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Westin St John Master Thread - Part 3 [Dec. 2017 and forward]

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What is the minimum night requirement for a stay? I've been looking to add 4 nights onto a stay and tonight when I check the dashboard gives me an error that "this resort has a minimum stay requirement" I've been checking for availability for months and now I'm getting an error. :( I tried changing to 5 nights, just for giggles and received the same error. Of course it's Sunday...
 

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What is the minimum night requirement for a stay? I've been looking to add 4 nights onto a stay and tonight when I check the dashboard gives me an error that "this resort has a minimum stay requirement" I've been checking for availability for months and now I'm getting an error. :( I tried changing to 5 nights, just for giggles and received the same error. Of course it's Sunday...
I think it’s 2 but it may very well be 3
 

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What is the minimum night requirement for a stay? I've been looking to add 4 nights onto a stay and tonight when I check the dashboard gives me an error that "this resort has a minimum stay requirement" I've been checking for availability for months and now I'm getting an error. :( I tried changing to 5 nights, just for giggles and received the same error. Of course it's Sunday...
I have booked multiple contiguous stays because of my ownerships and the minimum stay is three nights.
However, in my CV and SB owners manual it says I can book 1-14 nights. If I needed to I would call to challenge the three night minimum. I suspect that is only for SO resies, not CV snd SB owners
 

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I think it’s 2 but it may very well be 3
I think the availability has dried up...but that isn't the error I'm receiving.
 

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I think the availability has dried up...but that isn't the error I'm receiving.
I also checked for months the first time I reserved CV because I had enough points for 15,nights but the max you could book in one resie was 14. When I tried to book that last night I was told about the three night minimum.
I believed what they/CS said.
I have since found out and it is in writing on the website that I am permitted to book as few as one night using HomeOptions.
Assuming yours is a SO resie to tag onto your owned week, so you would be subject to the three night minimum.
That doesn't explain why you were getting the error message for 4&5 nights.
Sorry!
 

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I also checked for months the first time I reserved CV because I had enough points for 15,nights but the max you could book in one resie was 14. When I tried to book that last night I was told about the three night minimum.
I believed what they/CS said.
I have since found out and it is in writing on the website that I am permitted to book as few as one night using HomeOptions.
Assuming yours is a SO resie to tag onto your owned week, so you would be subject to the three night minimum.
That doesn't explain why you were getting the error message for 4&5 nights.
Sorry!
I booked 17 nights in one for this Sept using SO?
 

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How about this?
There is a resort evacuation going on for some buildings (not ours, but friends in B44, and heard main pool deck cleared).
No response from Westin yet.
Stay tuned…


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Since it looks like you are there..are they charging 25$ a night? Maybe its waived for owners I think? As in actual St. John owner. We have never paid it but we were using owners actual week.
Thanks
 

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Since it looks like you are there..are they charging 25$ a night? Maybe its waived for owners I think? As in actual St. John owner. We have never paid it but we were using owners actual week.
Thanks
Everyone pays the sin tax
 

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I thought StarOption reservations could be up to 21 nights? I can't login to Vistana.com to confirm though.
Interesting. The time I wanted 15 nights it was with home options. I know my ownership states 1-14 days.
If it is 21 that is good to know!
 

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Since it looks like you are there..are they charging 25$ a night? Maybe its waived for owners I think? As in actual St. John owner. We have never paid it but we were using owners actual week.
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Every Timeshare stay pays - $25/nite - charged to CC upon checkout.
Been this way for a few years (2017 iirc)
We are Owners

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Does anyone know if Bay Vista used to be hotel rooms? Trying to figure out some explanation for weird layout at back of two bedroom (sleeps 8)

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Does anyone know if Bay Vista used to be hotel rooms? Trying to figure out some explanation for weird layout at back of two bedroom (sleeps 8)

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Here’s the floor plan, which spot are you looking at?
 

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This area . It's just a strange waste of space.
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Does anyone know if Bay Vista used to be hotel rooms? Trying to figure out some explanation for weird layout at back of two bedroom (sleeps 8)

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Looking at the floor plan, it certainly looks like it was formerly hotel rooms. It would seem odd to have two balconies on a dedicated 2BR unit. The walls also line up exactly as two halfs. So I would say that these 2BR units were previously two hotel rooms.
 

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This area . It's just a strange waste of space.
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Coral Vista, on the ground floor units, also has this space. On the second and third floors it is the entrance from the outside into the unit.
The ground floor units you enter from the patio so this is literally dead space. They don’t even have a closet.
Unfortunately it shares a wall with a bathroom. If it were next to the bedroom they could have made that room bigger.
It is not as noticeable in the studios because the kitchen area is along one wall. They just placed a large wall mirror where the door would have been.
 

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Looking at the floor plan, it certainly looks like it was formerly hotel rooms. It would seem odd to have two balconies on a dedicated 2BR unit. The walls also line up exactly as two halfs. So I would say that these 2BR units were previously two hotel rooms.
That makes sense.

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Coral Vista, on the ground floor units, also has this space. On the second and third floors it is the entrance from the outside into the unit.
The ground floor units you enter from the patio so this is literally dead space. They don’t even have a closet.
Unfortunately it shares a wall with a bathroom. If it were next to the bedroom they could have made that room bigger.
It is not as noticeable in the studios because the kitchen area is along one wall. They just placed a large wall mirror where the door would have been.
I didn't think about ground floor vs 2nd & 3rd floor. You're right we were on 3rd floor last time in Bay Vista.

Not at all impressed with the resort sticking us in a ground floor unit. Time stamp means nothing. I booked at midnight at exactly 12 months!! I requested we be placed in VGV, which they tried the last time when we didn't want to have only 2 kings. We have 4 people, could have put us in a six sleeper unit & made a larger group happy with this unit.

They did provide a bottle of sparkling cider for our guests anniversary.

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I didn't think about ground floor vs 2nd & 3rd floor. You're right we were on 3rd floor last time in Bay Vista.

Not at all impressed with the resort sticking us in a ground floor unit. Time stamp means nothing. I booked at midnight at exactly 12 months!! I requested we be placed in VGV, which they tried the last time when we didn't want to have only 2 kings. We have 4 people, could have put us in a six sleeper unit & made a larger group happy with this unit.

They did provide a bottle of sparkling cider for our guests anniversary.

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VGV is fixed-fixed (w/ Owner float at 10-8 months out), and can only be reserved as a non-Owner using StarOptions at 8 month point.
There is no TimeStamp for VGV at 12 months.


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I didn't think about ground floor vs 2nd & 3rd floor. You're right we were on 3rd floor last time in Bay Vista.

Not at all impressed with the resort sticking us in a ground floor unit. Time stamp means nothing. I booked at midnight at exactly 12 months!! I requested we be placed in VGV, which they tried the last time when we didn't want to have only 2 kings. We have 4 people, could have put us in a six sleeper unit & made a larger group happy with this unit.

They did provide a bottle of sparkling cider for our guests anniversary.

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Weren’t you reserving your Bay Vista unit? At 12 months you should be able to request a building and a floor in your phase. I know there are fixed week owners in BV but I would think you should have gotten your choice.

Asking to be placed in VGV would not be possible as your floating ownership isn’t there. As far as I know, you would only be placed outside your phase if there were an issue with your unit in your phase.

Booking with SO at 8 months you can be placed anywhere but I would still request the area when I make that resie.
 

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I asked to be placed in VGV when I made my reservation since they did that before when I had reserved an 8 person unit they tried to place us in a 6 person unit. I didn't want that for that vacation, this time I was hoping.

But, since they were keeping us in Bay Vista, placing us on ground floor with no view was kinda shitty when I made the res at midnight 12 months. Only advantage to this unit is proximity to grills.



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I asked to be placed in VGV when I made my reservation since they did that before when I had reserved an 8 person unit they tried to place us in a 6 person unit. I didn't want that for that vacation, this time I was hoping.

But, since they were keeping us in Bay Vista, placing us on ground floor with no view was kinda shitty when I made the res at midnight 12 months. Only advantage to this unit is proximity to grills.
The problem is that at 12 months you are making a home resort reservation. I don't think they have the flexibility to be able to move you between phases when you have a home resort reservation like they can do with StarOption reservations.
 

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July 2021

Dear Fellow Member of the Virgin Grand Condominium Owners Association:

We recently participated, as your owner-elected directors, in a conference call meeting of the Association’s Board of Directors.

Status of the resort

General Manager Eugene Martin reported that the resort has been near full occupancy this spring and summer and is expecting occupancy of more than 96% of the units for the remainder of the year. About three fourths of the expected occupancy is from owners, their guests, or people renting from them; the rest are from Vistana Signature Network exchanges into the resort, users of Bonvoy points, or renters of developer-owned units. The beach is fully open. Snorkels continues to be open and was recently allowed by the Virgin Islands authorities to seat people at the bar as well as at tables spaced four feet apart. The Virgin Islands continues to impose restrictions that have been lifted elsewhere; for example, as of this writing, even fully vaccinated persons must wear masks in indoor public places (such as the resort’s lobby) except when eating or drinking, and a negative COVID test within five days before arrival is still required for travel to the U.S. Virgin Islands.

As you know from previous reports, progress toward reopening the Lemongrass restaurant was impeded by the pandemic. The management company is now in the late stages of discussions with a vendor who might operate the restaurant starting late in 2021 or early in 2022. If the negotiations fall through, the resort plans to operate the restaurant itself, possibly on a limited basis.

HVAC-related repairs

Reconstruction of the resort after Hurricane Irma in 2017 left some units subject to microbial infestation, in part because components of the HVAC systems were not properly located or insulated, causing condensation and water damage. The management company agreed that the work necessary to improve and insulate the HVAC systems would be done at its expense. The first phase of that work, mostly on the pool villas, was completed in late 2019 and very early 2020, before the pandemic took hold. The second and final phase of the work will be done in the remaining months of this year.

Specifically, new vertical fan coil units will be installed in the 16 hillside end units. This will require building closets for the equipment, and in buildings 32, 33 and 34, the construction will result in the loss of approximately six square feet of usable space. The Board approved the loss of that space because it will result in significantly improved air quality in the units. In addition, the existing fan coil units in buildings 43 and 44 will be moved to spaces above one of the second floor bathrooms that can better be insulated and that will allow them to be more easily serviced.

This work may involve moving a few owners from their units in the affected buildings to similar units in their reserved weeks this fall, while work is done on their units, but Mr. Martin and his staff are working to keep those disruptions to a minimum.

We want to remind owners not to leave open their front doors, windows, or sliding doors to balconies and decks. Leaving them open lets in the moist tropical air, which facilitates the growth of bacteria and fungus. The air conditioning equipment installed after Hurricane Irma has up-to-date humidity control, but it cannot function as expected if the units are exposed to tropical moisture beyond what is necessary. With the Board’s encouragement, the resort will soon place stickers on the sliding glass doors with reminders to keep them closed.

The sliding panels in buildings 41 and 42

For many years, the vast majority of owners of units in buildings 41 and 42 have asked the Board to replace the sliding panels in the upstairs bedrooms with a solid wall. In 2013, the management company stated that this could not be done without the unanimous consent of owners of the unit in question, as it was considered a material alteration to the unit. For each of the twelve affected units, at least one owner either objected or did not respond to emails and phone calls from management. Marriott Vacations Worldwide (“MVW”) is willing to take a new look at this issue and will report back to the Board in the near future.

Foreclosures and resales

Owners who have not paid their maintenance fees are locked out of their units, and their ownership is liened. Nevertheless, some of these owners have not paid their fees for years, imposing the fixed costs of maintaining the resort on all the rest of us. For the past twelve years, the Board has authorized the initiation of foreclosure proceedings against owners who are seriously delinquent. These lawsuits have resulted in foreclosures by our Association, which is then free to sell the unit-weeks. At our next Board meeting, we will consider authorizing more foreclosure lawsuits against delinquent owners. If you are delinquent, please make arrangements to pay what you owe and avoid the cost and aggravation of having to defend a lawsuit.

We know that some owners have suffered income losses, some of them pandemic-related, and we remind you of what we said in our March report: MVW has to date declined to create a repurchase plan, but it is maintaining a list of owners who want to resell their units to the developer. In addition, MVW is willing to discuss personal circumstances with any owner. To get on the list or discuss your personal situation, call the resale department in Orlando at 866-682-4547, Monday through Friday or email Resale.Operations@mvwc.com. The elected Board members would be pleased to hear reports of experiences from owners who contact this department.

The road

You will recall that MVW plans to sell property it owns up the hill from Virgin Grand, and that in March 2020 it proposed to allow access to the property, for construction and for the purchasers of homes on that property, through the road that leads up to the hillside parking lots. MVW requested that our Board agree to allow the use of that road. All of the Virgin Grand owners we consulted are opposed to opening the road for those purposes and we communicated that to MVW. MVW reported at this meeting that it is not currently considering using the road through Virgin Grand (nor is it considering an alternate route that we’d suggested through Estate Chocolate Hole). Therefore, at least for now, this is no longer an issue for our Association.

Possible future hurricanes

We have begun to give some thought to the role of the six owners associations in the event of a future hurricane or other natural disaster comparable to Hurricane Irma in 2017. We think that advance planning is better than decision-making in the immediate wake of a catastrophe. We have asked the management company for its thoughts about how any future disasters should be handled, and it has promised to respond before our September meeting.

Our personal gratitude to the general manager

We want to add that we have a great deal of confidence in Eugene Martin, who has now completed more than a year as General Manager. He has been extremely responsive to owner concerns, and he has just reinstated his weekly on-property forums with owners, which he had to discontinue during the pandemic. We encourage you to share with him your thoughts about the resort, both negative and positive. He is trying very hard to make the experience at the resort a joyful one for owners and their families and guests.

David Futransky
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Philip Schrag
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This is reminding me; has anyone in VGV gotten their tax bill yet? I am going to check the tax website but I feel I have usually gotten it by now.
 
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