,
We wish all the Wyndham Owners,Trolls , Agents & all families on TUG a prosperous 2020
and a Happy New Year!!!!

 

[Cyrus24]

We wish all the Wyndham Owners,Trolls , Agents & all families on TUG a prosperous 2020
and a Happy New Year!!!!

Happy New Year to you and your family, BD!!!

 

[CO skier]

I believe this forum is going down hill fast.

Like a 4-man bobsled with no brakes, "... if it’s going sideways, it’s not going forward.”

Ain't that the truth.

Happy 2020 to all.

 

[Grammarhero]

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I want to bump HitchHiker71 & Jan M. excellent posts back up to get this thread back on topic.
I thought my post last night was on topic with their post.
Obviously others didn’t see it on topic. For that apologize to ALL.
I also didn’t expect to see the absolute hatred the next poster showed[screenshot above] with someone liking that hatred within 5 minutes.
For that to come from a TUG Leader is unbelievable to me.

I don’t know if others have noticed the drop off of some regular posters in this forum over the last 6 months like I & others have!!
A couple of months ago I received a very nice thoughtful PM from a regular poster asking if I was alright since I hadn’t posted much lately. Yes I was alright just tired of the crap.
I believe this forum is going down hill fast.
You can no longer say you’re a proud happy Wyndham Owner little alone say your a proud happy VIP Wyndham Owner on this forum & feel good about it.
I remember a thread a poster wanted to know if there are any happy Wyndham owners here.
Think about that for a little while. Why would that be a question that needs answered??
We’ve lost more regular posters this week not just me.

From my wife of almost 40 years[the only one I’ve had] & I along with our close knit family with children & grandchildren,
We wish all the Wyndham Owners,Trolls , Agents & all families on TUG a prosperous 2020
and a Happy New Year!!!!

I apologize. I lost my cool. I said things that were off-mark and out-of-line. Obviously, I was frustrated with the nearly week long disagreement. I spent dozens of hours researching and compiling TS state law tables, and to see its helpfulness being questioned was disheartening to me.

Back to my TUG Wyndham self-exile.

 

[Fredflintstone]

I apologize. I lost my cool. I said things that were off-mark and out-of-line. Obviously, I was frustrated with the nearly week long disagreement. I spent dozens of hours researching and compiling TS state law tables, and to see its helpfulness being questioned was disheartening to me.

Back to my TUG Wyndham self-exile.

In my mind, you done right with all the work you did on your own time and during the holiday season. Thank you for all you did and are doing! Happy New Year to you and your family.

BD, I do wish you all the best in the New Year as well. May you have a very healthy and happy 2020!

And to everyone else, a very Happy New Year! May your future travels be rewarding and memorable! Good health to all as well!


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[dgalati]

I apologize. I lost my cool. I said things that were off-mark and out-of-line. Obviously, I was frustrated with the nearly week long disagreement. I spent dozens of hours researching and compiling TS state law tables, and to see its helpfulness being questioned was disheartening to me.

Back to my TUG Wyndham self-exile.

Thank you for your contributions to helping many that are in need of this useful information. Happy New years to all. I am thankful for all the information and helpful posts that helped me understand the Wyndham system and timesharing industry.

 

[dgalati]

Like a 4-man bobsled with no brakes, "... if it’s going sideways, it’s not going forward.”

Ain't that the truth.

Happy 2020 to all.

Haha! Couldn't you find another example without besmirching the Italians? Where is Ron P. When you need backup?

 

[HitchHiker71]

Wow, I certainly didn’t mean for my posts to incite a firestorm nor to reignite old flames so to speak, so for that I apologize. That said, I expected what I was asking to certainly incite some healthy debate of course.

To return to the topic at hand, I expect we will learn some additional information specific to Privileges in the early part of 2020. Hang tight until then folks. Happy New Year to all in the interim!


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[dgalati]

Wow, I certainly didn’t mean for my posts to incite a firestorm nor to reignite old flames so to speak, so for that I apologize. That said, I expected what I was asking to certainly incite some healthy debate of course.

To return to the topic at hand, I expect we will learn some additional information specific to Privileges in the early part of 2020. Hang tight until then folks. Happy New Year to all in the interim!


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Thanks hitchhiker for all your positive posts and knowledge. May you have a healthy and happy new year .

 

[Manzana]

Happy New Year to everyone. I look forward to meeting you all one day on a family vacation.

 

[SNA27]

It's good to remember that Wyndham has many fine resorts and are run by some of the very best people! While grousing about their sales tactics, we must remember that we won't have anything to do with Wyndham if their resorts are poorly run or ill-maintained.

I fondly remember the exceptional service I received at Wyndham Vacation Resorts Towers on the Grove at North Myrtle Beach in February 2019. I had booked a 1BR Oceanfront (with VIP upgrade from Studio OF). My wife hated the layout with the kitchen and bathroom opposite each other in a long narrow apartment. I could see online that a 2BR was available and I went to the reception soon after check-in and asked if I could pay the additional points and move to the 2BR. I had worked out all the point difference. She said she will have to get the manager's approval but I will have to pay a lot more points than I had calculated. Anyway, we ended up staying in the 1BR the first night! (2/14 and our anniversary!)

The next morning I went down to see if they have gotten the approval. The manager seemed very busy. Wife and I wait patiently. He finally comes and sits with us next to our sofa and understands the situation. Then he gets his people to move us to a beautiful Corner 2BR OF on the 8th Floor. He's a CA native from SFO and he feels we, as Platinum members, should have been accommodated immediately the previous night since 2BRs were available. He apologizes and waives all the point difference. On top of this, he sends his people to get us a gift card for $100 just for the inconvenience. Not the Amex one which charges you $3 per month. A totally fee-less Visa debit card! 2BR OF right in the corner was a beautiful apartment. The manager's name is Dan Hudson!

Recently in July, we bumped into him Wyndham Nashville. He had just taken over recently as the manager for that beautiful resort! He has extensive experience in the Hospitality business and he's a fine gentleman! I have no doubt he will go places within Wyndham! We weren't eligible to attend the presentation or for the gifts BECAUSE WE HAD JUST BOUGHT at Fairfield Glades! He goes to the concierge and asks to get us some sightseeing pass. He tells them to charge to his CC. But I had to refuse. Wyndham gifting me is one thing but him paying is something else! I could see Nashville staff seem to really like him!

So remembering people like Dan Hudson or Michael Neal Atkins and several other great people I have met, I have no regrets about my hefty investment in Wyndham! Kudos to all those people and many unnamed hardworking people who make Wyndham Resorts an enjoyable experience!

Happy New Year to you all! May 2020 be better than years before! I am counting on it! God bless!

 

[SNA27]

"We recently bought' could be a great excuse to get out of being WOWtured!
When I mentioned it to the Concierge at Nashville, her face drooped and she couldn't get rid of us fast enough!
Next stop Glacier Canyon (check-in for Sundara Cottages): I didn't mention it, the concierge was thrilled to sign us up for WOW! I was promised all kinds of gifts! But next morning I got a call at the Cottage telling us we don't qualify to attend! When we showed up at Glacier Canyon to find information about sightseeing, the manager of the concierge apologized and gave us a big brownie chocolate cake!

On to Chicago. And the Concierge thinks it doesn't matter. But he calls upstairs and finally gives up on us as PNG because WE BOUGHT RECENTLY!
On to Austin. The most persistent Concierge. He just wouldn't give up! He makes frantic calls and finally gives up!
San Antonio. The 14-day quarantine period for accursed buyers is over! Thank God, it was just a low-pressure site. The guy interviews us and gets our feedback and lets us go!

And I am finally rid of all my Amex cards with $3 fees deducted. My sons helped us blow it all! And gifted the $100 Visa to my son's caretaker! We have to go and undergo some WOWture and acquire more of those Amex cards we never seem to use in time!

 

[Eric B]

"We recently bought' could be a great excuse to get out of being WOWtured!
When I mentioned it to the Concierge at Nashville, her face drooped and she couldn't get rid of us fast enough!
Next stop Glacier Canyon (check-in for Sundara Cottages): I didn't mention it, the concierge was thrilled to sign us up for WOW! I was promised all kinds of gifts! But next morning I got a call at the Cottage telling us we don't qualify to attend! When we showed up at Glacier Canyon to find information about sightseeing, the manager of the concierge apologized and gave us a big brownie chocolate cake!

On to Chicago. And the Concierge thinks it doesn't matter. But he calls upstairs and finally gives up on us as PNG because WE BOUGHT RECENTLY!
On to Austin. The most persistent Concierge. He just wouldn't give up! He makes frantic calls and finally gives up!
San Antonio. The 14-day quarantine period for accursed buyers is over! Thank God, it was just a low-pressure site. The guy interviews us and gets our feedback and lets us go!

And I am finally rid of all my Amex cards with $3 fees deducted. My sons helped us blow it all! And gifted the $100 Visa to my son's caretaker! We have to go and undergo some WOWture and acquire more of those Amex cards!

If Club Wyndham won't WOW you in Austin, you might ask if you can get WOWed by WorldMark. The body snatchers there work for both. If you do get to a sales pitch (or even if you don't), the good coffee machine is on the east side of the 22nd floor and does a grind and brew, also a decent cappuccino & macchiato. (I'm an effete coffee snob, after living in Italy for several years, in addition to being an effete beer snob.) The one in the waiting room they take you to near the elevator is one of the type you put a packet in to make muddy tasting brown water.

You should look up Brandon the maintenance guy there; he gave us much better local tips and recommendations than the folks in the lobby.

 

[SNA27]

Effete? Are you sure?

 

[SNA27]

If Club Wyndham won't WOW you in Austin, you might ask if you can get WOWed by WorldMark. The body snatchers there work for both. If you do get to a sales pitch (or even if you don't), the good coffee machine is on the east side of the 22nd floor and does a grind and brew, also a decent cappuccino & macchiato. (I'm an effete coffee snob, after living in Italy for several years, in addition to being an effete beer snob.) The one in the waiting room they take you to near the elevator is one of the type you put a packet in to make muddy tasting brown water.

You should look up Brandon the maintenance guy there; he gave us much better local tips and recommendations than the folks in the lobby.

I stayed on the 18th floor 2 BR PR. I didn't know I could have gone up and gotten good coffee instead of going down to the lobby! 10th floor didn't have much!

 

[Eric B]

From the 12 Beers of Xmas thread:

I saw something on tv, was it this morning on CBS Sunday Morning, about some company where the gal "discovered" some kind of "beach violets" or something, a wildflower...and turned it into a special fermented brew for effete snobs, er, I mean, high-end consumers. Kinda makes me want to throw up...and I haven't even drunk anything today!

... doing my best not to react, but secretly pleased at being called an effete snob. At least she didn't accuse me of being a hipster....

Wasn't my characterization initially, by I'm good with the decadence part....

 

[dgalati]

I stayed on the 18th floor 2 BR PR. I didn't know I could have gone up and gotten good coffee instead of going down to the lobby! 10th floor didn't have much!

Patience grasshopper.

 

[SNA27]

@Eric B, If I were you, I would've disaWOWed 'effete' and insisted on being at best a 'gourmet' or at worst a 'gourmand'! And ridiculed her affinity to swill!

 

[SNA27]

Patience grasshopper.

The guy who died from fatal autoerotic asphyxiation is going to show me the way! Haha!

 

[SNA27]

From my wife of almost 40 years[the only one I’ve had] & I along with our close knit family with children & grandchildren,
We wish all the Wyndham Owners,Trolls , Agents & all families on TUG a prosperous 2020
and a Happy New Year!!!!

37 years and no daughters-in-law and no grandchildren! Pity me! You obviously are way ahead of me in this game called 'life'! Salud! Namaste!

I would like to assure you that it's not all bleak as you seem to have resigned yourself to believe!
Wyndham is the brand! As long as it upholds itself such that it's coveted by resale buyers and rent-from-VIP fanboys, it's all good!
I would only start worrying if the resorts are not maintained properly and nobody wants to have anything to do with Wyndham and don't even grouse about its sales weasels!

I wish you a very happy new year! I hope 2020 is as great as I am counting on it to be! God Bless you and yours!

 

[Braindead]

37 years and no daughters-in-law and no grandchildren! Pity me! You obviously are way ahead of me in this game called 'life'! Salud! Namaste!

I would like to assure you that it's not all bleak as you seem to have resigned yourself to believe!
Wyndham is the brand! As long as it upholds itself such that it's coveted by resale buyers and rent-from-VIP fanboys, it's all good!
I would only start worrying if the resorts are not maintained properly and nobody wants to have anything to do with Wyndham and don't even grouse about its sales weasels!

I wish you a very happy new year! I hope 2020 is as great as I am counting on it to be! God Bless you and yours!

I am a very happy proud Wyndham VIP Platinum PR owner!!
At a Margaritaville Resort now in a 3 br PR unit with family, this morning we sat on the balcony having a cup of coffee talking with the grandkids while listening & watching the waves. Priceless!!!! I have no regrets on our purchases from Wyndham!
As Cyrus24 posted most of us have a story of hard times in our lives. I was within an eyelash of bankruptcy in the 80s so like many here I survived & thrived.

I was referring to here on TUG.
Most of the regular posters that have left or haven’t posted much in the last few months are VIPs: Why??
It‘s been posted that:
It’s stupid -fools with their $$ - worst thing that you could do- it never pays for itself to buy from Wyndham.
Let me be clear a TS purchase should not be financed!! Wyndham sales practices are horrible !!
But I will say we’ve found a couple of sales people that are very honest & helpful!! I can text or call anytime & get an answer!

I’m tired of being falsely accused & then beaten to a pulp with it. Example is in the locked thread:
”How many thousands of TS owners have stopped paying MFs due to what they read in your post? We don’t know”
A question that the answer could be 0!! Instead I’m beaten over the head saying I ACCUSED someone for thousands of owners not paying MFs.

I’ve been self employed my entire career & from a business standpoint here’s something I’d do if I was in charge at Wyndham.
Resell owners are my least favorite customer base staying at the resorts. Why? They’re the least likely to buy from Wyndham. There a few of us that purchased resell & then made purchases from Wyndham to be VIPs but we’re very rare purchasers.
I would tell the resorts to give them the worst units. Why? give them every incentive possible to come buy from Wyndham. Yet resell owners ask for units as if they’re VIPs & sometimes get upset when they’re told no. I don’t blame them for asking but I wouldn’t honor those request saying if you want better treatment come make a purchase.

Renters: I have a better chance of making a sell here verses a resell owner. We’ve had reports here that renters on an owner rental have made purchases from Wyndham. I’d give this group the middle of the road units.

VIPs & direct purchases: do everything I can for them including giving them the best units. They can be my best advertisers & endorsers of my great product. They’re more apt to be a repeat buyer from Wyndham.

On Privileges: I look for a ho hum when everything is done.
Why not just change the point requirements & add 2 new levels? New CEO wants new VIP name.
I’ll repeat myself by saying I don’t need new benefits just give me the benefits that I should be getting now like room request should be mandated that the resorts honor the request.

 

[CO skier]

Haha! Couldn't you find another example without besmirching the Italians? Where is Ron P. When you need backup?

It was not four Italians I was thinking of. That was an allegory for those I think are driving this forum downhill fast. (I could not find a 6-man bobsled video). Congratulations on (barely) making the four-man cut, but every Wyndham forum reader, I am sure, have their own downhill team in mind.