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Trouble - Marriott Grand Residence Tahoe [Management Agreement in Jeopardy?]

Fido Chuckwagon

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I always thought that research studies generally required consent from those participating, overseen by an ethics review board. But it sounds like we are unwitting participants. I guess I’m thinking of medical studies and perhaps the standards for other studies are less rigorous.
If the university sponsoring the research study receives any federal funding (which is basically all of them unless it’s some tiny non-accredited private school) then yes, informed consent of all research participants is required, you can find the regs at 45 CFR 46.116.
 

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I'm thrilled to see this thread finally picking up steam! It’s incredibly intriguing to dive into how Marriott has been fumbling its finances—raises some serious questions about accountability, doesn’t it? Plus, the board’s struggle to grasp the situation is quite alarming. It really shows their disconnect with their own governing rules and the management engagement contract. And let's not forget their hesitation to consider findings from crucial social research studies that could offer eye-opening insights! Oh, and can we talk about the importance of proper prep before surgery and the not-so-pleasant consequences of rererereregurgitating vomit? Overall, it’s exciting to witness such a vibrant conversation unfolding!
 

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As points ownership grows and weeks ownerships decline – and I’m not sure how rapidly that’s actually happening, but it does seem to be the long-trend – I think the “wine social” and similar events have less and less value. These events used to be about meeting your fellow resort owners, the people who, like you, own at the property where you are staying and probably visit every year or two or perhaps even more often. They were often billed as an owners event, though that probably wasn’t enforced. But most attendees had a vested interest in the property, its amenities and upkeep, and you may even run into people you’ve met before if you and they vacation around the same time each year.

If most guests are essentially “transient owners” who own points but have no attachment to a specific property, then a wine social is just a bunch of strangers with no real connection between them getting together to drink wine with their own little group. I like wine as much (or more!) than the next guy, but the wine served at these events is usually not of sufficient quality to motivate my attendance. I would attend to meet and chat with fellow weeks owners of the property, I probably wouldn’t attend or care about meeting points owners who just happened to be there. It’s a different dynamic.

What is the purpose of these events once a property is dominated by transient points owners? Maybe I’m the only one who feels there is a different sense of community (or lack thereof) in a points-dominated timeshare world.
Though what is interesting is how the ARDA reports imply that "sense of community" is a big change for getting "the next generation" / the future. I read it as going the other way, i.e. wanting to build more of a sense of community. Maybe the community needs to increase to "system owners"? Then, what about the exchangers and various cash versions etc...

That said, I also understand your POV - I don't drink, so I'm not going to one of the events. I don't use the pool either, so I'd prefer dropping the "resort amenities fee" and having an "access card" each person staying can buy or not. But here's the thing, is the overhead of a la carte management going to death spiral everything? I do know that I find it grating that the arcades are so expensive and yet Mini Golf and Ping Pong are free. I actually prefer Ping Pong being free, and probably wouldn't ever pay to do Mini Golf, so it's nice they're free, but then why is pool charged? Air Hockey?

I think you need to "get something" in addition to a room for it to be a "resort" FWIW.
 

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If the university sponsoring the research study receives any federal funding (which is basically all of them unless it’s some tiny non-accredited private school) then yes, informed consent of all research participants is required, you can find the regs at 45 CFR 46.116.
I don't think that applies to using public social media/BBS posts. See § 46.104(d)(2) (presuming that the subpart was applicable to begin with.) But of course, this is all meaningless as we know there is no such activity going on outside one's mind.
 

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Anyone have the time and zoom link for Thursday’s board meeting?
 

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For those keeping score at home, GRC dues increase 12.2% (Marriott recommended 15.4%). The Trust-nominated candidate won election to the board.
 

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For those keeping score at home, GRC dues increase 12.2% (Marriott recommended 15.4%). The Trust-nominated candidate won election to the board.
It seemed that the Trust nominated candidate won by a bunch. It would be interesting to find out how many owners voted for him out of fear MVC would no longer represent GRC or that they felt like the board was cutting too much/not understanding inflation cost raises. Also, at the end of the first meeting it seemed like both sides made up a bit and decided to work together. Not sure what others got out of that exchange...

Also, it seemed like MVC was ok with the 12.2% increase as long as the owners understood and didn't complain to them if they felt like things weren't up to Marriott standards...
 

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It seemed that the Trust nominated candidate won by a bunch. It would be interesting to find out how many owners voted for him out of fear MVC would no longer represent GRC or that they felt like the board was cutting too much/not understanding inflation cost raises. Also, at the end of the first meeting it seemed like both sides made up a bit and decided to work together. Not sure what others got out of that exchange...

Also, it seemed like MVC was ok with the 12.2% increase as long as the owners understood and didn't complain to them if they felt like things weren't up to Marriott standards...
I think the Trust probably had a lot to do with getting the MVC person elected.

I grew increasingly frustrated from some of the communication that I got from the board, and I gave all my votes to the MVC rep. My goal was to let the board know that I was tired of the Hijinx (like sending out an email that they wanted to explore a different management company).
 

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Reached out to the person I rent points from that owns here. This will be my third yearly buy so I may be getting a slight discount. 72 cents for 2026 points. I paid 67 cents for 2025 points and 63 cents for 2024. I will assume owners get a great MF per point and one of the reasons why the Marriott brand might be important.
 
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