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Saving 2020 HGVC Club points into 2021

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It would also be a nice gesture if they let owners trade unused 2020 points for 2021 maint fees, at a more favorable rate than bonus points.
Problem is that If they take that route WHO is gonna pay for the MF then?

With all the freebees, free booking in 2021, free double saving 2019 points to 2021, free cancellations, cant sell anything direct (currently only)HGV is not making that much money on fees etc. Sure they make some money but they also have shareholders to satisfy, employees to pay etc.
 

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Problem is that If they take that route WHO is gonna pay for the MF then?

With all the freebees, free booking in 2021, free double saving 2019 points to 2021, free cancellations, cant sell anything direct (currently only)HGV is not making that much money on fees etc. Sure they make some money but they also have shareholders to satisfy, employees to pay etc.
It would be interesting to know what insurance coverage the resorts have.


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It would be interesting to know what insurance coverage the resorts have.


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I honestly don’t think anything covers this. The resort of course have fire insurance but people being unable or not allowed to checkin due to a factor not caused by the resort or anyone else I don’t think is covered. You could also argue that each resort is not losing money because everything is paid by owners.
 

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It would be interesting to know what insurance coverage the resorts have.
I thought I read somewhere (maybe in a newsletter from HGV) where they stated they didn't expect any insurance coverage, which makes sense -- I would highly doubt businesses would carry pandemic insurance (it certainly isn't covered under "normal" insurance such as liability, fire / wind, etc.).

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I thought I read somewhere (maybe in a newsletter from HGV) where they stated they didn't expect any insurance coverage, which makes sense...
What? They didn't buy cancellation insurance like they push on us?
 

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Remember HGV have to follow the laws of timeshares and without knowing them I assume each state have their own set of and those with the strictest rules will be the one that will “fit” all.
Someday I would like to meet the timeshare police that enforce the laws of timeshares.
:shrug:
 

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Someday I would like to meet the timeshare police that enforce the laws of timeshares.
They're also the mattress police who track who's removing tags from mattresses.
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Someday I would like to meet the timeshare police that enforce the laws of timeshares.
:shrug:
Sarcastic or not there are rules and laws to be followed and HGVC knows that. HGVC wont risk not following the rules.
 

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Problem is that If they take that route WHO is gonna pay for the MF then?

With all the freebees, free booking in 2021, free double saving 2019 points to 2021, free cancellations, cant sell anything direct (currently only)HGV is not making that much money on fees etc. Sure they make some money but they also have shareholders to satisfy, employees to pay etc.
You are correct. We can expect a nice high raise in the member fees as well as other fees in 2021 and or 2022. I know that the Condo we own has mentioned in a Board Meeting that if a number of owners don't pay their Association Fees the Association will have to make up for it with higher Association Fees are the other owners!
 

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Being closed, some costs go down. It is also possible to do renovation work that would otherwise cause closures. Last time I was at HCNY, the floor the lounge is on was closed for work. If they are smart, they will utilize some of the downtime to do things difficult to do when fully booked.
 

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Being closed, some costs go down. It is also possible to do renovation work that would otherwise cause closures. Last time I was at HCNY, the floor the lounge is on was closed for work. If they are smart, they will utilize some of the downtime to do things difficult to do when fully booked.
They will be repainting the exterior of Lagoon tower while it is shut down.
 

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Being closed, some costs go down. It is also possible to do renovation work that would otherwise cause closures. Last time I was at HCNY, the floor the lounge is on was closed for work. If they are smart, they will utilize some of the downtime to do things difficult to do when fully booked.

In some area, such as where i live, things like remodeling and construction are banned activities so i imagine that would limit HGV or any companies ability to renovate during the SIP. Of course whats banned varies quite a bit from location to location.
 

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In some area, such as where i live, things like remodeling and construction are banned activities so i imagine that would limit HGV or any companies ability to renovate during the SIP. Of course whats banned varies quite a bit from location to location.
Yeah, I guess I hadn't seen much going on when walking around, although usually it's pretty low key here. Landscaping and such, though, are still in full swing. Leaf blowers and hedge trimmers galore :)

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In some area, such as where i live, things like remodeling and construction are banned activities so i imagine that would limit HGV or any companies ability to renovate during the SIP. Of course whats banned varies quite a bit from location to location.
As far as I know, there are no such restrictions in Hawaii on construction. I live in San Diego and construction isn't banned. I just finished a remodel on my house.
 

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Being closed, some costs go down. It is also possible to do renovation work that would otherwise cause closures. Last time I was at HCNY, the floor the lounge is on was closed for work. If they are smart, they will utilize some of the downtime to do things difficult to do when fully booked.
As long as employees still get paid most operating costs remain the same. However costs of housekeeping utilities will go down but that is not a big cost on the budget I think.
 

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As long as employees still get paid most operating costs remain the same. However costs of housekeeping utilities will go down but that is not a big cost on the budget I think.
Housekeeping is a massive cost especially in union states.
 

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So if I have trips currently booked in 2020 using 2020 points. I pay to auto save my remaining 2020 points now. Then I end up cancelling one of my 2020 reservations. When I cancel the 2020 reservation using 2020 points, will those then be auto saved or will I have to pay again to save them?
Officially No, those canceled points would not automatically save into 2021. But I have had success in the past with calling them and manually moving them since I paid to save them.
Auto save USED to save the points at the end of the year, but they have reprogrammed it and it autosaves the points overnight once you make payment.

I just paid for auto save yesterday and all my points are in 2021 as of this morning.
Clarification: Does Autosave

a) only save points left over at the end of the year? (one time save at the end of the year)
b) It saves as you go when 2020 points free up after you cancel?
c) saves the points you have now and doesn't save points that may show up from cancellations later in the year?

lastly:

If you have banked 2019 points, It won't touch those points because they are 2019?

Sorry for possibly duplicating earlier posts but I am still confused as to how this works.
I just wanted to follow up this thread with my experience as it contradicts some of the previous expectations. Based on my experience, the answer to the above is B.

I had several late year reservations but I wanted to take advantage of the early discount for selecting auto save. About 24 hours after paying for auto save, all the unused 2020 points in my account were rolled into 2021. I have made several reservation changes since then - sometimes cancelling complete weeks, sometimes changing room sizes...etc. What I have noticed is that about every four weeks the system has automatically saved any 2020 points freed up in my account. Each time I receive an email confirming this transaction, no fee is charged and my online dashboard shows the points moved into 2021.
 
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