Copy and pasting from the other thread so we can discuss specific items here.
• Here are some answers for you from my source: I didn't choose the questions to answer, nor do I have any info about this topic myself, and I posted the response verbatim, so you'll have to take the answers below at face value.
• My source has agreed to do one more round of questions, for now.
Main question. How is the DC or exchange vehicle being funded with Sheraton/Westin inventory?
When someone elects to DC points, that inventory gets placed in DC inventory
does mandatory resale week and voluntary weeks have capability to elect marriott points, or only enrolled weeks are allowed?
NO resales qualify and once live we will not retro weeks, they are out of luck
What is the cost, if any, for Vistana owners to participate in the new program (Either an “enrollment fee” or purchase requirement) and is it different if they are already Marriott points owners (trust or enrolled)?
No cost to enroll in DC points. The VSN club dues will change, more to come, its actually higher but better, no more fees after that
Is the election for Vistana into DC a one time decision or an annual decision (like currently exchanging for Bonvoy/Interval)?
Every year you decide what does and does not go in DC. You can split but each VOI can't be split, you owns a 148,100 flex, it all goes in or none of it
Regarding 3, 4, 5 Star.
That transfers over to DC Ownership levels as you indicated.
Does the Vistana level still determine Bonvoy status or is it based on DC Status of Executive, Chairman, Etc.?
Higher levels of DC status get Bonvoy Titanium. We discussed 3 star 4 star and 5 star. if for some reason you are not at that level but your points convert to DC and it hits that level, you get it
Can Vistana ownership DC points-equivalence be added onto MVC DC points to achieve a higher status?
pretty sure the answer is yes
When (date) will owners actually be able to start electing their Vistana ownership for Club Points?
This summer for 2023 usage
When will we be officially notified of this merger, as Vistana owners?
summer for 2023 usage, pretty much when it happens. This is a soft rollout. Just like when Marriott did it, one day it's old, one day its new
are the details in contract form or is this information from someone you trust (but still only verbal)
none of this in contract. As Denise know's My information is accurate and yes owners are trusting us. Sales are brisk already
Interesting info. My only thought right now is why does WFlex convert at a lower rate than SFlex and Aventuras?
100,000 SFX gets you 2920, WFX, 3469, Aventuras 3333 sorry, WFX and SFX was backwards, good catch by a poster
(separate topic)
FYI HARBORSIDE AND RIVERFRONT .. WON'T BE INCLUDED PROBABLY UNTIL 2024 .everything else is in
Do 3* and above get "Platinum for LIFE" or Platinum as long as you maintain TS-Status" like current Marriott TS-Owners who are also eligible for "Titanium"?
yes ownership must be current
With Marriott, you have until Sept 30 (Oct 31 for higher ownership levels) of the year prior to your use year to elect Club Points. So for 2022 use year, Marriott owners had to elect points by Sept 30, 2021. I suspect for Vistana, they will be electing for 2023 use year from the start
I have one more video to watch, will know soon. FYI I CANNOT answer any questions on the MVC side
Conversion for deeded weeks is complicated. Orlando weeks, not great, Lagunamar pretty good, Kanapali good to very good. Pretty much what you would expect !!
Vistana will STOP selling Flex soon enough, I don't have a date. We will then sell DC points. My guess is whatever is not sold will get dumped into DC points plus, as I said, when people elect, those options get dumped in also. Even though TUGers are very skeptical, I can't imagine any Vistana owner isn't thrilled with this info except for resale owners of course. We sold for years, to get to 5 Star and get Platinum for life. Well now MVC says, just get to 3 Star and we will give you it
Adding additional responses;
More answers from my source
Are they still tweaking the program or is it completely set?
yes, tweaking is a good term. Nanea & St John are getting tweaked as an example. I think some things could change slightly. What I pretty much know won't change is Elite status and what they will get with CLUB POINTS
How do resale owners retro before this goes live?
Call a site or the corporate office
Once VSN dues are raised to match MVC dues, will Vistana owners be able to do Vistana to Marriott exchanges for free through II instead of paying the current discounted exchange fee?
Each property has their own dues. Remember, a weeks owner will NEVER be a points owners, they will just be able to convert
I would also like to know if StarOption Banking Fees and Guest Cert Fees also go away if one still uses StarOptions.
yes, ALL addon fees are going away. The VSM membership fee with be adjusted at a flat rate depending on your Marriott level. I am not ready to give that but I think it's a much better value.
Assume 1-Developer & 2-Flex are eligible to participate in the DC-Program. correct
Assume that Resale-Enrolled [3-Mandatory or 4-Voluntary] can also participate in the DC-Program.
Sounds like if you a pay a VSN fee, you can convert, if you don't pay a fee you can't
Will Resale-Non-Enrolled [5-Mandatory or 6-Voluntary] units be eligible to participate in the DC-Program for an additional cost?
resale owner will not be able to convert. I am pretty sure mandatory owners will not be able to convert also.
Does this mean that all eligible [Developer + Enrolled] Vistana owners get automatically enrolled for "No Fees"?
We are being told no fee. Can that change ? I have no clue. I can only tell you how I was told to present it to the owners so I think it will stay no fee
We have heard mixed messages over the past year about WSJ (specifically Sunset Bay platinum) participating in DC conversion at a good exchange level (as good or better than Nanea, WFX etc) previously and had more recently heard that it would not be participating at all (all via owners updates, so we are skeptical). Any confirmation of WSJ in or out and exchange value possibilities?
great question. They pulled WSJ & Nanea to readjust the conversion. My 30,000 ft view says it was because St John was way to low and will go up and Nanea OF and resort view ere the same which makes no sense so they will fix that. I don't think the FLEX weeks will change at all. I don't see any chance WSJ will be out. My opinion is this is our most expensive resort rental wise so they will want those people in to deposit the weeks/options
Will there be any changes to banking? Deadline dates?, fees?, banking for 2 years?
I am pretty sure if you keep your Vistana with Vistana, all those rules will stay the same. good question. As mentioned all additional fees will go away and the CLUB DUES will go up. I can share this nugget, II exchanges will be included in the new CLUB dues. No, I will give them now but all it all it's a win IMHO.
