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heathpack said:
So it wasn’t “just be smart, wash your hands”? It was something more “hysterical”?
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I wouldn't call social distancing hysterical. I believe I also said people who are ill need to take care of themselves and stay away from others and everyone needs to practice good hygiene.
Buying all the toilet paper and ground beef is hysterical. Forcing so much of the country to shut down is hysterical and extreme.
Having good quarantine practices for those infected is not hysterical.
But making a 61 year old man who wants to go cross country skiing feel like he's going to be the cause of a town of 2000 people to be overrun with Covid-19 is hysterical.

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We're going to postpone our early April trip to hopefully end of May.
2+ months of social distancing and other measures should be able to tell officials if they're working.
I think the US is about 2 months behind China and other asian countries.
 
Shankilicious said:
I wouldn't call social distancing hysterical. I believe I also said people who are ill need to take care of themselves and stay away from others and everyone needs to practice good hygiene.
Buying all the toilet paper and ground beef is hysterical. Forcing so much of the country to shut down is hysterical and extreme.
Having good quarantine practices for those infected is not hysterical.
But making a 61 year old man who wants to go cross country skiing feel like he's going to be the cause of a town of 2000 people to be overrun with Covid-19 is hysterical.

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Well we shall agree to disagree on what hysterical is. I personally am not in a state of hysteria, nor have I bought any toilet paper or ground beef this week.

The fact are, however, if you have a highly contagious disease (which you can have even if you feel well) and you decide to travel and go eat in restaurants everyday, you may well infect a whole boatload of people.

Which is why China addressed this disease with total lockdown. As opposed to ski trips and dining out. You might feel like I’m being mean to a 61 yr old man, or that I’m hysterical. I can’t say I see it the same as you do.
 
heathpack said:
You probably aren’t contagious. But you could be. In which case you would not be a drop in the bucket. You’d be the precipitating event that starts the tsunami that hits that town hard.
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That is the mistake you and our illustrious politicians are making. We are not at the "zero point" on the "flattening curve." America is at least two weeks beyond the "zero point" on the infamous "flattening curve" promoted by the media.

At least 10,000 visitors, many having flown on flying petri dishes and passed through DIA, have preceded me to my destination over the last 14 days. There is no question coronavirus is circulating throughout that community, just like my home community.

That is why I am just another, late, drop in the bucket.
 
Shankilicious said:
I understand contagiousness and I understand that this is serious. But the numbers are so unbelievably disproportionate that the hysteria just doesn't make sense to me at all.
China is almost completely over this virus in just three months. Doesn't that say anything?
There has been one infected person in STL for over a week and she came back from Italy and has been quarantined with her family, known of whom have contracted it. That's why I throw out the numbers. Because people are completely ignoring the recovery numbers and speed. 77,000 out of 169,000 have recovered. That doesn't mean anything to anyone on here apparently.

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I am going to take the unpopular view and say I agree with you. I think the panic and hysteria is worse than the pandemic. I am so anxious right now about what is going on with the economy. Panic just fuels more bad news. It is becoming a self fulfilling prophecy. Most people who get the virus have no symptoms or mild symptoms. But everyone is panicked and anxious, including me. I am more anxious about how the economy is already affecting my business than I am about getting sick. I do not worry about getting sick. I worry about the economy being devastated by this and the many people who will be financially ruined. Keep in mind that financial ruin leads to bad physical and mental health so there will be more fall out to the epidemic than getting sick or dying.
 
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CO skier said:
That is the mistake you and our illustrious politicians are making. We are not at the "zero point" on the "flattening curve." America is at least two weeks beyond the "zero point" on the infamous "flattening curve" promoted by the media.

At least 10,000 visitors, many having flown on flying petri dishes and passed through DIA, have preceded me to my destination over the last 14 days. There is no question coronavirus is circulating throughout that community, just like my home community.

That is why I am just another, late, drop in the bucket.
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Actually what each of us does now really does matter. Potentially contributing to the exponential growth of disease makes no sense. If you want to go skiing, just go skiing. If you want to dine out, just dine out. Own your decisions and don’t kid yourself that you’re going to do right by that small town you’re going to. If that’s your intent, write em a check and stay home. You want to enjoy yourself, even if there could be a potentially devastating impact on others. Your choice.

For now. Choices like this are why government lock downs likely become necessary at some point in this narrative.
 
I am supposed to take a Tradewinds cruise in Fiji in May. I already paid for the cruise and the airfare on Fiji air. I doubt that Tradewinds and Fiji Air will be giving any credits. I am not planning on going and prepared to lose close to $5,000. In addition, we are supposed to close on a house in about a week. It is too late to cancel without losing our deposit. This is a substantial loss (I am embarrassed to say how much) but I can’t see getting into a bigger mortgage and putting down a substantial down payment - this is the SF Bay Area so you can only imagine how expensive this house is. I am scared to move forward with all the bad economic news and what is happening in the stock market and with my business falling apart. So we are already having significant economic fall out, unfortunately.
 
heathpack said:
Choices like this are why government lock downs likely become necessary at some point in this narrative.
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Hopefully, at some point in the ongoing narrative, cooler heads prevail, and the government leaders realize Coronavirus is not the Andromeda Strain. Given the current hysteria, I have no confidence cooler heads will prevail.
 
TravelTime said:
I am supposed to take a Tradewinds cruise in Fiji in May. I already paid for the cruise and the airfare on Fiji air. I doubt that Tradewinds and Fiji Air will be giving any credits. I am not planning on going and prepared to lose close to $5,000. In addition, we are supposed to close on a house in about a week. It is too late to cancel without losing our deposit. This is a substantial loss (I am embarrassed to say how much) but I can’t see getting into a bigger mortgage and putting down a substantial down payment - this is the SF Bay Area so you can only imagine how expensive this house is. I am scared to move forward with all the bad economic news and what is happening in the stock market and with my business falling apart. So we are already having significant economic fall out, unfortunately.
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It sucks. Is this the Richmond home or another new home?
 
VacationForever said:
It sucks. Is this the Richmond home or another new home?
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It is a new home. We were planning to move back to Los Gatos and sell the home in Point Richmond. Now this seems like the wrong time. I am not sure we could sell the other home now. We would be owning three homes at once if we go through with the new purchase. It is a hard decision because we want to move back to Los Gatos because the commute is not working out from Point Richmond. So I am so I torn. But housing prices will also be falling so we would probably be overpaying for the new home in Los Gatos. I feels like it is a no win.
 
I kind of doubt that any of us will be traveling in the next few weeks as regions get quarantined. Part of me thinks this is very odd.

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TravelTime said:
It is a new home. We were planning to move back to Los Gatos and sell the home in Point Richmond. Now this seems like the wrong time. I am not sure we could sell the other home now. We would be owning three homes at once if we go through with the new purchase. It is a hard decision because we want to move back to Los Gatos because the commute is not working out from Point Richmond. So I am so I torn. But housing prices will also be falling so we would probably be overpaying for the new home in Los Gatos. I feels like it is a no win.
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My family is in Santa Cruz, just over the hill from Lo s Gatos. I've been watching real estate prices online. The number of homes showing a drop in price has surprised me. And this began way before the coronavirus. So, the bubble did pop. Only question is, how far down will the prices go? I know the hurt of losing the earnest money deposit, but certainly less than taking on an additional mortgage. I commend you for making that tough decision.
 
Left 3 weeks in Kauai ts where there were no noticable effects. Arrived today for 1 week ts in Scottsdale AZ, resort is full of cars but less people than usual. Met 6 others in the jacuzzi as usual. Went to Target for food; no issues but some aisles were empty like soup and milk and many fresh and frozen meat were gone. Not a lot of eggs or frozen pizza. Apparantly not a lot of vegetarians shop Target as lots of Almond coconut milk, humus, organic bananas / green peppers / peanut butter / salmon.

Golf courses haven't rediced rates here yet, good courses still > $200 on Golf Now and Teeoff. Guess I'll be hitting hiking trails all week.

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mdurette said:
I asked this question because I still desire to go somewhere. I was curious as to what you are all doing. So far we are 2 for 2 with cancellations during this time period. Disneyland and Disney cruise. Then Disneyworld.

Dinner conversation tonight was about ideas, here is what we concluded.
1. the next 2 weeks with us all home is going to be miserable and tremendously boring for the kiddo since DH and I would end up working.
2. If we avoid crowded places, it should be no worse than being at home with our normal day to day.
3. Safest thing is to drive to a vacation. But, ugh...New England at the end of March.
4. We all want warmth., but that would mean flying. Carolinas, Florida maybe.

We all decided we wanted to do something, but wherever we go take the same precautions as home. The only true difference would be the plane ride. And of course that dumn a$$ Jet Blue passenger in the news today is on my mind.
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My update: what a difference a couple days make. Friday, I had decided to ski NH or VT. But on Saturday, I texted my house/pet sitter to let her know what I was thinking. I am super impressed, this 25 year old didn't make a judgement, she didn't say don't go. She texted me back ok and then mentioned how crazy this all is and that all her friends have decided to do their part and help slow this down so the US can manage what is to come by cancelling their weekly game night. THAT was what it took to make "get it" A 1/2 dozen millennials giving up their game night to do their part. It wasn't about low risk to me (going to/from and area with no confirmed cases), it is about staying put to help stop the spread.
 
heathpack said:
Wow. Ok.

Or some people have a strong background in epidemiology, public health, and infectious disease and are literally rendered speechless by this mindset.

You probably aren’t contagious. But you could be. In which case you would not be a drop in the bucket. You’d be the precipitating event that starts the tsunami that hits that town hard.

Enjoy your trip. Hopefully you get what you want out of it.
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I think we all need to be careful in judging others for what we may perceive to be a poor decision, where they are not doing something against the advice of public health officials. If someone is acting against the advice of public health officials, have at them. (like the idiot on the Jet Blue flight).
 
If we'd all practice social distancing, maybe we won't end up with a lockdown. Although it sure looks like where we're heading.
 
I don’t think we should attack one another. We just need to make sure folks have a clear understanding and are aware why we need social distancing.

Because we weren’t practicing social distancing (Disney parks were crowded, cruise ships were still full and the crowds were still going to public events, etc.) things had to be forced upon us.

Imagine our healthcare system getting overloaded and having to decide who gets to live or die. Italy has warned everyone. And the experts finally got through that everyday we delay, we are increasing the number of folks that could be exposed to COVID 19.

There are lots of great links about COVID-19 on TUG. If you haven’t read these below, please do so.
We’re all going to be impacted. Our daily lives have to be disrupted in order to slow down the spreading. Small and big companies are going to take a hit due to forced social distancing. Some of us will take a hit in the markets, take a hit in our pay and/or lose our jobs. Some of us are going to lose folks in our extended families, neighborhoods, jobs, churches, clubs, online forums, etc.

As stated in the previous article posted “By taking these actions on both a personal and societal level, we give ourselves the best chance to mitigate the impact of Covid-19. It's too late now to prevent this coronavirus from spreading in our communities, but by working together to limit and slow that spread, we can save lives.”
 
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Ski-Dad said:
I think we all need to be careful in judging others for what we may perceive to be a poor decision, where they are not doing something against the advice of public health officials. If someone is acting against the advice of public health officials, have at them. (like the idiot on the Jet Blue flight).
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A lot of people don’t know what to think. Discussing this stuff in any kind of “public” venue is important. It helps to formulate opinions of those who are open to change. Applying social pressure or “judging” others is appropriate if their behavior is a danger to others.

I can’t say what local authorities are saying where @CoSkier lives (since I don’t know where he lives). But here’s what the CDC says: https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/travelers/travel-in-the-us.html

Pretty much what I’ve said in this thread except I’ve added more discussion of consequences than the CDC has.

My point in most of my conversation to others about this is to push the concept that we all need a paradigm shift with the disease. Look out for ourselves but even more so for our community and society.
 
Shankilicious said:
I wouldn't call social distancing hysterical. I believe I also said people who are ill need to take care of themselves and stay away from others and everyone needs to practice good hygiene.
Buying all the toilet paper and ground beef is hysterical. Forcing so much of the country to shut down is hysterical and extreme.
Having good quarantine practices for those infected is not hysterical.
But making a 61 year old man who wants to go cross country skiing feel like he's going to be the cause of a town of 2000 people to be overrun with Covid-19 is hysterical.

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Unless, of course, he is.
 
heathpack said:
A lot of people don’t know what to think. Discussing this stuff in any kind of “public” venue is important. It helps to formulate opinions of those who are open to change. Applying social pressure or “judging” others is appropriate if their behavior is a danger to others.

I can’t say what local authorities are saying where @CoSkier lives (since I don’t know where he lives). But here’s what the CDC says: https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/travelers/travel-in-the-us.html

Pretty much what I’ve said in this thread except I’ve added more discussion of consequences than the CDC has.

My point in most of my conversation to others about this is to push the concept that we all need a paradigm shift with the disease. Look out for ourselves but even more so for our community and society.
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I guess my point is just that, lets not be judging people who are partaking in activities consistent with the advice of public health officials. @COSkier1 is being criticized for choosing to go to a small town and partaking in cross country skiing. I am unaware of any public health recommendation anywhere in North America that has suggested that local travel be restricted or limited aside from those returning from an identified hot spot or having been direct contact with an infected person.

For my own part, I and my family are all on board with public health recommendations. I have canceled both personal and business travel following the recommendations of public health officials.

If public health tells us all to stay home, that is what we should do. We are not there yet.
 
alwysonvac said:
I don’t think we should attack one another. We just need to make sure folks have a clear understanding and are aware why we need social distancing.

Because we weren’t practicing social distancing (Disney parks were crowded, cruise ships were still full and the crowds were still going to public events, etc.) things had to be forced upon us.

Imagine our healthcare system getting overloaded and having to decide who gets to live or die. Italy has warned everyone. And the experts finally got through that everyday we delay, we are increasing the number of folks that could be exposed to COVID 19.

There are lots of great links about COVID-19 on TUG. If you haven’t read these below, please do so.
We’re all going to be impacted. Our daily lives have to be disrupted in order to slow down the spreading. Small and big companies are going to take a hit due to forced social distancing. Some of us will take a hit in the markets, take a hit in our pay and/or lose our jobs. Some of us are going to lose folks in our extended families, neighborhoods, jobs, churches, clubs, online forums, etc.

As stated in the previous article posted “By taking these actions on both a personal and societal level, we give ourselves the best chance to mitigate the impact of Covid-19. It's too late now to prevent this coronavirus from spreading in our communities, but by working together to limit and slow that spread, we can save lives.”
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Thank you. This is probably the most reasoned post I have read on TUG. I hope everyone will read it and heed it.
 
The more travel that is limited the better. Not always easy but on and off islands or a group of islands (Hawaii) should be easy. Where I live people want to limit areas to a few hundred thousand. A few spots where that is actually easy to do as there are limited roads. I would limit travel into countries which is already starting in a lot of places.

It seems we are a few steps behind every time. Travel to from China should have been stopped well before it did. Europe as well.
 
Only trip on our horizon is a domestic driving trip in a couple of months and no need to make any changes now!
 
Canada closed its border today except to Canadian and USA citizens... this week Canada approved USMCA trade deal so we are brothers in arms.

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