Trouble - Marriott Grand Residence Tahoe [Management Agreement in Jeopardy?]

[bnoble]

I took a quick look at the California statute, I do not see where in the text it explicitly states which contact information must be provided, so it is not 100% clear to me that the statute requires them to provide email.

Caveat: IANAL, nor did I sleep at a Holiday Inn Express last night.

 

[rcdcowner557]

I took a quick look at the California statute, I do not see where in the text it explicitly states which contact information must be provided, so it is not 100% clear to me that the statute requires them to provide email.

Caveat: IANAL, nor did I sleep at a Holiday Inn Express last night.

I believe it has been agreed by all that statutes may not require e-mail per se; I addressed what I would recommend doing a few posts up. If folks want to go off on this tangent, have at it, but I recommend focusing on the salient issue, which is that they are required to provide contact information for all association members to any association member who requests it for purposes of communicating with other association members on matters concerning the property. In our case, they did provide us email addresses when we pressed, whether required by statute or not. However, had they denied us those, we would have communicated the way people did in the old days, and indeed, we found phone to the be most effective.

 

[Hindsite]

The fact that Hindsite liked your post is a perfect example of how self-proclaimed TUG experts don't know some of the most basic facts that are essential to responsible ownership.

There is absolutely no need for that kind of slur.

The question posed by @bazzap is of interest to me specifically due to the data protection implications for my personal information being held and I would be concerned if it were possible for individuals to obtain my contact information without me providing permission. If it is allowable in specific jurisdictions, as you have identified, that is worth knowing and managing accordingly.

I'd be surprised if European law allowed it, have you checked that?

 

[rcdcowner557]

There is absolutely no need for that kind of slur.

The question posed by @bazzap is of interest to me specifically due to the data protection implications for my personal information being held and I would be concerned if it were possible for individuals to obtain my contact information without me providing permission. If it is allowable in specific jurisdictions, as you have identified, that is worth knowing and managing accordingly.

I'd be surprised if European law allowed it, have you checked that?

Sir (or Madame) - It was hardly a slur, and your trolling my posts yesterday in another thread, suggesting what would suit my purpose or not, calls into question your self-awareness. You cannot suggest that posters who are new to this site do not know what they are talking about and then get upset when those posters call you out on the fact that you are not aware of this most basic right. And no, I have not checked European law. However, while I am in charitable mood, I can suggest that you check whatever documents you signed when you purchased because one thing that MVW likes to put wherever they can is a provision that your relationship will be governed by Florida law where that is allowed. Florida law is quite beneficial to timeshare operators, and they will seek to have it applied wherever legally permissible, which is entirely appropriate for a corporation to do. Where it is legally permissible is issue specific and would require the advice of a qualified attorney.

 

[TimGolobic]

There is absolutely no need for that kind of slur.

The question posed by @bazzap is of interest to me specifically due to the data protection implications for my personal information being held and I would be concerned if it were possible for individuals to obtain my contact information without me providing permission. If it is allowable in specific jurisdictions, as you have identified, that is worth knowing and managing accordingly.

I'd be surprised if European law allowed it, have you checked that?

Arguments aside, most of your contact information is publicly available through county property tax records. For example, for a small fee, I can obtain a list of all GRC or Timber Lodge owners, which includes name, address and purchase date. Email and phone are not provided. You might be surprised that one can discern a lot from a little detail, including name of spouse assuming also on the title, and if your family Trust is setup. It also helps determine how many units MVW has in the land trust, and if a particular BOD candidate is an owner or not.

 

[bnoble]

Some people just like to pick fights. My life is too short for that, but my ignore list is not.

 

[rcdcowner557]

Some people just like to pick fights. My life is too short for that, but my ignore list is not.

Yes, I have noticed some longtime posters on this site like to pick fights. I am not talking about you. I know nothing about you and have never interacted with you before, but given your gratuitous comment above, I can make a pretty good guess that you fall into the camp you yourself describe of those who like to pick fights.

 

[bazzap]

It is a provision of the Davis Stirling Act in California. It is a standard provision in many state statutes that govern common interest developments. The fact that Hindsite liked your post is a perfect example of how self-proclaimed TUG experts don't know some of the most basic facts that are essential to responsible ownership. MVW is well aware of the statutory requirement and has a standard absurd warning they send out with the list to any association member who requests it. They might make an owner ask for it more than once, and they might ignore the request in the hope that the owner is not aware of their basic statutory rights. MVW is not immune to preying on those who don't know their rights; indeed, it is their business model.

Perhaps this just reflects the differences between Californian and some other US state statutes and where we own all of our MVC weeks, mostly in Europe and Asia?
It is definitely not a statutory right in these locations to allow sharing of owner email addresses, thank goodness.