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Being a Special Needs Mom in CA, it’s imperative my 2 go back In person in the fall. And I am thankful other parents in our SD agreed. In July, we expect to find out if elementary will be FT in person. A virtual option will also be available for families. Also masks will most likely not be required at elementary schools. I do believe our SD is going w/ full opening because parents were quite vocal. Plus it was understood, many would leave to local private schools which are opening in person.
As fortunate as we are, others are not. I am part of group who is tracking how schools are opening in SoCal. We just learned some of the poorer SD are going full virtual. Some of the larger, LA and Long Beach, are choosing hybrid w/ 2-3 days max on elementary campus. Many are not segmenting special needs children or even those w/ IEPs. It’s craziness to say the least.
 
Children need to go back to school. Parents need to go back to work. The key is to do it as safely as possible. Our governor still has not released the guidelines for reopening, so my district cannot begin to make a plan yet.
 
Feel free to disagree but I feel all teachers are underpaid. I'm sure my sister who taught 4th grade would argue with you about the benefits and pension.
Underpaid and Next to Nothing are not the same thing...

George
 
Underpaid and Next to Nothing are not the same thing...

George
In some cases they are.

P.S. I said "next to nothing for the job they do".
 

More than 40 school principals in the South Bay were told to quarantine after being exposed to COVID-19 two weeks ago.

The exposure happened at an in-person meeting called by the Santa Clara Unified School District. An attendee who didn't have any symptoms at the meeting testing positive for the virus just days later.

Now many are asking why the district would have even called an in-person meeting at all.

“I'm mad, I’m disappointed, I’m concerned," said parent Bonnie Lieberman.

She has mixed emotions after dozens of school principals were exposed to COVID-19 at a face-to-face school district leadership meeting two weeks ago.

"There were over forty people in the room,” said Lieberman. “It doesn’t give me or any other parents much confidence that the district can make appropriate decisions about safety.”

Last week, the district superintendent confirmed the exposure during an online meeting with the school board, but says the district didn’t do anything wrong.
 
My niece has a son who is medically fragile and a daughter who is special needs, but lower risk medically. She received, and gave, permission for these to be copied and shared. I edited out my niece’s name and wrestled with whether to edit what might be an offensive word or two, but did not. If a moderator chooses to, that’s OK.

My niece:

“Below is from a doctor at Duke. She works on the Covid unit. She wrote this as a way to express her feelings about schools opening based on the experience she has had first hand with Covid and from the perspective of a parent with two young children. She makes several points that people often don’t mention, but none more striking to me than the point on morbidity vs mortality. Her name has been erased to protect her privacy.”


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7/2: SCHOOL. There has been much discussion and debate about what school will look like next year. Today, Wake county announced that they will have kids in a rotation of 1 week in person/ 2 weeks remote. I expect Chapel hill will shortly follow suit,

Or have some similar hybrid plan. I keep getting asked this question repeatedly from friends — “well, you are a COVID Doctor. What do YOU think about sending your kids back to school”. My answer is my own, deeply personal, and not reflective of my employer. And I recognize and appreciate that many of my colleagues in the same position as me have different views. BUT. Since so many keep asking me, here is my answer, as both a parent and a frontline covid doctor. Do with it as you choose:

My family is electing to remote school next year. The reasons for this are multi-factorial:

-this disease scares the *bleep* out of me. After 4 months caring for covid patients, we certainly know a lot more. But a lot of it isn’t reassuring. Covid is now known to cause lung, heart, kidney, brain, and clotting system complications. And that’s just what we know about the immediate effects. We have no idea — NONE — what the longer term effects might be. I am not willling to risk the health and vitality of my kids to find out what those long term side effects might be

-morbidity vs mortality. I’ve talked about this in prior posts. Yes, very few children actually die of covid. BUT many young people still get very very sick. Intubated. Put on ecmo. Pediatric multisystem inflammatory syndrome. Kawasaki-like illness with coronary artery aneurysms. These are serious issues with long term effects. Just because covid doesnt kill you; it doesn’t mean you will ever be quite the same either.

-the teachers and staff. My god, how can we ask this of them? After cautiously sheltering in place for months, we are now asking them to basically jump into the lions den and interact with hundreds of children with thousands of household contacts. The more exposure you have, the more risk you have. Trust me, we WILL see teachers and bus drivers and cafeteria workers and other staff — and their family members— who get sick and die.

-I want to continue having my parents involved in my kids life. If we strictly isolate, I feel safe doing so. But If the kids go back to school and interact with dozens of kids from dozens of homes, the risk to my parents increases exponentially.

-I do strongly believe that since we CAN keep our kids home without significant detrimental effects, we SHOULD. There are so, so many people in our community whose lives and careers and finances will be devastated by having to do remote learning. We will not be. We can do so for a year without undue harm to my kids or our careers or our finances. I choose to keep my kids home so that families who absolutely cannot do so have just a little bit more safety at school.

I acknowledge that we are EXTREMELY privileged for me to only work part-time clinically and am able to do my non-clinical work remotely and help home school. And my parents live here and are willing and fully engaged to help us home school during the weeks I absolutely have to be in the hospital.

This seems like a goddamn nightmare for any family with a single parent, two working parents who cannot work from home, families with out extended family support, and families with ESL, kids with IEPs, exceptional children, etc etc.

I have zero answers as to how to make it better. Zero. I don’t want kids falling behind disproportionally because their parents cannot afford to home school or hire tutors. I also don’t want to see kids sick from covid and dead teachers.

Any plan than is less than 100% not in-person seems doomed to only worsen and exacerbate the achievement gap between the haves/have nots.

But — Any plan that involves more in person time also puts kids and teachers more at risk. And these teachers quite frankly do not get paid enough to risk their and their families lives.

I have no answer. It is impossible.
 
Nationwide, the average teacher salary was $60,477 during the 2017-18 school year, according to the National Education Association, the national teachers union. So if two teachers are married, their average HH income would be approx $120K per year.

The median household income in America reached $61,937 in 2018, according to U.S. Census data.

Teachers earn about double the median annual household income in the US.

So how is this underpaid?
 
Nationwide, the average teacher salary was $60,477 during the 2017-18 school year, according to the National Education Association, the national teachers union. So if two teachers are married, their average HH income would be approx $120K per year.

The median household income in America reached $61,937 in 2018, according to U.S. Census data.

Teachers earn about double the median annual household income in the US.

So how is this underpaid?
And that doesn't account for their total compensation package, which I maintain is far better than the typical employee in the private sector.
 
Interesting article on the myth that teachers are underpaid:

 
Teachers have very powerful unions.....in some large, urban areas. But there are no teachers' unions anywhere in the south. That's a very broad statement.

From my understanding, the biggest hurdle is transportation, and how to do it equitably. There are no good options there.

The pandemic has highlighted and amplified every inequity that already existed in our system, including public education.
 
Nationwide, the average teacher salary was $60,477 during the 2017-18 school year, according to the National Education Association, the national teachers union. So if two teachers are married, their average HH income would be approx $120K per year.

The median household income in America reached $61,937 in 2018, according to U.S. Census data.

Teachers earn about double the median annual household income in the US.

So how is this underpaid?
It's dependent on where they live. Keep in mind that they all do the same job, but in several parts of the country, based on their educational level, they are grossly underpaid.
 
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It's dependent on where they live. In places like Texas, Oklahoma and West Virginia, it's a different story. Those are right to work states, the unions are not powerful, and they can't even negotiate pay. I've never met a teacher that was in it for the money.

Yes there are regional differences. This just reflects the average nationwide. However, keep in mind that in lower cost states, median HH income is also lower. The interesting thing about the article I posted is that they found when teachers leave the teaching profession for the private sector, they do not earn more money on average. This suggests that they are fairly paid for their qualifications. Otherwise, they would, on average, be getting higher pay elsewhere.
 
Interesting article on the myth that teachers are underpaid:

And I could find articles disputing this. I can't post any right now as I'm on a tablet.

My sister taught both in California and then Missouri. I don't think she ever felt like she was overpaid. And I'm still wondering about this wonderful compensation package she supposedly received according to Cornell.
 
Teachers have very powerful unions.....in some large, urban areas. But there are no teachers' unions anywhere in the south. That's a very broad statement.

From my understanding, the biggest hurdle is transportation, and how to do it equitably. There are no good options there.

The pandemic has highlighted and amplified every inequity that already existed in our system, including public education.
Was not aware of that (about the unions) - thank you for setting me straight on that.
 
It's dependent on where they live. Keep in mind that they all do the same job, but in several parts of the country, based on their educational level, they are grossly underpaid.

The gap varies depending on how the data is measured. This Money magazine study found an overall 11% teacher pay gap compared to average weekly salary for similarly educated college graduates. (The pay gap takes benefits into account.)


IMHO, an 11% pay gap, on average, is not big enough to say that teachers as a profession are underpaid.
 
And I could find articles disputing this. I can't post any right now as I'm on a tablet.

My sister taught both in California and then Missouri. I don't think she ever felt like she was overpaid. And I'm still wondering about this wonderful compensation package she supposedly received according to Cornell.

No one is saying teachers are overpaid. We are discussing whether teachers are fairly paid compared to other workers in the USA.

The Money magazine study I posted (which leans liberal and thus, supports the bias that teachers are underpaid), says that teachers’ benefit packages are 7% higher, on average, than other college educated workers.

From googling this topic, I am seeing a lot of data manipulation depending on what bias the source has and the point they want to make. The center left wants to increase teacher salaries so they say teachers are significantly underpaid. The center right pulls data that says it is a myth that teachers are underpaid. They are probably both wrong.

I am guessing the reality is that teacher salaries are somewhat lower on average than similarly college educated professionals and the same or higher than the average US worker salary. In terms of median household income, I suspect that teachers tend to live with another college educated professional so they probably do earn double or more than the average median household income.

IMO, teaching is a calling. My in-laws were both teachers. They owned their own home, raised two successful kids, traveled a lot, and retired with a nice pension.

I have a close friend who used to be a teacher in Hawaii. She left the profession to make more money. Initially she did not make much more actually. But then after about 10 years in the private sector, she got on the VP track in large corporations and she eventually made a boatload more money than a teacher. But most teachers who leave teaching will not be on that track.
 
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I am assuming by the posts having followed mine that a couple of you jumped on the last sentence of the Duke COVID doctor’s response, thus your argument seems to be that teachers are paid enough to risk their and their families lives.

As a mother and grandmother, I found these most compelling, “I am not willling to risk the health and vitality of my kids to find out what those long term side effects might be” and “Just because covid doesnt kill you; it doesn’t mean you will ever be quite the same either.
 
I am assuming by the posts having followed mine that a couple of you jumped on the last sentence of the Duke COVID doctor’s response, thus your argument seems to be that teachers are paid enough to risk their and their families lives.

As a mother and grandmother, I found these most compelling, “I am not willling to risk the health and vitality of my kids to find out what those long term side effects might be” and “Just because covid doesnt kill you; it doesn’t mean you will ever be quite the same either.

I am not sure what the point is here because I missed the posts you are referring to. Teachers are not paid to risk their lives. Most people are not in high risk jobs and are not paid to risk their lives. Anyone who works with the public now or who is an essential worker is in the unfortunate position of being more at risk of catching covid but their salaries are not based on Covid. This is hopefully a once in a lifetime situation and we will return to working in safer conditions soon.
 
I can tell you there are 2 teacher unions in Arkansas- one is the AEA (NEA) and the other is ASTA. Despite the presence of two unions, neither is very strong and neither has many members.
 
Our school released their fall plans with contingencies for everything from 100% virtual to hybrid to 100% in person with “new protocols”.

I am cautiously optimistic. The plans include a shift from 8 class periods in a semester to 4 classes per quarter. With actual teaching and accountability for classroom (real or virtual) attendance across all models.

@Glynda thank you for posting your niece’s perspective. I appreciate the insights. And I agree - it is an impossible situation. The best we can do is try to do what works for our own circumstances.
 
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I think the worst paid job in America is social worker. Social workers generally need a master’s degree and they get paid less than teachers with a bachelors degree. The conditions they work in are awful. There are some exceptions to this of course but it is rare. This is partly why mental health care in America is in the bad situation it is.
 
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@Cornell have you looked into any post-secondary credit opportunities for college credit also satisfying high school requirements?

I was peripherally researching just on the contingency that if the self-instruction model from the end of last year would continue, my student may as well earn basic college credits at the same time and perhaps receive better instruction from the community college.
 
@Cornell have you looked into any post-secondary credit opportunities for college credit also satisfying high school requirements?

I was peripherally researching just on the contingency that if the self-instruction model from the end of last year would continue, my student may as well earn basic college credits at the same time and perhaps receive better instruction from the community college.
I actually have and she’s enrolled in 2 dual credit classes next year.

BTW love your avatar. I have a set of Raygun coasters that I love . And one is your avatar.
 
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