No prizes. Of course anything is possible, but nothing will be free. Regardless of how you acquired your ownership. It might be cheaper if you bought direct but any enrollment will come with a fee. I also don't see them simply converting on an SO to DC conversion. They won't give you a certain number of DC points based on the number of SOs your week is worth, they would assign your specific week a DC point value. SO am 81K week in Orlando probably would get fewer DC points than an 81K week in Hawaii. For FlexOptions and HomeOptions, those will likely convert on an SO to DC basis.
SOs don't work the same as DC points. WIth DC points, you have skim. Meaning you get 2000 points but to book a week back in to the same resort would cost you 2200. Inherently they give you fewer points than it costs to book other like properties and weeks. SOs don't work the same way. I get 81,000 SOs and gan go to another resort or back in to another week at my same resort without losing anything. There is no skim in the VSN. If they forced DC upon me, I would not be happy. If they allow me to enroll and continue to use VSN, I would be happy.
this is a very compelling argument.
If i may add one more comment to your point and thank you for clarifying that to me. There is a lot of overlap between Vistana and Marriott. As a Vistana mandatory owner you do not need MVC to go to Hawaii, Colorado, Arizona, Florida and so on. I can count on the fingers the places where i would like to go to and i can get there just through Marriott however, they all seem to be available in Interval almost all the time (St Kits, Aruba etc) So what exactly do i need the DP for? Nice to have but not a "necessity" as far as I am concerned.
Skim applies to DPs you exercise in a given use year, when you use those points to stay at another resort in the program. If you purchase Destination Points there is no skim, but they are expensive and carry a higher maintenance fee.
I see what you are saying but it seems that it would apply to Staroption owners since we did not buy DP. If they do a simple conversion though with no skim that would be fine although i do not know how they would reconcile that with the Marriott owners. Again, i do not think that I would agree with any skim on our Vistana resorts let alone paying anything for that.
Another big issue is how the DC chart is setup vs the SO chart. I lightly touched on this earlier, but currently a Lagunamar 2BR platinum week is worth the same as a Hawaii 2BR week. While Marriott doesn't have any Mexican resorts to compare, I simply don't see them allotting close to the same number of points for Lagunamar as they do for any property in Hawaii. If so, there would be no way that someone gets the same amount of points for their Lagunamar week to get them back in to Hawaii like they can today (with no loss of points). So in DC someone using a WLR week would no longer get enough points to go to Hawaii. Perhaps if they did a straight SO to DC conversion they would, but I doubt they would do that because in reality, is Mexico as valuable as Hawaii? Vistana didn't even think it was and they only upped the number of StarOptions for the Platinum season as WLR after sales were poor starting out.
You could do the comparison using Arizona or Orlando vs Hawaii as example where both systems have resorts.
Yes, I mentioned something to the effect in the last sentence of my post. I didn't know the number of SOs the platinum weeks originally provided.
Marriott owners that enroll their weeks still pay the MF on the underlying week. Nothing changes. They just have the opportunity to convert their week to DC points.Interesting discussion. I always learn a lot from fellow Tuggers
If one enrolls their week in DC points are they required to pay an additional annual MF? Or is that DC trust points only? As we know, SO's don't require additional MF.
while SO's don t require additional Of you do need to pay an SVN fee. Enrolled weeks pay an annual fee. I think there are 2 levels based on the number of points. The annual fees are higher with Marriot. With Marriott you don't pay for guest certs for DC reservations. Marriott to Marriott exchange s when exchanging weeks and retrades are free in II. Higher Hotel status is easier to achieve with DC points including points from enrolled weeks.Interesting discussion. I always learn a lot from fellow Tuggers
If one enrolls their week in DC points are they required to pay an additional annual MF? Or is that DC trust points only? As we know, SO's don't require additional MF.
It is an issue because when you deposit you lose in average 7% of the value if i understand correctly.