WorldMark - Wyndham Club Pass

[ronparise]

That would be five systems and my comments center around two of the five. If owners in Shell, Wyndham Club Plus, and WorldMark that are interested in following their own club or clubs, then they may very well might want to follow closely what was referred to as "One Company" in a recent owners update. Topics discussed at the update was the emerging changes pertaining to availability pools, Shell Properties, the increased use of the the term Communities, and a new community being referred to as 55 plus 8, and Wyndham Club Pass. The two programs that primarily were mentioned were the old Fairfield properties and the existing Wyndham Club Plus/Access program.

I think where you go wrong is right here (Ive underlined and bolded it in your comment quoted above) when you say Club Pass is the 5th Wyndham timeshare system...it is not.

Wyndham Vacation Ownership develops, markets and sells vacation ownership interests and provides consumer financing to owners through its four primary consumer brands,

CLUB WYNDHAM®,
WorldMark by Wyndham,
Wyndham Vacation Resorts Asia Pacific and
Shell Vacations Club.

Club Pass is an exchange program to enable members of Club Wyndham and Worldmark to use each others resorts. It will probably be extended to Shell and my guess is Asia Pacific too


That you think of Club Pass as a new collection of resort inventory leads you down a wrong road.

 

[cotraveller]

Wyndham is not listed as the owner on the deeds to the WorldMark properties, and Wyndham is officially only the manager and developer for WorldMark, but for all practical purposes Wyndham Vacation Ownership owns WorldMark the Club.

No argument from me on that point. That's the way it is and the way it always has been. Trendwest -> Cendant -> Wyndham, the manager/developer has always been in control.

 

[lcml11]

I think where you go wrong is right here (Ive underlined and bolded it in your comment quoted above) when you say Club Pass is the 5th Wyndham timeshare system...it is not.

Wyndham Vacation Ownership develops, markets and sells vacation ownership interests and provides consumer financing to owners through its four primary consumer brands,

CLUB WYNDHAM®,
WorldMark by Wyndham,
Wyndham Vacation Resorts Asia Pacific and
Shell Vacations Club.

Club Pass is an exchange program to enable members of Club Wyndham and Worldmark to use each others resorts. It will probably be extended to Shell and my guess is Asia Pacific too


That you think of Club Pass as a new collection of resort inventory leads you down a wrong road.

The five are Wyndham Club Plus/Access, Shell Vacation Club, FantaSea Resorts, Bluegreen, WorldMark. I should have counted Plus and Access as two different ones, different Board of Directors, different form of ownership Deeds vs. Certificates.

Also did not include the Sands Ocean Club system in Myrtle Beach nor the many programs associated with the resorts mentioned.

You have raised a interesting concept. Wyndham Club Pass being considered its own system. This very well may be were this new kid on the block is going. Nice thinking, I guess I am at six now under this concept.

 

[Bigrob]

The five are Wyndham Club Plus/Access, Shell Vacation Club, FantaSea Resorts, Bluegreen, WorldMark. I should have counted Plus and Access as two different ones, different Board of Directors, different form of ownership Deeds vs. Certificates.

Also did not include the Sands Ocean Club system in Myrtle Beach nor the many programs associated with the resorts mentioned.

You have raised a interesting concept. Wyndham Club Pass being considered its own system. This very well may be were this new kid on the block is going. Nice thinking, I guess I am at six now under this concept.

Wait... what? Did Wyndham acquire Bluegreen? Maybe Marriott and Disney too? I thought Bluegreen was acquired by Woodbridge Holdings, LLC, a subsidiary of BFC Financial? Are you suggesting BFC Financial is a shell corp secretly held by Wyndham?

 

[lcml11]

Wait... what? Did Wyndham acquire Bluegreen? Maybe Marriott and Disney too? I thought Bluegreen was acquired by Woodbridge Holdings, LLC, a subsidiary of BFC Financial? Are you suggesting BFC Financial is a shell corp secretly held by Wyndham?

You lost me on this one. We were talking about which systems I knew about. The five I listed are all different systems. Some of them are under the Wyndham Worldwide control and some are not.

Bluegreen and Wyndham are not the same. FantaSea Resorts is a small resort operator. They had three locations in Atlantic City among other locations. One went to Bluegreen and it has been awhile, but I heard it was going to go back to them.

Bluegreen has a resort across the street from the Ocean in Myrtle Beach and one in Hershey Pa. Those are the three that I am most familar with.

Sands Ocean Club had some sort of affiliation with Fairfield and they apparently went different directions. Wyndham last heard still had some units there. Years ago there was chatter that they might get back together with Wyndham. Wyndham even had a sales desk in their lobby for awhile. Nothing went final as far as I know.

WorldMark the Club, WorldMark by Wyndham, Club Wyndham Access, Club Wyndham Plus, Wyndham Rewards, RCI, Wyndham Club Pass, Shell Vacation Club, and Plus Partners are all under the control of or are owned by Wyndham Worldwide, I believe. Some question on who is going to end up in control when the day is done with WorldMark, the Club. Time will tell.

 

[comicbookman]

You lost me on this one. We were talking about which systems I knew about.

Given the incredible amount of misinformation you have posted about Wyndham, I don't think you can claim to "know about" any Wyndham unit. Your posts make the sales weasels sound honest. You make baseless assumptions and assertions, constantly mislabel things and pull "facts" and conclusions out of thin air. Occasionally you misquote or take written material out of context to support your often contradictory pronouncements, which confuses the casual reader even more. Finally, you use 2 different aliases to congratulate and agree with yourself. Your posts mostly subvert the main function of these forums, which is to inform, answer questions and share insights.

 

[Bigrob]

You lost me on this one. We were talking about which systems I knew about. The five I listed are all different systems. Some of them are under the Wyndham Worldwide control and some are not.

Bluegreen and Wyndham are not the same. FantaSea Resorts is a small resort operator. They had three locations in Atlantic City among other locations. One went to Bluegreen and it has been awhile, but I heard it was going to go back to them.

Bluegreen has a resort across the street from the Ocean in Myrtle Beach and one in Hershey Pa. Those are the three that I am most familar with.

Sands Ocean Club had some sort of affiliation with Fairfield and they apparently went different directions. Wyndham last heard still had some units there. Years ago there was chatter that they might get back together with Wyndham. Wyndham even had a sales desk in their lobby for awhile. Nothing went final as far as I know.

WorldMark the Club, WorldMark by Wyndham, Club Wyndham Access, Club Wyndham Plus, Wyndham Rewards, RCI, Wyndham Club Pass, Shell Vacation Club, and Plus Partners are all under the control of or are owned by Wyndham Worldwide, I believe. Some question on who is going to end up in control when the day is done with WorldMark, the Club. Time will tell.

I thought you were saying there were five systems within Wyndham. Upon re-reading your message, you were saying you understand 5 timeshare systems.

 

[lcml11]

Maybe more people should share the results of what the "Sales Wessals" from Wyndham are saying. Maybe then everyone can look for the kernal of truth from their presentations.

Putting the kernals together can be interesting and informative.

Also, maybe people should read through the the Wyndham report that was posted on a recent thread. It might be a educational experience.

Just as a side line comment: My Platinum means nothing. I checked with Wyndham today on when I may be able to start using the Wyndham Club Pass system. It is in operation. Unfortunately, I am not one that will be permitted to use the early reservation period.

Oh well, I guess there goes all my best locations in California that I might have been interested in. I am sure they will be gone before my day 1 starts.

 

[benyu2010]

Wyndham Club Pass is relatively benign for most WorldMark owners.

The point is that whether the WM BOD had any reason to approve or disapprove based on the impact to owners does not enter their thought process. The WM BOD is just a nominal figurehead. Wyndham determines the direction for WorldMark the Club when it comes to major decisions such as new programs (TravelShare, Wyndham Club Pass), fee increases, new resorts.

Wyndham is not listed as the owner on the deeds to the WorldMark properties, and Wyndham is officially only the manager and developer for WorldMark, but for all practical purposes Wyndham Vacation Ownership owns WorldMark the Club.

As long as it improves the product and vacation experience, no harm no foul...

 

[vacationhopeful]

...Oh well, I guess there goes all my best locations in California that I might have been interested in. I am sure they will be gone before my day 1 starts.

Take you $99 reservation fee per visit via Club Wyndham Pass and just buy yourself some Shell points.

You have been intently learning all there is to timeshare vacation renting and with your Platinum VIP ownership, you are should RENT and use that money to pay for your Western USA vacations.

You could also sign up this WinPoint to manage your Platinum VIP ownership --- then you really could vacation even more!

 

[ronparise]

Wyndham Club Pass is relatively benign for most WorldMark owners.

The point is that whether the WM BOD had any reason to approve or disapprove based on the impact to owners does not enter their thought process. The WM BOD is just a nominal figurehead. Wyndham determines the direction for WorldMark the Club when it comes to major decisions such as new programs (TravelShare, Wyndham Club Pass), fee increases, new resorts.

Wyndham is not listed as the owner on the deeds to the WorldMark properties, and Wyndham is officially only the manager and developer for WorldMark, but for all practical purposes Wyndham Vacation Ownership owns WorldMark the Club.

I think its important to re emphasize this comment from Co Skier

Wyndham Club Pass is relatively benign for most WorldMark owners.

I would go farther and say its not going to affect most of us at all. Most of us bought into Wyndham or Worldmark for access to some of the resorts, not all of them, Adding the possibility of 55 more resorts, that we werent interested in anyway, to the mix is not a big deal. If we had wanted those resorts ( or some of them), we probably would have already bought into the other system already

Its important to realize that this is a developer "add on" it doesnt change what we already own, and it doesnt take anything away from existing owners. What it does do is to add more dots to the map that the sales force can use to convince a new prospect to buy.

 

[lcml11]

Take you $99 reservation fee per visit via Club Wyndham Pass and just buy yourself some Shell points.

You have been intently learning all there is to timeshare vacation renting and with your Platinum VIP ownership, you are should RENT and use that money to pay for your Western USA vacations.

You could also sign up this WinPoint to manage your Platinum VIP ownership --- then you really could vacation even more!

Not a bad idea on Shell points for Western US timeshares. This is especially true if the rumored cross access between Shell and Wyndham comes to Wyndham Club Access and/or Wyndham Club Pass.

 

[DeeDibble]

World Mark exchanges to Wyndham

I have been to 3 updates in the last 6 weeks in south Florida. At each update the presenter and salespeople talked about the up coming exchanges between Wyndham and Worldmark. Needless to say I got 3 different stories about how the exchanges work. I am hearing from 2 of them that there is a $99 exchange fee. A 3rd one says there will not be a fee. Anyone know? Next question: at one point I heard that any of the exchanges until a 10 month window, one person said at a 9 month window. Does anyone know?

 

[PassionForTravel]

It's $99 and 9 months.

Ian

 

[ronparise]

and its for retail buyers only

 

[benyu2010]

and its for retail buyers only

plus plenty of pre-jun 2006 grandfathered accounts...

 

[lcml11]

plus plenty of pre-jun 2006 grandfathered accounts...

Also apparently plus some Wyndham related groups right to rent from that availability pool.

 

[rleigh]

[........]it doesnt take anything away from existing owners[.....]

WM owner here. Maybe I have an incorrect understanding. I thought that the affiliates that had no fee before will now have a $99 fee? Or will there still be a select few available without the fee?

I thought they will all become subjected to the fee now. That definitely is taking something away from me. I know the inventory and resorts changed sometimes, but there were always a select few to choose from.

 

[vacationhopeful]

WM owner here. .... That definitely is taking something away from me. .....

And Corporate Wyndham will be happy to take yours and my $99 as a fee to book what was included with our club membership before.

As a Wyndham points owner, I have seen so many of these fees needlessly increase for no justifiable reason --- like the GUEST CERTIFICATE fee from $29 as a call in center fee to $49 (about 2 month duration) to a $129 call in fee while telling us owners, that the improvement of having been added to the online computer system would ONLY COST us owners $99. $30 MORE to use the call center (was $29 before) - same as the cost before ($1 higher technically), but WHY are we paying $99 MORE for the something where WE OWNERS are doing the typing? HOW much did that COMPUTER ENHANCEMENT COST for use owners to type in the GUEST CERTIFICATE?

 

[ronparise]

WM owner here. Maybe I have an incorrect understanding. I thought that the affiliates that had no fee before will now have a $99 fee? Or will there still be a select few available without the fee?

I thought they will all become subjected to the fee now. That definitely is taking something away from me. I know the inventory and resorts changed sometimes, but there were always a select few to choose from.

yep...you lost that.

I never saw the inventory. I guess you always got there before me

 

[ronparise]

And Corporate Wyndham will be happy to take yours and my $99 as a fee to book what was included with our club membership before.

As a Wyndham points owner, I have seen so many of these fees needlessly increase for no justifiable reason --- like the GUEST CERTIFICATE fee from $29 as a call in center fee to $49 (about 2 month duration) to a $129 call in fee while telling us owners, that the improvement of having been added to the online computer system would ONLY COST us owners $99. $30 MORE to use the call center (was $29 before) - same as the cost before ($1 higher technically), but WHY are we paying $99 MORE for the something where WE OWNERS are doing the typing? HOW much did that COMPUTER ENHANCEMENT COST for use owners to type in the GUEST CERTIFICATE?

Linda

I see the fees as an extra cost for an extra service. Not something you ever have to pay.

 

[rleigh]

yep...you lost that.

I never saw the inventory. I guess you always got there before me

I managed to utilize it a couple of times. So yeah, even thought it may just break down to an extra $99 every couple of years for me, when I actually go to make that booking that extra amount is really an *ouch* and would get in the way.

Not big deal in the scheme of things, but it does affect me.

 

[lcml11]

Linda

I see the fees as an extra cost for an extra service. Not something you ever have to pay.

Unless it was a lost benifit that you used.

 

[ronparise]

Unless it was a lost benifit that you used.

I think I miss-used the word benefit. and as a result you dont get the point Im making and that is the benefit of affiliate resorts is not an entitlement.

Certainly if an owner ever made a reservation at an affiliate resort or even if they thought they might ever want to make a reservation at an affiliate resort, and that resort is now not an affiliate.....they lost a benefit with the creation of Club Pass

The point Im trying to make is that the opportunity to make reservations at an affiliate resort is (or was) a benefit of ownership, It never was an entitlement. Much like VIP benefits. They are there now, and we VIP's use them and I for one benefit from them, but they are not part of what we own. They are extras provided to some of us but not something that we are entitled to. VIP benefits can be taken away or changed or we can be charged more for them at any time.

 

[easyrider]

Can Wyndham owners use Worldmark inventory as units for rent ? The info on the Worldmark site say that us WM owners can not use Wyndham inventory as rentals.

I do not see the Wyndham London Harbour listed anywhere as an affiliated resort. Is this one off the list ?

Thanks
Bill