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I tried starting a new topic but the system wouldn't accept my topic. I believe all of us timeshare owners are in a world of "hurt". I am Platinum Wyndnam and a Platinum Diamond owner as well as 5 other timeshare associations, my fees are over 25k a year, for the past few years I have been using about half my units and renting the other half to cover about half of my fees. I believe over half of the owners will not pay their fees this year and next year, it is there only choice they have to survive. I believe the timeshare companies will try to add these unpaid fees to bad debt expense on the new budgets. I am considering to stop paying all fees as I see this situation as a losing battle. Resorts like Disney will have to lower hotel rates to try improve park attendance and that will make any timeshare ownership or rental a bad deal in Orlando for 2 years. Over half of my ownerships are in Hawaii and how many people over 60 are going do 5 plus hour flight to Hawaii. I have enjoyed my ownerships for the past 20 years but see all of this as a time to"bite the bullet"and not to try to wait this out. I am 73 and don't see that this situation will rectify in my lifetime. I do have the Wyndnam buy out that was offered for one year for the 20% refund. My children are very educated but are struggling for survival with their families and theyt have no interest to accept any of these timeshare obligations. In a earlier post I pointed out how Vacation Village already had a 27% bad debt expense as a budgetary line item and I believe this is just the beginning of what is going to happen. Please change my mind so I can rethink my over 250k purchases I have made in the past 20 years.

Letting your platinum Wyndham ownership go would just be silly. I still think you would easily be able to break even on it. I think the crappier systems will have higher default rates. At your age, you really don't need your credit score anymore so I would agree with you sentiment of defaulting on the crappier systems. Keep the ones that have good developer benefits for your children if you can afford it. This should rectify in your lifetime unless you are in bad health already.

I don't think this will set us back as much as WW2 and the great depression. Well pull out in a few years. I think this pandemic is going to be good in the long run. The oil industry needed to collapse to make way for more environmentally friendly alternatives. Its also forcing us to improve technologies to allow for telecommuting. My students (Algebra 1) are learning how to educate themselves more independently and without distractions that public school has. It sucks that people have to die, but this pandemic has had so many positive outcomes as well.
 
Hello fellow Algebra teacher I was a math teacher for 30 years. When I read you comment I was somewhat apprehensive about how many of 8th and 9th graders would have the self discipline to read that math textbook or follow teacher lead example on the computer. I went to a one room country school and in grades 4 to 7 the teacher just gave the math book and told me to do 3 pages a day. I finished at least one book every year. I went on to major in math and went on to achieve two advanced degrees in math and computer programing. So I guess some will have the self discipline to master the algebra skills independently.

My personal problem is both of platinum memberships with Wyndham and Diamond are achieved with PICS that allow me to be at the Platinum level if I get rid of those less desirable timeshares I will lose my Platinum status but would still be Gold VIP in both systems. I sense Wyndham will have a real hard time finding new owners and many owners will consider their timeshare maintenance fee and their timeshare mortgage as a very low priority in the present economic situation. Wyndham got out of this situation with Club Wyndham Access in 2009 but I don't think they can come up with a solution this time, so they will be forced to pass those unpaid fees to the rest of us owners with high maintenance fees.
 
It's really difficult to predict how this will turn out, but I've observed during my lifetime that we adapt to whatever we have to over a few years. Having a lot more points than you normally use can certainly be a burden, even if you were able to make it work for you in the past. I don't have any suggestions to offer, you just have to figure out what's best for you and then do it.
 
Some resorts will also have more defaults than others. I own mainly Grand Desert and since its a low MF resort that stopped selling over 10 years ago, I don't expect it to go up too much because there aren't any deeds that still have loans attached. I think most of the defaults will be people with loans. I can see CWA maintenance fees skyrocketing since most current loans are CWA. Also, I was looking at rent on Craigslist in my area for 3 bedroom houses and saw listings as low as $900 a month for a house built in the 80s (renovated), so the cost of living is going down as a result as well. The same houses were listed at $1200-1300 a few months ago.
 
Some resorts will also have more defaults than others. I own mainly Grand Desert and since its a low MF resort that stopped selling over 10 years ago, I don't expect it to go up too much because there aren't any deeds that still have loans attached. I think most of the defaults will be people with loans. I can see CWA maintenance fees skyrocketing since most current loans are CWA. Also, I was looking at rent on Craigslist in my area for 3 bedroom houses and saw listings as low as $900 a month for a house built in the 80s (renovated), so the cost of living is going down as a result as well. The same houses were listed at $1200-1300 a few months ago.
It would be very interesting to know how many Grand Desert deeds Wyndham holds a note on from last years sales alone. Wyndham obtains new inventory of Grand Desert from Ovations along with purchases through third parties. I sold 4 last year with Wyndham buying them third party. Wyndham's preferred resale broker contacted me from a add I placed on tug marketplace. Im sure your correct on CWA and believe a majority of the reacquired Grand desert deeds are put into CWA to blend with the higher maintenance fee deeds.
 
I tried starting a new topic but the system wouldn't accept my topic. I believe all of us timeshare owners are in a world of "hurt". I am Platinum Wyndnam and a Platinum Diamond owner as well as 5 other timeshare associations, my fees are over 25k a year, for the past few years I have been using about half my units and renting the other half to cover about half of my fees. I believe over half of the owners will not pay their fees this year and next year, it is there only choice they have to survive. I believe the timeshare companies will try to add these unpaid fees to bad debt expense on the new budgets. I am considering to stop paying all fees as I see this situation as a losing battle. Resorts like Disney will have to lower hotel rates to try improve park attendance and that will make any timeshare ownership or rental a bad deal in Orlando for 2 years. Over half of my ownerships are in Hawaii and how many people over 60 are going do 5 plus hour flight to Hawaii. I have enjoyed my ownerships for the past 20 years but see all of this as a time to"bite the bullet"and not to try to wait this out. I am 73 and don't see that this situation will rectify in my lifetime. I do have the Wyndnam buy out that was offered for one year for the 20% refund. My children are very educated but are struggling for survival with their families and theyt have no interest to accept any of these timeshare obligations. In a earlier post I pointed out how Vacation Village already had a 27% bad debt expense as a budgetary line item and I believe this is just the beginning of what is going to happen. Please change my mind so I can rethink my over 250k purchases I have made in the past 20 years.

First, I think defaulting should be the nuclear option. Sure, you don’t have to worry about credit, but the other owners have to pick up your bad debt. Essentially, you’d just be making the situation worse. I owned a vacation villages at parkway and had no issue unloading it. The buyer paid the transfer fee. I paid the $175 closing cost.

Second, with the exception of the few people in the world who are older then 102, this situation has not happened in anyone’s lifetime. It’s next to impossible to say what will happen. We can only go by the past. The economy recovered after the Spanish flu. The recovery rate on any given area depended on how they responded to the pandemic. Areas that didn’t take precautions soon enough, got hit the hardest. Those are the areas that got hit harder economically as well. The ones who were proactive recovered faster. Social distancing measures worked during the Spanish flu, and it will work now. Even in the areas hit the hardest, it won’t take 10 years to recover. Maybe a year or two.

I think your outlook is more dire then It actually will be. Sure, there are a lot of people collecting unemployment, but there are other measures in place to help small businesses continue and keep their employees paid. They did not have that during the Spanish flu. Also, there are many resort systems including Wyndham who are doing everything within their power to reduce the number of defaults. That includes allowing people to defer maintenance and loan payments. They have to if they want to survive. There are a ton of things happening that will reduce the negative impact on the economy. What you should be worried about is your next tax bill. Those economic stimulus plans have to get their money from somewhere. We will likely be paying for it over the next 5 years or more.

The bottom line is, wait and see. It is way to soon to jump ship and leave others holding the bag.
 
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First, I think defaulting should be the nuclear option. Sure, you don’t have to worry about credit, but the other owners have to pick up your bad debt. Essentially, you’d just be making the situation worse. I owned a vacation villages at parkway and had no issue unloading it. The buyer paid the transfer fee. I paid the $175 closing cost.

Second, with the exception of the few people in the world who are older then 102, this situation has not happened in anyone’s lifetime. It’s next to impossible to say what will happen. We can only go by the past. The economy recovered after the Spanish flu. The recovery rate on any given area depending on how they responded to the pandemic. Areas that didn’t take precautions soon enough, got hit the hardest. Those are the areas that got hit hard economically as well. The ones who were proactive recovered faster. Social distancing measures worked during the Spanish flu, and it will work now. Even in the areas hit the hardest, it won’t take 10 years to recover. Maybe a year or two.

I think your outlook is more dire then It actually will be. Sure, there are a lot of people collecting unemployment, but there are other measures in place to help small business continue and keep their employees paid. They did not have that during the Spanish flu. Also, there are many resort systems including Wyndham who are doing everything within their power to reduce the amount of defaults. That includes allowing people to defer maintenance and loan payments. They have to if they want to survive. There are a ton of things happening that will reduce the negative impact on the economy. What you should be worried about is your next tax bill. Those economic stimulus plans have to get their money from somewhere. We will likely be paying for it over the next 5 years or more.
My personal problem is both of platinum memberships with Wyndham and Diamond are achieved with PICS that allow me to be at the Platinum level if I get rid of those less desirable timeshares I will lose my Platinum status but would still be Gold VIP in both systems. I sense Wyndham will have a real hard time finding new owners and many owners will consider their timeshare maintenance fee and their timeshare mortgage as a very low priority in the present economic situation. Wyndham got out of this situation with Club Wyndham Access in 2009 but I don't think they can come up with a solution this time, so they will be forced to pass those unpaid fees to the rest of us owners with high maintenance fees.

Bottom line is wait and see. It is way to soon to jump ship and leave others holding the bag.
I wonder if there is a way my name could be added to this Wyndham ownership where I could still retain the VIPP? I know if anyone could @Richelle will know how. LOL
 
.......I think schools will incorporate more technology into their curriculum. .......and since they all have different questions and nobody to cheat off of, a lot of them are doing better in Algebra than before.
Before they would take pictures on their smart phones of their work and share it and fail the tests, then blame me for failing them.

Now it's apparent to their parents when they aren't doing the work, so a lot are actually doing better.

I love this part of your post .
 
Not sure if that's even expellable nowadays. Kids pull the fire alarm during release and only get in school suspension for 1 day. I taught a kid a few years ago that got arrested for possession of an unregistered fire arm and wasn't expelled because it was "in his car", not "on school property". This was the same year as the valentine's day shooting, a few weeks after it even... in the same state!

Did he pass math?
Did he like the teacher ?
 
I wonder if there is a way my name could be added to this Wyndham ownership where I could still retain the VIPP? I know if anyone could @Richelle will know how. LOL

You could add your name and you would have access to his account. However, the only way to keep the benefits is to keep the original owner's name on it. That would require a certain level of trust. Then again, if he doesn't care about his credit, he might be willing to do it for a price.
 
Interesting arrangement. Im sure I could offer more than Wyndham with the Ovations offer at $0. I would be willing to buy back in to Wyndham under these circumstances. LOL
 
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Interesting arrangement. Im sure I could offer more than Wyndham with the Ovations offer at $0. I would be willing to buy back in to Wyndham under these circumstances. LOL

They said they had pathways. So they would get more then $0.
 
I tried starting a new topic but the system wouldn't accept my topic. I believe all of us timeshare owners are in a world of "hurt". I am Platinum Wyndnam and a Platinum Diamond owner as well as 5 other timeshare associations, my fees are over 25k a year, for the past few years I have been using about half my units and renting the other half to cover about half of my fees. I believe over half of the owners will not pay their fees this year and next year, it is there only choice they have to survive. I believe the timeshare companies will try to add these unpaid fees to bad debt expense on the new budgets. I am considering to stop paying all fees as I see this situation as a losing battle. Resorts like Disney will have to lower hotel rates to try improve park attendance and that will make any timeshare ownership or rental a bad deal in Orlando for 2 years. Over half of my ownerships are in Hawaii and how many people over 60 are going do 5 plus hour flight to Hawaii. I have enjoyed my ownerships for the past 20 years but see all of this as a time to"bite the bullet"and not to try to wait this out. I am 73 and don't see that this situation will rectify in my lifetime. I do have the Wyndnam buy out that was offered for one year for the 20% refund. My children are very educated but are struggling for survival with their families and theyt have no interest to accept any of these timeshare obligations. In a earlier post I pointed out how Vacation Village already had a 27% bad debt expense as a budgetary line item and I believe this is just the beginning of what is going to happen. Please change my mind so I can rethink my over 250k purchases I have made in the past 20 years.
I think the economy and travel will pull out of this. I agree with other comments that people are super resilient and will come up with ways to thrive. I also agree there are positive changes that will come if this.

The challenge will be getting through this year since renting is probably not an option for income. I had to check the rate for contributing points to maintenance fees and it is not good .. you get $2.10 per thousand points while maintenance fees average more than double that. I don’t have an idea here other than pool points forward and maybe cash some into Wyndham rewards or maintenance.
We’re still planning 5 trips this year .. Myrtle, Puerto Rico, weekend in Nashville Margaritaville, Myrtle again then Pompano in December. The pool situation is a worry because our 8 year old loves them. Some resorts like Rio Mar and Desert Blue have plenty of space to separate even in normal times. Others like Bonnet, Clearwater and Seawatch are mad houses. Maybe they can regulate somehow.

Bob
 
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I can see open aire resorts see an up tick in reservations, such as Pagosa Springs and other resorts with stand alone units or units with outside entrances this year. It's the high rise buildings with elevators I believe most will want to stay away from. My wife doesn't want to be in an elevator with others until a vaccine is developed.
 
It looks like all available inventory through May 31st was removed from the website. Expect current reservations to be cancelled. If so, there go my week in DC during the week of Memorial Day. This will be the first time in many years I won't be able to visit my military Brothers buried at Arlington, if in fact reservations are cancelled.
 
It looks like all available inventory through May 31st was removed from the website. Expect current reservations to be cancelled. If so, there go my week in DC during the week of Memorial Day. This will be the first time in many years I won't be able to visit my military Brothers buried at Arlington, if in fact reservations are cancelled.

I just checked availability at National Harbor -- May 29-June 2. All kinds of stuff available!

Club Wyndham National Harbor

Club Wyndham National Harbor

  • 250 Mariner Passage
    National Harbor, Md 20745
    301-265-4200
    MORE
  • City
  • CLUB WYNDHAM® Plus Resort, CLUB WYNDHAM® Presidential Reserve Resort, CLUB WYNDHAM® Access Resort


The resort will be undergoing renovations to the lobby and all common area restroom from Mar. 30 - Jun. 15, 2020. During this time noise, dust, odors and work crews on-site may be experienced.
MANAGED BY WYNDHAM
National Harbor

  • 1 Bedroom Deluxe
    VIP Benefits Apply
    121,200 60,600 Points
    MORE INFORMATION
    UNIT INFO
    BOOK

  • 1 Bedroom Deluxe with Balcony
    VIP Benefits Apply
    131,000 65,500 Points
    MORE INFORMATION
    UNIT INFO
    BOOK

  • 2 Bedroom Deluxe
    VIP Benefits Apply
    160,000 80,000 Points
    MORE INFORMATION
    UNIT INFO
    BOOK

  • 2 Bedroom Deluxe with Balcony
    VIP Benefits Apply
    176,000 88,000 Points
    MORE INFORMATION
    UNIT INFO
    BOOK

  • 2 Bedroom Presidential
    VIP Benefits Apply
    256,000 128,000 Points
    MORE INFORMATION
    UNIT INFO
    BOOK

  • 3 Bedroom Deluxe with Balcony
    VIP Benefits Apply
    224,000 112,000 Points
    MORE INFORMATION
    UNIT INFO
    BOOK

  • 3 Bedroom Presidential
    VIP Benefits Apply
    317,000 158,500 Points
    MORE INFORMATION
    UNIT INFO
    BOOK
MANAGED BY WYNDHAM
National Harbor Presidential Reserve

  • 2 Bedroom Presidential (Presidential Reserve)
    VIP Benefits Apply
    256,000 128,000 Points
    MORE INFORMATION
    UNIT INFO
    B
 
What nights were you looking for? How big a unit?

PM me. I might be able to book what you want. You might not ever check in but that's another thing!
 
I just checked availability at National Harbor -- May 29-June 2. All kinds of stuff available!

Club Wyndham National Harbor

Club Wyndham National Harbor

  • 250 Mariner Passage
    National Harbor, Md 20745
    301-265-4200
    MORE
  • City
  • CLUB WYNDHAM® Plus Resort, CLUB WYNDHAM® Presidential Reserve Resort, CLUB WYNDHAM® Access Resort


The resort will be undergoing renovations to the lobby and all common area restroom from Mar. 30 - Jun. 15, 2020. During this time noise, dust, odors and work crews on-site may be experienced.
MANAGED BY WYNDHAM
National Harbor

  • 1 Bedroom Deluxe
    VIP Benefits Apply
    121,200 60,600 Points
    MORE INFORMATION
    UNIT INFO
    BOOK

  • 1 Bedroom Deluxe with Balcony
    VIP Benefits Apply
    131,000 65,500 Points
    MORE INFORMATION
    UNIT INFO
    BOOK

  • 2 Bedroom Deluxe
    VIP Benefits Apply
    160,000 80,000 Points
    MORE INFORMATION
    UNIT INFO
    BOOK

  • 2 Bedroom Deluxe with Balcony
    VIP Benefits Apply
    176,000 88,000 Points
    MORE INFORMATION
    UNIT INFO
    BOOK

  • 2 Bedroom Presidential
    VIP Benefits Apply
    256,000 128,000 Points
    MORE INFORMATION
    UNIT INFO
    BOOK

  • 3 Bedroom Deluxe with Balcony
    VIP Benefits Apply
    224,000 112,000 Points
    MORE INFORMATION
    UNIT INFO
    BOOK

  • 3 Bedroom Presidential
    VIP Benefits Apply
    317,000 158,500 Points
    MORE INFORMATION
    UNIT INFO
    BOOK
MANAGED BY WYNDHAM
National Harbor Presidential Reserve

  • 2 Bedroom Presidential (Presidential Reserve)
    VIP Benefits Apply
    256,000 128,000 Points
    MORE INFORMATION
    UNIT INFO
    B
Might be the only one, so maybe Wyndham missed it. All of South Carolina, Florida, etc., have no availability through May 31st. My reservations are at Old Town so I also booked National Harbor just in case one is open and the other is closed.
 
Might be the only one, so maybe Wyndham missed it. All of South Carolina, Florida, etc., have no availability through May 31st. My reservations are at Old Town so I also booked National Harbor just in case one is open and the other is closed.

I wouldn't bet on either one being open. The governors of VA and MD both seem to enjoy the power.
 
I wouldn't bet on either one being open. The governors of VA and MD both seem to enjoy the power.

I would imagine the same could be said for most or all of the governors who have issued stay at home orders.
 
I know there are not a large percentage of them any longer, but any idea how they are handling fixed weeks during this?
 
I would imagine the same could be said for most or all of the governors who have issued stay at home orders.

DeSantis in Florida seems to be the exception.
 
I know there are not a large percentage of them any longer, but any idea how they are handling fixed weeks during this?
Fixed week owners are just that, a fixed week owner. Unless they banked their week they lose out. Resorts are not obligated to make them whole.
 
Maybe they think this is the best thing for the residents of their states? Just spitballing.
I don't disagree with their methods. As much as I hate staying home, I don't blame them. At least here in Maryland, people just were not listening. Before the orders, the governor pleaded with the citizens to not have large gatherings, don't go out unless you need to, and keep a safe distance from others. People did not listen and ignored his pleas. He had no choice but to order people to stay home, because he felt that is what was needed, to keep the citizens of Maryland safe and healthy. Plenty will argue with me that I'm wrong, but this is not the place. I'm going to leave it at that.
 
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