WorldMark - Wyndham Club Pass

[ronparise]

Can Wyndham owners use Worldmark inventory as units for rent ? The info on the Worldmark site say that us WM owners can not use Wyndham inventory as rentals.

I do not see the Wyndham London Harbour listed anywhere as an affiliated resort. Is this one off the list ?

Thanks
Bill

Rental of any club pass reservation is not allowed

 

[cotraveller]

As Ron pointed out in the other Club Pass thread, the Wyndham Club Pass resorts are now shown on the Resort Gallery Map on the WorldMark Web site. I went through the map and counted 79 Wyndham resorts listed, plus 18 more that have both WorldMark and Wyndham units.

That is a lot more than the 55 resorts that the pre-announcement says WorldMark owners will have access to when Club Pass goes live in June. Will we (WorldMark owners) really have access to all of the Wyndham resorts shown? Or will the list be culled to 55 resorts? Time will tell.

 

[lcml11]

As Ron pointed out in the other Club Pass thread, the Wyndham Club Pass resorts are now shown on the Resort Gallery Map on the WorldMark Web site. I went through the map and counted 79 Wyndham resorts listed, plus 18 more that have both WorldMark and Wyndham units.

That is a lot more than the 55 resorts that the pre-announcement says WorldMark owners will have access to when Club Pass goes live in June. Will we (WorldMark owners) really have access to all of the Wyndham resorts shown? Or will the list be culled to 55 resorts? Time will tell.

The list will go up, if anything, not down.

Anyone know anything about the critter call Vacation Internationale that showed up?

 

[CO skier]

Anyone know anything about the critter call Vacation Internationale that showed up?

WorldMark has a direct exchange agreement with certain Vacation Internationale locations. Similar to WorldMark, VI is a mostly western US timeshare system. I think the locations are available to book by any WorldMark owner but only as an Affiliate Rental, no special Pass is required; at $0.15 per credit, VI reservations are expensive by WorldMark standards.

The first building constructed at the Village at Steamboat was a VI location. Two additional WorldMark buildings were constructed on the site in the early 2000s, so the relationship goes back a few years.

It is interesting that the VI locations are included through Wyndham Club Pass. It really did open up the whole WorldMark system to Club Wyndham owners who can use it.

 

[CO skier]

... That is a lot more than the 55 resorts that the pre-announcement says WorldMark owners will have access to when Club Pass goes live in June. Will we (WorldMark owners) really have access to all of the Wyndham resorts shown? Or will the list be culled to 55 resorts? Time will tell.

From the first release of the Wyndham Club Pass FAQ last year, the resort accessibility was listed as "more than 55 resorts". It was never limited to just 55 resorts.

 

[cotraveller]

WorldMark has a direct exchange agreement with certain Vacation Internationale locations. Similar to WorldMark, VI is a mostly western US timeshare system. I think the locations are available to book by any WorldMark owner but only as an Affiliate Rental, no special Pass is required; at $0.15 per credit, VI reservations are expensive by WorldMark standards.

There are currently 6 VI resorts available for direct booking by WorldMark owners. Three in Hawaii, one in Idaho, and two in Mexico. They are booked just like any other WorldMark resort using your WorldMark credits. All normal WorldMark booking rules apply, including the use of Bonus Time if it is available. An exchange fee is added which I think is currently $129 for a full week and prorated for shorter or longer stays. We booked 1 night at the VI Villas de Santa Fe on Bonus Time in 2007 before WorldMark had a resort there.

These resorts are not part of Wyndham Club Pass on the WorldMark side. As CO skier said, they are available through a direct exchange agreement with VI. I have not heard anything about those resorts going away when Club Pass goes online.

 

[lcml11]

WorldMark has a direct exchange agreement with certain Vacation Internationale locations. Similar to WorldMark, VI is a mostly western US timeshare system. I think the locations are available to book by any WorldMark owner but only as an Affiliate Rental, no special Pass is required; at $0.15 per credit, VI reservations are expensive by WorldMark standards.

The first building constructed at the Village at Steamboat was a VI location. Two additional WorldMark buildings were constructed on the site in the early 2000s, so the relationship goes back a few years.

It is interesting that the VI locations are included through Wyndham Club Pass. It really did open up the whole WorldMark system to Club Wyndham owners who can use it.

Thanks for the info.

 

[markb53]

Dots on the Map

The WorldMark Resorts are on the Wyndham website map and the Wyndham Resorts are on the WorldMark website map. It says they expect to allow booking in early June, which we already knew. Plus it says if you make a new purchase you will get access starting March 1st.

I was at Wyndham Angels Camp last weekend and the enticement to do an "update" was that I would get to reserve into the 55+ new resorts early. I said "no thanks" don't think I want to know how to reserve early.

Haven't heard anything lately about the Shell Properties that are supposed to become affiliates. They are not on the map yet.

 

[am1]

Regardless of how it works how easy will this make selling Wyndham to buyers?? What will the be the next biggest system? With RCI pricing themselves out of the market, $99 a reservation is a pretty good deal. Ill use wyndham points for wyndham resorts and worldmark credits for worldmark resorts when if I travel out west and the Wyndham resorts are not suitable.

I do not like people taking my inventory but its the way it will be.

 

[lcml11]

The WorldMark Resorts are on the Wyndham website map and the Wyndham Resorts are on the WorldMark website map. It says they expect to allow booking in early June, which we already knew. Plus it says if you make a new purchase you will get access starting March 1st.

I was at Wyndham Angels Camp last weekend and the enticement to do an "update" was that I would get to reserve into the 55+ new resorts early. I said "no thanks" don't think I want to know how to reserve early.

Haven't heard anything lately about the Shell Properties that are supposed to become affiliates. They are not on the map yet.

Thanks for the update. The 55 plus 8 community that was being pitched at Shawnee Village confirms that it was referring to Club Wyndham Pass, in the minds of the sales people.

 

[ronparise]

I do not like people taking my inventory but its the way it will be.

Its not your inventory, its our inventory, and if some of us choose to trade their share for a vacation outside the system....why not?

The point is your inventory isnt being taken, your fellow owners are trading their share instead of using it themselves

 

[am1]

That may be true but for someone who does not want to trade it is taking out inventory that is available to me. Most likely higher demand inventory than lower demand inventory in relation to whats available at 9 months to check in.

I would prefer this not be implemented. Just like I do not like CWA giving owners ARP at all of their resorts.

I do see why Wyndham and other owners would.

Its not your inventory, its our inventory, and if some of us choose to trade their share for a vacation outside the system....why not?

The point is your inventory isnt being taken, your fellow owners are trading their share instead of using it themselves

 

[lcml11]

That may be true but for someone who does not want to trade it is taking out inventory that is available to me. Most likely higher demand inventory than lower demand inventory in relation to whats available at 9 months to check in.

I would prefer this not be implemented. Just like I do not like CWA giving owners ARP at all of their resorts.

I do see why Wyndham and other owners would.

I think it has already been established through the Wyndham sites involved that Associate Resorts formally available without a exchange fee appear to be gone. That being said, what appears to be emerging is that the distinction between the CWP and CWA inventories my becoming moot.

I do not remember which thread or post it showed up in, but if memory served, one poster was speculating that they may be drawiing from a common base for actual availability of units since points are the apparent currency and not actual units.

 

[ronparise]

That may be true but for someone who does not want to trade it is taking out inventory that is available to me. Most likely higher demand inventory than lower demand inventory in relation to whats available at 9 months to check in.

I would prefer this not be implemented. Just like I do not like CWA giving owners ARP at all of their resorts.

I do see why Wyndham and other owners would.

If there was no Club Pass those owners would stay in their own system. The inventory doesnt change and the number of owners doesnt change

Regarding CWA...the odds of getting a reservation doesnt change either.

Consider a hypothetical 100 unit nearly sold out resort with 5000 deeded owners so for any one week there are potentially 5000 owners that want a reservation. Any owners chance of getting one is 5000 in 100 2%

Now lets assume that the developer approaches all 5000 owners and convinces 20% of them to convert their points to something called CWA and to support this new club a corresponding 20% of the units at our resort are placed in trust for this new club. That means 4000 owners of the original deeds, and only 80 units. so now for any particular week your chances of getting a reservation are 4000 in 80 or 2%

So in terms of your chances of getting a reservation nothing changes


It doesnt matter to me if this is implemented or not. For me and all the resale owners its a non issue. And I dont think its going to mean much to even the retail buyers...there just wont be much prime inventory left in either system at 9 months. The folks that this is going to help are the salesmen that get to point at all the dots on the map

 

[lcml11]

If there was no Club Pass those owners would stay in their own system. The inventory doesnt change and the number of owners doesnt change

Regarding CWA...the odds of getting a reservation doesnt change either.

Consider a hypothetical 100 unit nearly sold out resort with 5000 deeded owners so for any one week there are potentially 5000 owners that want a reservation. Any owners chance of getting one is 5000 in 100 2%

Now lets assume that the developer approaches all 5000 owners and convinces 20% of them to convert their points to something called CWA and to support this new club a corresponding 20% of the units at our resort are placed in trust for this new club. That means 4000 owners of the original deeds, and only 80 units. so now for any particular week your chances of getting a reservation are 4000 in 80 or 2%

So in terms of your chances of getting a reservation nothing changes

Impressive Magic Math. All owners do not want ARP at their own resort. That is what made point systems take off.

 

[comicbookman]

Impressive Magic Math. All owners do not want ARP at their own resort. That is what made point systems take off.

And the above nonsense comment brought to you by the math challenged. Since the number of actual owners at each sold out resort cannot change, The same number of owners have ARP system wide. Which means the same number of units will be available at 10 months. The only effect CWA has is to maybe change which resorts those units are at any given time. So if you did not buy your unit for the ARP, your availability does not change.

 

[vacationhopeful]

ARP is important to different people for different reasons. That is WHY there are LOTS of ICE CREAM FLAVORS.

Here on TUG, I try to get a new possible timeshare owner to THINK before buying something ... even on the resale market, a poor timeshare purchase will haunt an owner for YEARS with MFs and possible handicap in booking the BEST RESERVATION for their family.

Do you have to buy ONLY for ARP? NO! But know what those letters mean.

Do you have to buy ONLY for the lowest MF per 1,000 points? NO! But understand that might mean something else in booking your dream vacations.

Yes, I pay MORE in MFs to get the reservations important to ME during the ARP reservation window. MY CHOICE ...

 

[ronparise]

And the above nonsense comment brought to you by the math challenged. Since the number of actual owners at each sold out resort cannot change, The same number of owners have ARP system wide. Which means the same number of units will be available at 10 months. The only effect CWA has is to maybe change which resorts those units are at any given time. So if you did not buy your unit for the ARP, your availability does not change.

and if you bought a deeded ownership at your favorite resort for the ARP, your odds of getting a reservation wont change, no matter the number of units switched over to CWA

 

[am1]

and if you bought a deeded ownership at your favorite resort for the ARP, your odds of getting a reservation wont change, no matter the number of units switched over to CWA

Is the amount of units that CWA owners can arp fixed or is it just a certain amount of points that can be arped at each resort for the year?

I use ARP with two of my contracts. With CWA I would use every point with
ARP.

 

[am1]

but WHY are we paying $99 MORE for the something where WE OWNERS are doing the typing? HOW much did that COMPUTER ENHANCEMENT COST for use owners to type in the GUEST CERTIFICATE?

I have kicked in 6 figures for the computer enhancement already.

 

[bnoble]

That may be true but for someone who does not want to trade it is taking out inventory that is available to me.

It's no different than those owners booking it for their own use, or to rent, or to provide a direct exchange. It's just other owners making use of their time.

 

[lcml11]

Is the amount of units that CWA owners can arp fixed or is it just a certain amount of points that can be arped at each resort for the year?

I use ARP with two of my contracts. With CWA I would use every point with
ARP.

Use all of your CWA points for ARP if you want. Picking the resorts that are in CWA but not in the members directory as CWA resorts could have some great finds. I was amazed with what surfaced at Ocean Walk.

 

[lcml11]

Any new gossip from the Worldmark side?

Maybe sales update hype, people cutting grass, or any other source?

 

[ronparise]

Any new gossip from the Worldmark side?

Maybe sales update hype, people cutting grass, or any other source?

only gossip, and like most of the gossip you post, not worth repeating

 

[vacationhopeful]

Use all of your CWA points for ARP if you want. Picking the resorts that are in CWA but not in the members directory as CWA resorts could have some great finds. I was amazed with what surfaced at Ocean Walk.

Be amazed in dream land all you want -- post it on the sightings thread to prove your good neighborly ways with your fellow Tuggers. Share ypur amazement!

On wait ... you would have to pay $15 in yearly membership fees ... does that make you a "RE****" Tugger?