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ROFR Exercised/Passed

Thanks for this data point!
I didn’t know that it was easy to book but that’s great to know. Maybe this is one I keep for a few years and just wait and see and if I feel like I need to offload and get something else with lower MFs thats something I can do down the road. Again first step into timesharing and in my mind I just felt better having a home resort that I want to go to. Big Island is amazing, definitely one of the coolest places I have been. I get 4 weeks per year of vacation and my husband is self employed. I feel like I am just sort of opening the door a little crack into this mode of booking travel. Trying to take the stress out of my life. The last time I booked a resort through expedia it was $3500 for a 2 bedroom condo, 4 days, 2019. We booked at a bed and breakfast in Hawaii and it was $280 per night closer to Hilo. It was nice but I feel like there is a better way! I am interested in learning more about RCI exchanges as well. Some interesting places I have never been!
don't let perfect be the enemy of the good

you paid almost nothing for a good timeshare in a great system at a resort you want to visit. You won!

We own Hawaii and love it. Supplement with cheaper Vegas points. We don't have the cheapest MFs overall compared to some but we just spent almost a week in a one bedroom staring at the ocean for under $1000 (cost of our points). E komo mai!
 
The following Legacy HGVC and HC resorts have been added to the ROFR db:

  • Liberty Place
  • La Pacifica
  • Maui Bay Villas
  • The Beach Resort Sesoko
  • Elara, by Hilton Club

If you purchased resale at any of these resorts, please add to the rofr db.
 
In April ROFR passed. The District Washington DC bHC, 23040 pts, annual, 2 Bedroom, Platinum deed

Included 22,848 pts in 2025, $5,100 purchase, $1,200 closing

Very nice!

Our bid for a District 2BR annual Platinum just went to ROFR. We agreed on a higher price than yours with the seller ($10k), but it’s still a bargain from our perspective. I haven’t seen a District resale get exercised yet, so we’re hoping for the best!
 
Very nice!

Our bid for a District 2BR annual Platinum just went to ROFR. We agreed on a higher price than yours with the seller ($10k), but it’s still a bargain from our perspective. I haven’t seen a District resale get exercised yet, so we’re hoping for the best!
Good luck. I think it will go through. At rofr.net all seven this year passed.
 
Any deeds, really. District especially, but Vegas deeds, too.

I did a fairly deep dive searching DC deeds before I purchased in late 2021. I have attached a summary of the deeds I found and most of the prices are from the 2020-2021 period, so they may not represent pricing prior to or since then. I may have some info on Elara, but will have to look for it. (Edit to add: I don't have detailed data on Elara deeds)

The EOY 1BR+ I bought was originally sold on 2017 for $27,620. I paid about $2000 + closing and transfer fees.
 

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Any deeds, really. District especially, but Vegas deeds, too.
I can get OO retail pricing if that helps with whatever you are trying to figure out. You can obtain other HGVC developer pricing by examining deed sales.
 
I did a fairly deep dive searching DC deeds before I purchased in late 2021. I have attached a summary of the deeds I found and most of the prices are from the 2020-2021 period, so they may not represent pricing prior to or since then. I may have some info on Elara, but will have to look for it.

The EOY 1BR+ I bought was originally sold on 2017 for $27,620. I paid about $2000 + closing and transfer fees.

Wow! $101k retail for a 2BR Platinum in 2021?

If our $10k offer goes through, I’ll chalk that up to a win.
 
Wow! $101k retail for a 2BR Platinum in 2021?

If our $10k offer goes through, I’ll chalk that up to a win.

When i was shopping for Vegas resales, my simplified rule was to approximate the original retail buyer paid $4 to $5 per point - it works out pretty well as an rough guess. Ultimately what the original buyer paid is irrelevant in terms of value of the deed. I compared value to what the vacations rental would cost without the timeshare vs with timeshare.

It is a nice feeling to get something 90% off though. It's a win.
 
I run a similar calculation for the MF / ClubPoint versus cash price in determining whether the vacation is worthwhile (comes in handy when doing the 1:32 HHonors conversion)

But I also look at price paid for the resale deed as a sunk cost. The unfortunate “price of admission” that both the buyer and seller can walk away happy with.

The bHC deeds have some intangibles attached, like the “anytime” 1:32 HHonors conversion (flexibility) or access to owners lounge or daily credit (direct benefit). Some folks value these higher than others.
 
$5 per point
This!
Many prior DPs shared up this thread (& elsewhere) which may help..
 
Pulled up the deed on the District unit we bid on (2BR Platinum Annual). It was sold at retail to the original buyers in 2017 for $95,550.
Is that a free pull?
Clark County ( Nevada ) now charges for looking at any of that information.
 
Is that a free pull?
Clark County ( Nevada ) now charges for looking at any of that information.

Yep. DC recorder will let the public browse the deeds and see “previews” of every page. If you want a full quality PDF, they charge for that. But to just browse and see small versions of each page, it’s free.
 
Is that a free pull?
Clark County ( Nevada ) now charges for looking at any of that information.
I just searched... It does show you the price, the name on deed etc, as public info although to look at the actual deed itself, looks like one has to add to cart (& presumably pay)...
Should still be able to see the price paid for the original retail deed (without paying anything), if one knows seller's name (which one should, once in contract to purchase etc)..
TY!
 
Screenshot of retail price of a deed for a 22,400 Vegas deed from Clark county website... (removing folks names, parcel numbers etc)...

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I just searched... It does show you the price, the name on deed etc, as public info although to look at the actual deed itself, looks like one has to add to cart (& presumably pay)...
Should still be able to see the price paid for the original retail deed (without paying anything), if one knows seller's name (which one should, once in contract to purchase etc)..
TY!
Now I understand ... sellers name.

When I do this search however, I see his sale to me, I do not see anything else he did in searching his name.
 
Now I understand ... sellers name.

When I do this search however, I see his sale to me, I do not see anything else he did in searching his name.
OK ... I see a CSV is available for download ... AND if you search for and pull the whole parcel then the searches are endless with your friendly AI.
 
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Is here a compiled database of the retail prices of HGV deeds?
I was looking for something similar but was never able to find such a database. There is an overwhelming amount of variability given the sheer number and types of deeds as well as due to each purchaser's ability to "negotiate" the sales price along with the impact of bonus points offered.

Other than looking up the actual recorded deeds, you can also see the original sales price if you do an "owner's update." The salesman will have a sheet with the original sales price of each deed you own (including the original down payment), current-year MFs and the trade-in value of each deed. Trade in value was equal to the original sales price for all my deeds. BTW - each of their listed MFs included the voluntary $7 donation.

Using my deeds for reference (excluding closing costs, transfer fees, activation fees, etc.):

Original sales price: $57k Resale price: $4k
Original sales price: $47k Resale price: $6k
Original sales price: $35k Resale price: $4k
Original sales price: $61k Resale price: $4k

The financial devastation suffered by the original owners is heartbreaking. They worked incredibly hard for their money and losing almost all of it when they had to sell likely represents years of blood, sweat and tears down the drain. I'm so grateful for TUG. This community has been a lifeline- what I've learned here has saved me from the same tragedy.
 
The financial devastation suffered by the original owners is heartbreaking. They worked incredibly hard for their money and losing almost all of it when they had to sell likely represents years of blood, sweat and tears down the drain. I'm so grateful for TUG. This community has been a lifeline- what I've learned here has saved me from the same tragedy.

Yeah, timeshare industry is a strange one!

Looking at the retail prices for the deeds, many of them exceed the median household income! While I’m sure some of them were bought with saved cash or by higher-income families, I know a lot of people were pressured into uncomfortable financial positions to make these purchases, and I resent that. No industry should operate this way, and if it requires manipulating people into positions they can’t afford for you to grow, then your business is parasitic by definition.

I discovered TUG too late to avoid the initial retail trap, but thanks to what I’ve learned since joining, we’ll never buy another retail deed again.

It’s too bad we spent all that money early on, but we live and learn! Some faster than others. Thankfully, the experience didn’t financially devastate us like I know it’s done to many others.

As an instrument the closest thing I can relate buying a retail timeshare to is buying a brand new sporty Mercedes. It costs a lot, depreciates rapidly, costs a lot to maintain, and you don’t get to drive it much (because it’s always in the shop for repairs). For a fancy Mercedes, you either lease it, or buy it used after it’s depreciated 90%, and know that it will cost a lot to maintain and will always be in the shop for repairs.
 
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