Wyndham Privileges: new Wyndham VIP Levels starting late 2020 [Merged]

[dgalati]

VIP benefits - I will never upgrade again.
Upgraded to a product that has the ability to keep changing is a set up for the need to upgrade again. I got to Gold and many of the benefits are not consistently provided or honored, either by the inability to do so or them changing them.

Whats your take on being able to use resale points as a VIP benefit?

 

[Braindead]

Whats your take on being able to use resale points as a VIP benefit?

Talk about moving on, you’ve been hammering on this for months? Why?
Do you want the cost of your rentals to go up?
Do you want fewer rentals to be available?

Go ahead if you think your mission is to hurt me!! I have enough developer points for my discounts & upgrades!!

Your mission is to hurt yourself & all renters! EH business will increase thanks to you! So go right ahead!!
Last minute Wyndham rentals right here on TUG will dry up!!
Your favorite “ rent from a VIP for less than paying MFs” will be gone!!

Currently your crusade is to hurt ALL owners, renters & Wyndham!!!! Why??

 

[HitchHiker71]

Anyone who didn't think that Privileges was a marketing scheme to sell more points and it wasn't going to be abused by salespeople is an idiot in my book. Not saying I don't have my own idiot moments but this isn't one of them. Lol.

Privileges is the program that will supersede the current VIP program. Of course the sales and marketing division is going to attempt to sell more points.

I guess I’d like to take a step back here and ask a question. Is our collective goal to get Wyndham to never again sell retail timeshare developer points and to bankrupt the organization that manages and oversees the entire timeshare system in the process?

I’ve always been under the assumption that our goal is to help hold the timeshare companies accountable about their miserable sales and marketing practices yes? That said, at least in some cases the tone of some who post here seems to be more the former and not the latter, which makes little to no sense to me.

@Jan this isn’t directed at you to be clear, but your post brought this line of thought to my mind. . We all certainly have our idiot moments - it’s part of the human experience to be sure. I have had more than my fair share over time.


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[Braindead]

I guess I’d like to take a step back here and ask a question. Is our collective goal to get Wyndham to never again sell retail timeshare developer points and to bankrupt the organization that manages and oversees the entire timeshare system in the process?

I’ve always been under the assumption that our goal is to help hold the timeshare companies accountable about their miserable sales and marketing practices yes? That said, at least in some cases the tone of some who post here seems to be the more the former and not the latter, which makes little to no sense to me.

Be ready to be ridiculed, you’re now an Official Wyndham Troll & a shill!!!!!! Welcome to the club!!lol

 

[Braindead]

Privileges is the program that will supersede the current VIP program. Of course the sales and marketing division is going to attempt to sell more points.

I guess I’d like to take a step back here and ask a question. Is our collective goal to get Wyndham to never again sell retail timeshare developer points and to bankrupt the organization that manages and oversees the entire timeshare system in the process?

I’ve always been under the assumption that our goal is to help hold the timeshare companies accountable about their miserable sales and marketing practices yes? That said, at least in some cases the tone of some who post here seems to be the more the former and not the latter, which makes little to no sense to me.

@Jan this isn’t directed at you to be clear, but your post brought this line of thought to my mind. . We all certainty have our idiot moments - it’s part of the human experience to be sure. I have made more than my fair share over time.


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So you know what I was talking about. Oh & yes notice who likes it. We’re not alone as dgalati says ”there are many agents”

 

[Braindead]

I for one think this forum & maybe TUG altogether has become a joke!!
I’ll never recommend another Wyndham owner to checkout TUG as long as this crap is tolerated!!!!!!

 

[Jan M.]

Privileges is the program that will supersede the current VIP program. Of course the sales and marketing division is going to attempt to sell more points.

I guess I’d like to take a step back here and ask a question. Is our collective goal to get Wyndham to never again sell retail timeshare developer points and to bankrupt the organization that manages and oversees the entire timeshare system in the process?

I’ve always been under the assumption that our goal is to help hold the timeshare companies accountable about their miserable sales and marketing practices yes? That said, at least in some cases the tone of some who post here seems to be the more the former and not the latter, which makes little to no sense to me.

@Jan this isn’t directed at you to be clear, but your post brought this line of thought to my mind. . We all certainty have our idiot moments - it’s part of the human experience to be sure. I have made more than my fair share over time.


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In case OP aren't aware HitchHiker71 and I are very much in agreement about Wyndham having a quality product but how their outmoded sales practices don't reflect that. We acknowledge the problems they face in restructuring their sales model but both believe it can be done and at some future date will have to be done for them to stay a viable business in this age of information.

Many of us do understand that Wyndham is a business and the goal of a business is to make money. Definition: Business is the activity of making one's living or making money by producing or buying and selling products (such as goods and services). However there are some people who seem to labor under some misapprehensions in regards to that.

I can tell you what was on my mind when I posted my remark. I had just switched over to reading the TUG threads after being on Facebook and seeing all the posts in the two Wyndham owners groups I belong to. Seeing over and over ad nauseam the ridiculous number of naive and indignant posts in those Facebook groups and the content of those posts about "I was lied to by the Wyndham sales people" and then coming here on TUG and seeing more of the same thing pushed me over my limit. If you've bought directly from Wyndham, especially if you've bought more than once, gone to sales presentations and updates and can say you were never, ever lied to then you are a timeshare unicorn. That is pretty much true of all the timeshare companies with the possible exception being Disney Vacation Club.

However what really bothers me about it is the people who appear to use every opportunity they can find to denigrate Wyndham and/or VIP/Privileges and cast shade on the people they consider fools for spending the money to have those benefits. They take every opportunity to shove that knife in about how those benefits can change or disappear. They seem to take unholy joy in inciting those naive and indignant people into becoming Wyndham or VIP/Privileges haters. It frustrates me to see the naive and indignant owners fall prey to being manipulated by those people. One of us, join us on the dark side and be one of us. I'm making a joke about it but that's what it feels like to me.

 

[55plus]

However what really bothers me about it is the people who appear to use every opportunity they can find to denigrate Wyndham and/or VIP/Privileges and cast shade on the people they consider fools for spending the money to have those benefits. They take every opportunity to shove that knife in about how those benefits can change or disappear. They seem to take unholy joy in inciting those naive and indignant people into becoming Wyndham or VIP/Privileges haters. It frustrates me to see the naive and indignant owners fall prey to being manipulated by those people. One of us, join us on the dark side and be one of us. I'm making a joke about it but that's what it feels like to me.

It's resentment or jealousy on there part, pure and simple.

 

[HitchHiker71]

In case OP aren't aware HitchHiker71 are very much in agreement about Wyndham having a quality product but how their outmoded sales practices don't reflect that. We acknowledge the problems they face in restructuring their sales model but both believe it can be done and at some future date will have to be done for them to stay a viable business in this age of information.

Many of us do understand that Wyndham is a business and the goal of a business is to make money. Definition: Business is the activity of making one's living or making money by producing or buying and selling products (such as goods and services). However there are some people who seem to labor under some misapprehensions in regards to that.

I can tell you what was on my mind when I posted my remark. I had just switched over to reading the TUG threads after being on Facebook and seeing all the posts in the two Wyndham owners groups I belong to. Seeing over and over ad nauseam the ridiculous number of naive and indignant posts in those Facebook groups and the content of those posts about "I was lied to by the Wyndham sales people"and then coming here on TUG and seeing more of the same thing pushed me over my limit. If you've bought directly from Wyndham, especially if you've bought more than once, gone to sales presentations and updates and can say you were never, ever lied to then you are a timeshare unicorn. That is pretty much true of all the timeshare companies with the possible exception being Disney Vacation Club.

However what really bothers me about it is the people who appear to use every opportunity they can find to denigrate Wyndham and/or VIP/Privileges and cast shade on the people they consider fools for spending the money to have those benefits. They take every opportunity to shove that knife in about how those benefits can change or disappear. They seem to take unholy joy in inciting those naive and indignant people into becoming Wyndham or VIP/Privileges haters. It frustrates me to see the naive and indignant owners fall prey to being manipulated by those people. One of us, join us on the dark side and be one of us. I'm making a joke about it but that's what it feels like to me.

Jan thanks for taking the time to express in lucid detail what I so tersely was attempting to elucidate. I’m two days out from an unplanned ER visit and not quite myself so please know I do very much agree 100% with what you’ve written here and agree with your frustrations expressed regarding the subset of posters here on TUG who take the endless opportunities to unconstructively and repetitively pile on to the negative narrative so to speak. It’s almost like a competition of sorts is somehow in play, for what exactly I’m uncertain, but regardless I for one always try to consciously choose cooperation, which is the stronger and better of the two choices IME.


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[Jan M.]

I’m two days out from an unplanned ER visit

Sorry to hear that. I hope you are feeling much better soon!

 

[SNA27]

I get a strange satisfaction, almost amounting to vindication, reading the above posts by fellow shills, trolls and agents of Wyndham!

 

[SNA27]

I scored a debut century or a 'Gordie Howe Hat trick' according to @T-Dot-Traveller with my first post a month ago! I still have all kinds of ideas about how to shore up resale values. I decided it's better to write CEO Michael Brown about it rather than post them here! I have learnt a lot on TUGBBS since and hopefully my ideas will be more polished!

 

[Braindead]

Want to break Wyndham or help put them out of business, look no farther than TUG
This is ridiculous!!!! Wyndham took it easy on owners & TUG allows it to be broadcast so more will do the same without giving it a second thought!!

 

[Grammarhero]

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Want to break Wyndham or help put them out of business, look no farther than TUG
This is ridiculous!!!! Wyndham took it easy on owners & TUG allows it to be broadcast so more will do the same without giving it a second thought!!

I’m trying to help TS owners who are no longer able to afford Wyndham, who are worried about their credit scores, and deficiency judgments.

[Personal observations directed at another poster have been deleted. Address the topic/issue , not each other.]

 

[Grammarhero]

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Want to break Wyndham or help put them out of business, look no farther than TUG
This is ridiculous!!!! Wyndham took it easy on owners & TUG allows it to be broadcast so more will do the same without giving it a second thought!!

@Jan M. @bendadin @raygo123 @Eric B @Cyrus24 , is this what you support? A tugger’s six-day long, and counting, personal crusade to condemn and discredit another tugger? After everyone else wanted to move on? Seriously, I said that I would no longer post on TUG Wyndham here, as long as I wasn’t personally attacked. [Personal attack removed] @Braindead.

 

[Braindead]

I’m trying to help TS owners who are no longer able to afford Wyndham, who are worried about their credit scores, and deficiency judgments.

[Personal observations directed at another poster have been deleted. Address the topic/issue , not each other.]

That statement is not accurate. Half truths like TS sales people.
You’ve also helped owners that could easily pay their bills. I’ll show examples if you wish
As I’ve said if an owner literally can’t pay their bills it doesn’t matter what state their in or what it does to their credit score.

 

[Grammarhero]

That statement is not accurate. Half truths like TS sales people.
You’ve also helped owners that could easily pay their bills. I’ll show examples if you wish
As I’ve said if an owner literally can’t pay their bills it doesn’t matter what state their in or what it does to their credit score.

Live your life judging other people. [Personal attack removed] I prefer my TUG legacy to be helping and not judging others, yes even financially irresponsible TS owners. Yes, even my financial irresponsible clients with character flaws who spend more than I do, dug themselves into a hole, in which I had to get them out.

it’s so sad your TUG legacy will be just condemning other TS owners and not helping them.

 

[cbyrne1174]

It's resentment or jealousy on there part, pure and simple.

For me I chose not to purchase VIP because of what the members on here tell me. The majority of my stays are in Orlando and Daytona and Wyndham doesn't honor the ability to request units at Bonnet Creek, Reunion or Ocean Walk. If I make a huge retail purchase, I should be able to get a fireworks view at Bonnet Creek if I book it 10 months out during a non-holiday week. At Daytona, I should be able to get one of the one or two bedrooms that are Ocean front at 10 months out. Also, the benefits are only good really only for last minute stays (discounts) and short stays (unlimited RT and HK), and I can get something similar using bonus time with a resale Worldmark contract. Also, if I no longer want my contracts, I can get out of them relatively easily without having sunk in $27,000 for VIPG or $66,000 for VIPP. I'd rather spend my money on a DVC ownership since I can at least sell it for close to what I paid.

That being said, it's more what the perceived value is. My husband drools over the $80,000 2020 GT 500 Mustang because of it's insane horsepower and I find it a huge waste of money because cars have the worst depreciation and there's no practical use for 760 horse power, but to him it goes VROOOM and therefore he wants it.

 

[SNA27]

@Braindead @Grammarhero
Excuse me guys, when a thread is locked, you don't carry a 'very personally directed' fight onto some other thread and get it locked too! Please start a new thread!

 

[Cyrus24]

@Jan M. @bendadin @raygo123 @Eric B @Cyrus24 , is this what you support? A tugger’s six-day long, and counting, personal crusade to condemn and discredit another tugger? After everyone else wanted to move on? Seriously, I said that I would no longer post on TUG Wyndham here, as long as I wasn’t personally attacked. Evidentially, that was not enough for Martyr Complex @Braindead.

I recognize that a retail points Wyndham ownership is not for everyone so I support the work this site does in helping the unsuspecting rescind and helping those that need to exit an ownership accomplish that exit. I also appreciate the help given to those that want a VIP ownership. I happen to be a very a happy VIPP owner, so, I want Wyndham to be around for a while. And, I don't want Wyndham taking away benefits. What I don't like coming from some members of this board are attacks on those of us who own developer points. Remember, were it not for us, there would be no Wyndham. I have opinions on the variety of legal schemes that board members are involved in and those opinions generally fall into the 'be careful not to hurt yourself or other members' category. While I can not speak for individual owners, I see that some speak from a total long term ownership perspective while others speak from a more short term personal owner perspective. Meaning, our perspectives on 'schemes', renting, VIP benefit reductions, etc. will be different. And those difference in opinions can be quite strong.

[Personal attack removed], I’d rather die or consider myself a failure.

Easy. You are coming off as being a bit judgmental. Just saying. We all need a break.

@Braindead @Grammarhero
Excuse me guys, when a thread is locked, you don't carry a 'very personally directed' fight onto some other thread and get it locked too! Please start a new thread!

Agree.

 

[Grammarhero]

@Braindead @Grammarhero
Excuse me guys, when a thread is locked, you don't carry a 'very personally directed' fight onto some other thread and get it locked too! Please start a new thread!

I will return back to my self-imposed TUG Wyndham exile, unless personally attacked again.

 

[Fredflintstone]

That statement is not accurate. Half truths like TS sales people.
You’ve also helped owners that could easily pay their bills. I’ll show examples if you wish
As I’ve said if an owner literally can’t pay their bills it doesn’t matter what state their in or what it does to their credit score.

@Braindead,

I will only comment on this one last time.

Ask yourself:

1. Do you or do you not believe everyone has a right to have full access to legal information regardless of topic, income, race, culture, disability, gender or age?
2. Do you or do you not believe Wyndham has resources to defend their interests?

3. Do you or do you not believe you are authorized to speak on behalf of Wyndham? If so, please supply evidence of same.

4. Do you or do you not have access to the bank accounts and assets of those who you claim can afford MF or is that an assumption on your part? If so, please supply evidence of same.


If you are an owner, why not focus on why you love your Wyndham Ownership instead of worrying about what others choose to do?

I am sure you have a lot of good things to share as an owner. If you are an employee or authorized representative, please state that and tell us the wonderful things Wyndham offers its owners. Either way, you can be a valuable resource.

IMO, leave the legal pieces to Wyndham’s law department. I can tell you after reading many Wyndham contracts, they are cracker jacks who protects Wyndham’s interests well.

As for Owners, let them decide which direction they wish to go with their Wyndham ownership.

As for @Grammarhero, providing legal information is lawful. As an attorney, providing legal advice is lawful too. HE IS DOING NOTHING WRONG. So, please move on.

Thank you.




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[SNA27]

@Braindead, I must object to your crusade against @Grammarhero. You should not be afraid of free speech. It's an elitist view to think that the speech of which you don't approve must be suppressed lest unwashed masses be corrupted!
Corruptible will be corrupted in spite of protection and the incorruptible will never be corrupted in spite of exposure! That's the nature of man and this universe!

 

[SNA27]

I believe we're all divine spirits with our own internal magnetism and a moral compass! Our moral compass will be guided by our internal magnetism and external magnets will have scant influence on our moral compass if our internal magnets are strong!

 

[cbyrne1174]

Archie Bunker vs Extreme Couponer.