Updated Privileges Brochure

[Richelle]

I’m Silver VIP and I don’t like it. We usually try to checkin during that 2-4pm window. Of course, I have seen times when the VIP line was longer than the regular checkin line. And, like you said, I doubt they will refuse to check you in if you’re in that line.

I guess the thing that ticks me off is, I believe they used the words “more and better benefits”. For Silver VIP members, where are they?

There were a few benefits that were added, but the biggest benefit to Silver members is the addition of RARP. This benefit was previously reserved for only Gold and Platinum members. If you want to book a larger room during prime season, you will want to use this benefit. For example, I used it to book the last four-bedroom presidential at Great Smokies lodge over 4th of July week. RARP allows you to book outside your home resort(s) at the 11-month mark instead of having to wait until the 10-month mark. You can book both deeded or CWA inventory at 11 months. Non-VIP have to wait until the 10-month mark to have access to both. This benefit will be especially helpful over the next few years because availability is going to be tighter than normal. So while you might have previously been able to wait until 10 months from check in to book that 4 bedroom presidential, you might not be able to now because you will have more competition for that larger room at the 10-month mark. People have points to burn, so they are going to try and book larger and/or more rooms. The catch to this benefit is that not every resort participates. Most Club Wyndham ones do, but some don't. Resorts where VIP benefits do not apply, do not participate in RARP. The other catch is you can only use that benefit a certain number of times per year. In the case of Silver, that's twice a year. If you cancel the RARP reservation, you don't get that RARP benefit back.

 

[Rolltydr]

There were a few benefits that were added, but the biggest benefit to Silver members is the addition of RARP. This benefit was previously reserved for only Gold and Platinum members. If you want to book a larger room during prime season, you will want to use this benefit. For example, I used it to book the last four-bedroom presidential at Great Smokies lodge over 4th of July week. RARP allows you to book outside your home resort(s) at the 11-month mark instead of having to wait until the 10-month mark. You can book both deeded or CWA inventory at 11 months. Non-VIP have to wait until the 10-month mark to have access to both. This benefit will be especially helpful over the next few years because availability is going to be tighter than normal. So while you might have previously been able to wait until 10 months from check in to book that 4 bedroom presidential, you might not be able to now because you will have more competition for that larger room at the 10-month mark. People have points to burn, so they are going to try and book larger and/or more rooms. The catch to this benefit is that not every resort participates. Most Club Wyndham ones do, but some don't. Resorts where VIP benefits do not apply, do not participate in RARP. The other catch is you can only use that benefit a certain number of times per year. In the case of Silver, that's twice a year. If you cancel the RARP reservation, you don't get that RARP benefit back.

I’m Silver VIP with CWA so I already have ARP at 13 months at all CWA resorts. RARP won’t do much, if anything, for me. I know there are some resorts that don’t have CWA inventory but most do. Am I missing something?

 

[Richelle]

I’m Silver VIP with CWA so I already have ARP at 13 months at all CWA resorts. RARP won do much, if anything, for me. I know there are some resorts that don’t have CWA inventory but most do. Am I missing something?

Your 13-month booking rights apply to CWA inventory only. You do not have access to deeded inventory at those CWA participating resorts. In the case of Canterbury, you have access to less than 1% of the inventory at 13 months. Bonnet Creek is 27% CWA. National harbor is 18%. The rest is deeded inventory. For VIP, you get access to that deeded inventory at 11 months, instead of 10 months. So you would have access to 100% of available inventory instead of a small percentage. That gives you a one month advantage over regular owners.

 

[Rolltydr]

Your 13-month booking rights apply to CWA inventory only. You do not have access to deeded inventory at those CWA participating resorts. In the case of Canterbury, you have access to less than 1% of the inventory at 13 months. Bonnet Creek is 27% CWA. National harbor is 18%. The rest is deeded inventory. For VIP, you get access to that deeded inventory at 11 months, instead of 10 months. So you would have access to 100% of available inventory instead of a small percentage. That gives you a one month advantage over regular owners.

Okay. That makes sense. Thanks for the details.

 

[HitchHiker71]

Your 13-month booking rights apply to CWA inventory only. You do not have access to deeded inventory at those CWA participating resorts. In the case of Canterbury, you have access to less than 1% of the inventory at 13 months. Bonnet Creek is 27% CWA. National harbor is 18%. The rest is deeded inventory. For VIP, you get access to that deeded inventory at 11 months, instead of 10 months. So you would have access to 100% of available inventory instead of a small percentage. That gives you a one month advantage over regular owners.

That reminds me - I need to get ahold of the most recent CWA POS to update the CWA ownership sheet. Does anyone have a recent PDF version of the CWA POS by chance? Like from H2 2019 or 2020? Additionally, if you have an older CWA POS from before 2018 - I'd love to get ahold of the PDF. The CWA POS is the big two inch book that they give you when you purchase CWA developer points during contract signing. It's usually included on the tablet they give you with all of your documentation.

 

[Richelle]

Okay. That makes sense. Thanks for the details.

Just to reiterate one of my comments, because it's very important to keep in mind. VIPs can only do that a certain number of times a year. So for Silver, you can book at 11 months twice a year. Bronze gets 1. Gold, Platinum, and Founders get 3,4, ad 5 respectively. If you end up canceling your reservation, you don't get the RARP you used back. So use them wisely.

 

[dgalati]

Just to reiterate one of my comments, because it's very important to keep in mind. VIPs can only do that a certain number of times a year. So for Silver, you can book at 11 months twice a year. Bronze gets 1. Gold, Platinum, and Founders get 3,4, ad 5 respectively. If you end up canceling your reservation, you don't get the RARP you used back. So use them wisely.

A lot of strings attached to the benefit when canceling. They could charge another $159 for booking at 11 months and probably get it!

 

[CCdad]

Your 13-month booking rights apply to CWA inventory only. You do not have access to deeded inventory at those CWA participating resorts. In the case of Canterbury, you have access to less than 1% of the inventory at 13 months. Bonnet Creek is 27% CWA. National harbor is 18%. The rest is deeded inventory. For VIP, you get access to that deeded inventory at 11 months, instead of 10 months. So you would have access to 100% of available inventory instead of a small percentage. That gives you a one month advantage over regular owners.

Does anyone know if the CWA inventory that’s visible in the online system is a set aside or a block of days and/or unit types by Wyndham (either for ARP or otherwise)?

One other issue I wonder about is that I understood that CWA’s a first come first served booking for that 1% at Canterbury vs 27% at Bonnet Creek. So hypothetically, could snowbirds use up the CWA Bonnet Creek (or any Florida CWA) inventory via ARP in the 1Q of a given year, leaving little if any CWA resort inventory to be booked as ARP for the rest of the year?

How does the points are points at ten months affect whether the CWA inventory is ever made available to Select owners (if it’s a specific set aside of dates/unit types for CWA owners, but wasn’t booked before the ten month window)? Or can Wyndham decide to roll the CWA set aside of inventory?

Just curious to better understand how CWA vs Select inventory is allocated to either ownership group.

 

[schoolmarm]

That reminds me - I need to get ahold of the most recent CWA POS to update the CWA ownership sheet. Does anyone have a recent PDF version of the CWA POS by chance? Like from H2 2019 or 2020? Additionally, if you have an older CWA POS from before 2018 - I'd love to get ahold of the PDF. The CWA POS is the big two inch book that they give you when you purchase CWA developer points during contract signing. It's usually included on the tablet they give you with all of your documentation.

I just PICed my Massanutten week and should have that document in my files. I'll look in the morning... I think it was 400+ pages.

 

[Rolltydr]

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[HitchHiker71]

I just PICed my Massanutten week and should have that document in my files. I'll look in the morning... I think it was 400+ pages.

Yep it’s a big document full of tables and tabular datasets. That’s what I source the CWA ownership sheet from. If you locate it please PM me the file. Many thanks!


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[Richelle]

New supplement. No surprises at first glance. Everything in there is stuff we already discussed here.

https://www.wyndhaminteractivesaleshub.com/club-wyndham/CW_Resort_Directory_Supplement.pdf

 

[cbyrne1174]

New supplement. No surprises at first glance. Everything in there is stuff we already discussed here.

https://www.wyndhaminteractivesaleshub.com/club-wyndham/CW_Resort_Directory_Supplement.pdf

Bronze tier does actually look like it might be worth buying into with a 3 bedroom PIC. You get 1 extra HK token, 1 extra GC, 15% off, suite upgrades at 15 days, plus the extra savings in MF costs by PICing a really low MF 3 bedroom.

 

[comicbookman]

If i read the eligibility section correctly, in order to maintain your tier you are only required to keep above your grandfathered required point total. so if you are currently plat. and have say a little over 1.1 million points, you can give up the some points as long as you stay above 1 million ( the old level). anyone read this differently?

 

[CCdad]

If i read the eligibility section correctly, in order to maintain your tier you are only required to keep above your grandfathered required point total. so if you are currently plat. and have say a little over 1.1 million points, you can give up the some points as long as you stay above 1 million ( the old level). anyone read this differently?

Yes., that’s how I interpret it from reading Page 6 of the November 2020 supplement.

The Legacy VIP by Wyndham Platinum tier should be maintained as long as you owned and retain at least 1Mn Legacy developer points ON AND AFTER Nov 10, 2020.

For Legacy VIP by Wyndham Gold, it’s owned and retain either 500k Legacy developer as of 11/1/2012 OR 700k Legacy developer as of 11/10/2020.

For Legacy VIP by Wyndham Silver, it’s either 300k Legacy developer as of 11/1/2012 OR 400k Legacy developer as of 11/10/2020.

To qualify for the Bronze tier, you must have at least 300k developer and had a/any Legacy developer purchase on or after May 2019. Those owners with a least 300k but less than 400k developer before May 2019 need to make another purchase to become a VIP.

Having a Bonus points award over either or both of these Legacy dates are a bit tricky.


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[r4rab]

Yes., that’s how I interpret it from reading Page 6 of the November 2020 supplement.

The Legacy VIP by Wyndham Platinum tier should be maintained as long as you owned and retain at least 1Mn Legacy developer points ON AND AFTER Nov 10, 2020.

For Legacy VIP by Wyndham Gold, it’s owned and retain either 500k Legacy developer as of 11/1/2012 OR 700k Legacy developer as of 11/10/2020.

For Legacy VIP by Wyndham Silver, it’s either 300k Legacy developer as of 11/1/2012 OR 400k Legacy developer as of 11/10/2020.

To qualify for the Bronze tier, you must have at least 300k developer and had a/any Legacy developer purchase on or after May 2019. Those owners with a least 300k but less than 400k developer before May 2019 need to make another purchase to become a VIP.

Having a Bonus points award over either or both of these Legacy dates are a bit tricky.


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Yeah, we're temporary VIPP, permanent VIPG with our bonus contract expiring in about 1 year when we should drop back to Legacy VIPG. I was more certain of this before reading the official verbiage but still expect it to work that way.

 

[CO skier]

Bronze tier does actually look like it might be worth buying into with a 3 bedroom PIC. You get 1 extra HK token, 1 extra GC, 15% off, suite upgrades at 15 days, plus the extra savings in MF costs by PICing a really low MF 3 bedroom.

What little I know about buying into the VIP Program, I learned on TUG, so maybe I missed something.

1) 3 bedroom PIC is worth 254,000 points leaving minimum 46,000 to purchase (and I think that is the minimum allowed).

2) Recall prices from $130/1000 (Flash sale price from telesales) to $263+/1000 at sales center. With any administrative fees, about $6500-$12000 to purchase Bronze VIP.

3) Not sure what the extra savings on a really low MF 3 bedroom PIC might be. $200/year?

Compare this to an eBay purchase of 300,000 Club Wyndham Access or low MF deed which is easily acquired for under $1000 total:

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1) Savings of $5500+ versus even lowball telesales PIC pricing ($6500-$1000=$5500).

2) Cost saving of really low MF 3 bedroom PIC is largely or totally offset by the additional $150+/year VIP program fees plus the $89/year to convert PIC to points.

3) Cost savings of 1 extra Guest Certificate = $99 times 10 years = $990 savings from Bronze VIP

4) Cost savings of 1 extra HK = $159 times 10 years = $1590 savings from Bronze VIP

5) So far after 10 years, the eBay purchase is still ahead by $2920 ($5500-$990-$1590).

6) If every reservation over 10 years receives the 15% discount, that would be worth 450,000 points. At $5.63/1000 MF, that would be $2533 Bronze VIP savings.

7) $2920 - $2533 = $387 advantage to the eBay CWA even after 10 years.

 

[cbyrne1174]

What little I know about buying into the VIP Program, I learned on TUG, so maybe I missed something.

1) 3 bedroom PIC is worth 254,000 points leaving minimum 46,000 to purchase (and I think that is the minimum allowed).

2) Recall prices from $130/1000 (Flash sale price from telesales) to $263+/1000 at sales center. With any administrative fees, about $6500-$12000 to purchase Bronze VIP.

3) Not sure what the extra savings on a really low MF 3 bedroom PIC might be. $200/year?

Compare this to an eBay purchase of 300,000 Club Wyndham Access or low MF deed which is easily acquired for under $1000 total:

CLUB WYNDHAM ACCESS 300,000 POINTS ANNUALLY | eBay

Find many great new & used options and get the best deals for CLUB WYNDHAM ACCESS 300,000 POINTS ANNUALLY at the best online prices at eBay! Free shipping for many products!

www.ebay.com

Wyndham Smokey Mountains, 300,000 Annual Points!!! | eBay

Wyndham Smokey Mountains, 300,000 Annual Points. Please Click *READ MORE* For More Information.

www.ebay.com

1) Savings of $5500+ versus even lowball telesales PIC pricing ($6500-$1000=$5500).

2) Cost saving of really low MF 3 bedroom PIC is largely or totally offset by the additional $150+/year VIP program fees plus the $89/year to convert PIC to points.

3) Cost savings of 1 extra Guest Certificate = $99 times 10 years = $990 savings from Bronze VIP

4) Cost savings of 1 extra HK = $159 times 10 years = $1590 savings from Bronze VIP

5) So far after 10 years, the eBay purchase is still ahead by $2920 ($5500-$990-$1590).

6) If every reservation over 10 years receives the 15% discount, that would be worth 450,000 points. At $5.63/1000 MF, that would be $2533 Bronze VIP savings.

7) $2920 - $2533 = $387 advantage to the eBay CWA even after 10 years.

Smaller point packages cost more. Purchase price will be at least $150 x 49 = $7,350

Massenutten has 3 bedroom for $725/year. (725+0.64*254+89)/254 = $3.85 per thousand for the 254,000 PIC points

CWA = $6.92 per thousand $6.92 - $3.85 = $3.07 per thousand savings using PIC points vs. CWA

Using just 2020 MF, in 1 year you will save $779.78 by using the PIC points vs CWA points (3.07x254), so it will take about 10 years to break even just on the MF alone when compared to CWA.

 

[CO skier]

Smaller point packages cost more. Purchase price will be at least $150 x 49 = $7,350

Massenutten has 3 bedroom for $725/year. (725+0.64*254+89)/254 = $3.85 per thousand for the 254,000 PIC points

so it will take about 10 years to break even just on the MF alone when compared to CWA.

Minimum 10-year Return on Investment is where other VIP analyses in the past have led.

Except not really, considering that the $6,350 difference between a Bronze VIP purchase versus eBay purchase invested in the stock market instead would, on average, be worth more than $13,000 ten years from now, which would mean a Bronze VIP purchase would never be a better deal than an eBay purchase of CWA or most any other Club Wyndham deed.

 

[dgalati]

Smaller point packages cost more. Purchase price will be at least $150 x 49 = $7,350

Massenutten has 3 bedroom for $725/year. (725+0.64*254+89)/254 = $3.85 per thousand for the 254,000 PIC points

CWA = $6.92 per thousand $6.92 - $3.85 = $3.07 per thousand savings using PIC points vs. CWA

Using just 2020 MF, in 1 year you will save $779.78 by using the PIC points vs CWA points (3.07x254), so it will take about 10 years to break even just on the MF alone when compared to CWA.

What about the lost opportunity of investing the $7500 and doubling it over a 10 year time span with a 7% annual return. A 10 year pay back on the original investment is comparable to loaning money at 0%. It is a sunk cost that will never be returned. In a 10 year time frame a lot of unexpected can happen to change travel needs. IMHO your comment on buying a small 5000 point Worldmark account and using bonus time is a cheaper way to travel compared to the $7500 sunk cost of trying to PIC to bronze. If you are looking for discounts and free upgrades rent from a VIPP that will pass along the 50-60% savings.

 

[Braindead]

Minimum 10-year Return on Investment is where other VIP analyses in the past have led.

Except not really, considering that the $6,350 difference between a Bronze VIP purchase versus eBay purchase invested in the stock market instead would, on average, be worth more than $13,000 ten years from now, which would mean a Bronze VIP purchase would never be a better deal than an eBay purchase of CWA or most any other Club Wyndham deed.

What about the lost opportunity of investing the $7500 and doubling it over a 10 year time span with a 7% annual return. A 10 year pay back on the original investment is comparable to loaning money at 0%. It is a sunk cost that will never be returned. In a 10 year time frame a lot of unexpected can happen to change travel needs. IMHO your comment on buying a small 5000 point Worldmark account and using bonus time is a cheaper way to travel compared to the $7500 sunk cost of trying to PIC to bronze. If you are looking for discounts and free upgrades rent from a VIPP that will pass along the 50-60% savings.

The Wyndham forum is so unbelievably to me!!
We’re talking about disposable income, is it really anyone’s business to demean, put down, insinuate a bad financial decision on ones choice of how they spend their disposables income.

Hell let’s put a cap on a wise car purchase. Is it $5,000 or $10,000 or $20,000?? Every new car sale should never happen, invest that $$
Let’s do the same for buying a house??

You can always find a cheaper way to travel. Stay at the cheapest hotel you can find. Why doesn’t everyone do that ??
Only use RCI last calls, that’s cheaper than renting from VIP!!

I don’t see this nonstop crap in the other TS forums. Why??

I for one have stopped telling or recommending TUG to other owners. If you’re a happy Wyndham VIP there isn’t enough helpful information here to offset the nonstop crap postings. I’ll just show them eBay & give them a list of resellers to buy from, they can call me anytime on a contract for sale.

 

[Eric B]

....

Hell let’s put a cap on a wise car purchase. Is it $5,000 or $10,000 or $20,000?? Every new car sale should never happen, invest that $$
....

A better idea would be to just find someone that only drives to work with their car and will let you use it while it would just be parked for the cost of the gas. There's no good reason to buy your own car when you can just rely on someone else's driving privileges...!

 

[chapjim]

For a day or two after the roll-out, a pop-up appeared when I logged in to the website. It was "Welcome to Founders" or something like that. I didn't have time to see what was there and now it doesn't appear anymore.

What did I miss?

 

[55plus]

I had a pop up like that too. Didn’t pay much attention to it. Now it’s gone. My concern was making sure I was grandfathered, which I was.

 

[spackler]

I don’t see this nonstop crap in the other TS forums. Why??

There's a few posters who repeat the same message hundreds (if not thousands) of times in this forum; just put them on "ignore" like the rest of us do.