Starwood II Trade Test [Deposits under new rules show 50% fewer units!]

[DeniseM]

Can someone explain how to do this test?

Only if you give me credit for another positive thread!

1) Log onto your II Acct.
2) Click on Exchange
3) Click on "Use a map"
4) Click on US, and then Hawaii, and then Select All, and then continue.
5) For earliest date put in today's date (or tomorrow's)
6) For latest date put in the latest date in Oct. 2011 that it will allow, & click continue.
7) On the next page select the TS that you are going to search with - click on Vacation exchange.
8) On the next page, you will see the number of resorts at the top, right corner - right under "all available destinations."
9) You will have to scroll down and count the number of deposits, don't forget to click on the "see more dates" links, under some listings.

Then post your info. like this:

Old/new rules deposit
Resort name
Unit Size
Week deposited or Trading Value designation

Resorts - 15
Units - 30

You may also list the resort names and the number of units at each, if you wish.​

 

[SDKath]

Maybe the whole thread shoud go over to the sightings board.

Yes that would be more useful. For example, my search yesterday had less units than today. It would be helpful to see exactly which units and how many people are seeing with theirs. I don't think seeing "25 units vs 30" necessarily will give us a quality test. At least not one I can make sense of. Then again, I am new to these trade tests.

K

 

[DeniseM]

This is just a trial run - to do a real trade test, we all have to search at the same time, on the same day. So for now, we are just playing around with it.

My primary goal with this thread was to see if we have enough owners with deposits, to have sufficient data. Looks like we do!

 

[abdibile]

Vistana Resort undeposited fixed week 15/2010

I own springs and falls, but no clue how to distinguish between them in II account, shows all my weeks as floating and I have to chose a reservation date. Before the changes they were shown as fixed in II

15 resorts, 30 units
including 3 Westin resorts, but no Marriott

When I change the reservation dates to week 2/2010 or 49/2009 or 26/2010

14 resorts, 29 units

So season seems not to be too important...

 

[DeniseM]

Another Tugger has deposited her fixed SVR week and she was allowed to deposit the actual week, so you should search using the real dates of your fixed week.

 

[Bill4728]

Want to see something interesting?

I thought I'd see how many my Marriott NCV could see

5 resorts and 10 total weeks.

Your Starwood weeks are killers compared to my Marriott.

BUT my Whistler week can see 14 resorts and 31 units (non Marriott, non Starwood)

Both can see only one starwood week for a checkin next week

 

[Stefa]

Bill, My guess is your Marriott can see less because of II's quality filter. My friend's Ko'Olina can also see less (not including Marriotts) than my small SDO because the lower-rated resorts don't show up when searching with Marriott.

 

[WINSLOW]

Want to see something interesting?

I thought I'd see how many my Marriott NCV could see

5 resorts and 10 total weeks.

Your Starwood weeks are killers compared to my Marriott.

BUT my Whistler week can see 14 resorts and 31 units (non Marriott, non Starwood)

Both can see only one starwood week for a checkin next week

I don't want to turn this into a "Marriott sightings", but in my case with our VI2, we are seeing more units because I see Silver and non-rated resorts, whereas with our Marriotts all of those get filtered out and I only see Gold & some Silver and only one Westin for next week.
Used MSK & MSU and only saw 5 resorts also. I've always randomly tested with the Marriotts & Sheraton and the results are usually the same with Marriott having an edge over my Sheraton, but my Sheraton is in Orlando so it's not high demand like others in SVN, but still great for an Orlando unit.

 

[stive1]

Old system

SVR 1 bedroom week 13

15 resorts 31 weeks



Old system

SDO Large 1 Bedroom week 52

7 resorts 18 weeks

 

[pacman]

new system
SDO 1 bdrm plat SI1 7pm PST

8 resorts
18 weeks

pacman

 

[DeniseM]

Look at this folks - Pacman and I own the same type unit: 1 bdm., SDO unit - both deeded week 52 - although his is Plat and mine is floating. In theory, his Plat week should be stronger. - it is designated SI1 - which is the highest trading value you can get under the new rules.

I just checked II, 6 minutes after Pacman, and look how much more I see with my old rules/March deposit., than he sees with his new rules, Plat deposit!

Not a good indicator of "new rules" trading value.

16 resorts
33 units

 

[SDKath]

Look at this folks - Pacman and I own the same type unit: 1 bdm., SDO unit - both deeded week 52 - although his is Plat and mine is floating. In theory, his Plat week should be stronger....

I just checked II, 6 minutes after Pacman and look how much more I see with my old rules/March deposit., than he sees with his new rules, Plat deposit!

Not a good indicator of "new rules" trading value.

16 resorts
33 units

Wow! This is really interesting (and agree, not good at all)! Can you PM pacman and make sure he did his search correctly (using the map and all of the islands...). Also, based on the "new rules deposits" can we figure out what week pacman got deposited after all? Or is it some generic week now? I have a fixed SVR unit so for me, I deposited week 52 under the new rules and got week 52.


Kath

 

[DeniseM]

Pacman - not to question your searching ability, but did you use the search steps listed above? Just want to confirm this rather shocking bit of info.!

Kath - they don't deposit weeks any more (unless, like your's, it's fixed.) They assign your deposit a "trade value." Pacman's Plat week was assigned the highest trade value you can get at SDO.

 

[pacman]

Pacman - not to question your searching ability, but did you use the search steps listed above? Just want to confirm this rather shocking bit of info.!

Kath - they don't deposit weeks any more (unless, like your's, it's fixed.) They assign your deposit a "trade value." Pacman's Plat week was assigned the highest trade value you can get at SDO.

Just tried it again 7:50 PST
now only 6 resorts
19 weeks

Yes, definitely the 2 years from today to Oct 7 , 2011.
This is with my A-side of the lockoff.
My B-side pulls 7 resorts and 17 weeks

This seems sorta strange.

pacman

 

[SDKath]

I am seeing 14 resorts and 26 weeks tonight. Only a couple at WKORVN now and none at the S property. The same 5 WPORVs are picked up (1 is 2br, the rest are small units).

 

[rickandcindy23]

Just tried it again 7:50 PST
now only 6 resorts
19 weeks

Yes, definitely the 2 years from today to Oct 7 , 2011.
This is with my A-side of the lockoff.
My B-side pulls 7 resorts and 17 weeks

This seems sorta strange.

pacman

Are you seeing only high quality resorts? When I search with one of my weeks, I cannot see anything that isn't gold or high silver. For example, I won't see Hanalei Bay on Kauai, but I will see a few of the other resorts that are Silver, like Pono Kai. I don't get it, but it just is.

So which resorts are you seeing? Are you seeing any "regular" resorts, and are you seeing the Westins?

 

[SDKath]

Are you seeing only high quality resorts? When I search with one of my weeks, I cannot see anything that isn't gold or high silver. For example, I won't see Hanalei Bay on Kauai, but I will see a few of the other resorts that are Silver, like Pono Kai. I don't get it, but it just is.

So which resorts are you seeing? Are you seeing any "regular" resorts, and are you seeing the Westins?

We've all posted what we are seeing but Denise took them out. I think they are considered sightings. I am seeing all 3 Westins (only 2 tonight).

Maybe we can do another trade test if there ever is another bulk banking at any of the HI Westins (other than studios, which seem to be appearing all the time)...

Katherine

 

[DeniseM]

You can post the names of the resorts, and even how many units at each resort, you just can't cut and paste all the exchange info. - that is considered a sighting.

 

[Politico]

Bring back the old rules!

Just ran this morning at 8am Eastern...

Old rules deposit
SDO
1BR
March 2010 Week deposited

Resorts - 22
Units - 53

 

[Troopers]

Only if you give me credit for another positive thread!

1) Log onto your II Acct.
2) Click on Exchange
3) Click on "Use a map"
4) Click on US, and then Hawaii, and then Select All, and then continue.
5) For earliest date put in today's date (or tomorrow's)
6) For latest date put in the latest date in Oct. 2011 that it will allow, & click continue.
7) On the next page select the TS that you are going to search with - click on Vacation exchange.
8) On the next page, you will see the number of resorts at the top, right corner - right under "all available destinations."
9) You will have to scroll down and count the number of deposits, don't forget to click on the "see more dates" links, under some listings.

Then post your info. like this:

Old/new rules deposit
Resort name
Unit Size
Week deposited or Trading Value designation

Resorts - 15
Units - 30

You may also list the resort names and the number of units at each, if you wish.​

Thanks.

How do I check old vs new rules?

At step 7, if I select Vacation Exchange for my unredeemed deposit (WKORV 1bdrm, Oct 11-18 2009), I get 13 resorts, 38 weeks/units.

At step 7, if I select Vacation Exchange for a 2 bdrm WKORV 2009 (float) and then select 2 bdrm when it prompts for master or lock-off, I get 13 resorts, 32 weeks/units. Btw, I am given 6 units to choose from to exchange with; 2 bdrm, 0 bdrm, 1 bdrm (for my first WKORV week?) and 2 bdrm, 0 bdrm, 1 bdrm (for my second WKORV week?). The site does not identify which units is OV and OFD. Also, how do you know the trading value designation?

 

[K2Quick]

Just ran this morning at 8am Eastern...

Old rules deposit
SDO
1BR
March 2010 Week deposited

Resorts - 22
Units - 53

Mine is almost the same this morning:

Old rules deposit
SDO Small 1BR
Week 12 2010 Week deposited
Resorts - 22
Units - 56

 

[Politico]

Mine is almost the same this morning:

Old rules deposit
SDO Small 1BR
Week 12 2010 Week deposited
Resorts - 22
Units - 56

Now we need a new rules comparison.

 

[DeniseM]

Thanks.

How do I check old vs new rules?

If you actually deposited a week BEFORE the new rules took effect, then you have an old rules deposit.

If you haven't deposited yet, or you deposited under the new rules, then you have a new rules deposit.

At step 7, if I select Vacation Exchange for my unredeemed deposit (WKORV 1bdrm, Oct 11-18 2009), I get 13 resorts, 38 weeks/units.

At step 7, if I select Vacation Exchange for a 2 bdrm WKORV 2009 (float) and then select 2 bdrm when it prompts for master or lock-off, I get 13 resorts, 32 weeks/units. Btw, I am given 6 units to choose from to exchange with; 2 bdrm, 0 bdrm, 1 bdrm (for my first WKORV week?) and 2 bdrm, 0 bdrm, 1 bdrm (for my second WKORV week?). The site does not identify which units is OV and OFD. Also, how do you know the trading value designation?

They don't differentiate between OV and OF on a deposit - Starwood is not going to give an exchanger an OF unit anyway, unless they have Elite status. My guess is that you will get the same deposit value for both OV and OF.

The trading value is supposed to be listed in your II Acct. YMMV

 

[pacman]

Are you seeing only high quality resorts? When I search with one of my weeks, I cannot see anything that isn't gold or high silver. For example, I won't see Hanalei Bay on Kauai, but I will see a few of the other resorts that are Silver, like Pono Kai. I don't get it, but it just is.

So which resorts are you seeing? Are you seeing any "regular" resorts, and are you seeing the Westins?

with SDO large 1 bdrm plat week
Update Oct 9 5:50 pm PST - 8 resorts

Westin Princeville 5 weeks
Maui Schooner 4 weeks
Marriott Kauai Beach 1 week
Sands of Kahana 1 week
Pono Kai Pacific 1 week
WKORN 2 weeks
Marriott Ko Olina 3 weeks
Kona Coast 3 weeks

I know that yesterday, there were zero Marriotts, and about 4 or 5 WKORV.
pacman

 

[jojo777]

Checking with SBP

I just checked with SBP--new rules (Gold Plus)

I see exactly the same with my 1 bedroom and 2 bedroom units.

7 resorts
16 units