Phase 3 at Kings Land

[GregT]

All,

Apologies for typos (Dratted iPhone) and if this is redundant.

Three new buildings are being constructed opposite the Operations Center and Building 1. I obtained a sales brochure that indicates they are a mixture of Phase 1 and Phase 2 floor plans/point requirements. It appears they are building exact replica of existing floors and calling them Golf or Garden views. The only new point addition is a 3BR unit that is luxury priced (23K points). But it is the same floor layout as Phase 1 - truly just copying existing floor plans and point charts into the new phase.

Kings Land is an interesting property. TUGgers know that I love timeshares that connect into an adjacent hotels amenities and this is a prime example. I love the Hilton Waikoloa Village (HWV) hotel as an excursion in its own right, although we like returning to KL after being out and about.

But Big Island as a whole is interesting. From conversations with HWV staff, occupancy is down and the nonstop flight from Tokyo had been canceled. Fewer Japanese guests are coming to this hotel built-to-attract-Japanese tourists. Small wonder that one day Ocean Tower will be timeshares.

And yet Kings Land continues to build. Interesting stuff.

I'm happy because I love this property and look forward to many happy returns. I welcome continued expansion because I think it makes it easier for me to return.

Best,

Greg

 

[mjm1]

Greg, thanks for the update. We have visited KL but haven't stayed there. Really liked the pool area as well as what we saw of the resort. The hotel grounds were also very nice. Some day we need to find a way to stay there. Perhaps an owner trade some time in the future.

Best regards.

Mike

 

[presley]

Fewer Japanese guests are coming to this hotel built-to-attract-Japanese tourists. Small wonder that one day Ocean Tower will be timeshares.

What is going on with Ocean Tower at this time? The last time I was there, it was closed off, as well as the areas next to it (the water slide and the outdoor bar/snack station on the waterfront). I saw a photo on Tug of a sign that said a timeshare was coming to that location. It's been a few years. I am wondering if they kept it closed, or reopened it for hotel guests.

 

[elleny76]

Hi, Just curious about this resort . Do they have "kids" area? like water park with sprinkles? What else is there to do a family with toddlers? Just curious ( I don't see much in the website)

All,

Apologies for typos (Dratted iPhone) and if this is redundant.

Three new buildings are being constructed opposite the Operations Center and Building 1. I obtained a sales brochure that indicates they are a mixture of Phase 1 and Phase 2 floor plans/point requirements. It appears they are building exact replica of existing floors and calling them Golf or Garden views. The only new point addition is a 3BR unit that is luxury priced (23K points). But it is the same floor layout as Phase 1 - truly just copying existing floor plans and point charts into the new phase.

Kings Land is an interesting property. TUGgers know that I love timeshares that connect into an adjacent hotels amenities and this is a prime example. I love the Hilton Waikoloa (HWH) hotel as a diversion in its own right, although we like coming back to KL.

But Big Island as a whole is interesting. From conversations with HWH staff, occupancy is down and the nonstop from Tokyo had been canceled. Fewer Japanese guests are coming to this hotel built-to-attract-Japanese tourists. Small wonder that one day Ocean Tower will be timeshares.

And yet Kings Land continues to build. Interesting stuff.

I'm happy because I love this property and look forward to many happy returns. I welcome continued expansion because I think it makes it easier for me to return.

Best,

Greg

 

[linsj]

What is going on with Ocean Tower at this time? The last time I was there, it was closed off, as well as the areas next to it (the water slide and the outdoor bar/snack station on the waterfront). I saw a photo on Tug of a sign that said a timeshare was coming to that location. It's been a few years. I am wondering if they kept it closed, or reopened it for hotel guests.

I stayed in the Ocean Tower September 2013 and 2015. Nothing around it was closed, and the sign wasn't there. I asked a salesman about the conversion. He said it's scheduled after the new tower at HHV and Kings Land phase 3.

 

[GregT]

What is going on with Ocean Tower at this time? The last time I was there, it was closed off, as well as the areas next to it (the water slide and the outdoor bar/snack station on the waterfront). I saw a photo on Tug of a sign that said a timeshare was coming to that location. It's been a few years. I am wondering if they kept it closed, or reopened it for hotel guests.

Here is the thread where we tracked the progress -- the third page is most current and I expect that this project will proceed. I do believe the tower is open to hotel guests now, but will confirm when we return to the property (today I think).

Best,

Greg

 

[GregT]

Hi, Just curious about this resort . Do they have "kids" area? like water park with sprinkles? What else is there to do a family with toddlers? Just curious ( I don't see much in the website)

They do have a "kids" area, but it is more limited than other timeshare pools I have seen. If you are looking for an Orlando style pool (or even a pirate ship pool like MOC or WKORV), it doesn't exist here. They do have a shallow area with some water streams and a kid-friendly slide -- and then there are other slides in the pool area that will really appeal to the 6+ year old kid (and the 48 year old kid). It's a wonderful property. The hotel has a similar kids pool area -- again, good but not best in class.

Best,

Greg

 

[presley]

Thank you both. We stayed in the Ocean Tower during our very first visit to Hawaii. We were cramped in our room (family of 4), but we hardly spent anytime inside there. Since it was our first visit to Hawaii, it was very magical. I am looking forward to staying there again, only in a larger room. Hopefully, I will be able to get a reservation there when it opens up.

 

[GregT]

One other comment -- the Phase 3 artist sketch shows a pool between two of the buildings (the two closest to Kohala Suites) but I can't tell whether it will be a simple pool or a bigger pool. I'm guessing simple.

Does anyone have the site map of Kings Land? I have the one with Japanese characters on it, but it only shows the buildings to the north of the road. I recall seeing an original map somewhere that had the full development. I'm curious how many more buildings might be contemplated?

Best,

Greg

 

[1Kflyerguy]

All,

Three new buildings are being constructed opposite the Operations Center and Building 1. I obtained a sales brochure that indicates they are a mixture of Phase 1 and Phase 2 floor plans/point requirements. It appears they are building exact replica of existing floors and calling them Golf or Garden views. The only new point addition is a 3BR unit that is luxury priced (23K points). But it is the same floor layout as Phase 1 - truly just copying existing floor plans and point charts into the new phase.

K

Thanks for the great update. They had just started framing up the first set of new buildings when we were there last May.. At that point the buildings looked that would mirror Phase two with the interior hallways. Are you saying some of the new building will have the exterior entrances and high point deeds?

One of the Kiosk guys on Ohau had mentioned new high point deeds were coming to both HHV and the Big Island, but guessed he was just pushing me to upgrade..

Chris

 

[GregT]

Thanks for the great update. They had just started framing up the first set of new buildings when we were there last May.. At that point the buildings looked that would mirror Phase two with the interior hallways. Are you saying some of the new building will have the exterior entrances and high point deeds?

One of the Kiosk guys on Ohau had mentioned new high point deeds were coming to both HHV and the Big Island, but guessed he was just pushing me to upgrade..

Chris

Chris,

That is a good point -- none of the buildings have direct exterior entrances to the rooms, and all have interior hallways. However it is clear from the sales brochure that Phase 3 does include rooms that have Phase 1 point pricing (and have Phase 1 room layouts). So apparently they've found a new design that puts some Phase 1 and some Phase 2 rooms (and points) in a hybrid for Phase 3?

I hope that makes sense -- I love the patio furniture in Phase 1 (which I am sitting on right now) and hopes this makes it over to Phase 3.

Best,

Greg

 

[GregT]

Here are a few items from the sales brochure -- note how the points chart differentiates between Layouts -- F Large (Phase 1), K Small (Phase 2) and H Large (Phase 3) and then the layouts show how both are included in Phase 3. I cut off the legend at the bottom of the points chart, but F, K and H represent the parcels for the different phases.


Points chart for all of Kings Land

Floor Plan Layout -- 1BR

Floor Plan Layout -- 2BR and 3BR

Sketch of Phase 3

 

[presley]

I can't picture where phase 3 is. Is it on the same side of the property as phase one or phase 2? In the sketch picture, what is the building at the bottom of the page?

 

[SmithOp]

I can't picture where phase 3 is. Is it on the same side of the property as phase one or phase 2? In the sketch picture, what is the building at the bottom of the page?

Thats the service building for Phase 1 and Building 1.

Greg, how about Marriott, aren't they talking of converting that to TS also, maybe you can snoop around there

 

[linsj]

I can't picture where phase 3 is. Is it on the same side of the property as phase one or phase 2? In the sketch picture, what is the building at the bottom of the page?

Same side as phase 2. When you face phase 2 from the road, phase 3 is to the right.

 

[presley]

Thats the service building for Phase 1 and Building 1.

Same side as phase 2. When you face phase 2 from the road, phase 3 is to the right.

Hmm, sounds like a nice location for walking to other areas in Waikoloa. I wonder if it would be easy to walk to the shops from there or to the little strip of Waikoloa Beach.

 

[1Kflyerguy]

Thanks for posting the floor plans and point charts... With the inside hallways, no windows in the 2nd bedroom... I see they also added two bedrooms with "Garden" view, aka Parking Lot view... I will try and avoid those rooms.

 

[alwysonvac]

Thanks for sharing

But Big Island as a whole is interesting. From conversations with HWV staff, occupancy is down and the nonstop flight from Tokyo had been canceled. Fewer Japanese guests are coming to this hotel built-to-attract-Japanese tourists. Small wonder that one day Ocean Tower will be timeshares.

And yet Kings Land continues to build. Interesting stuff.

That's not good. The Hilton Waikoloa Village is a huge property to maintain. I wonder if the Ocean Tower conversion will be enough to keep things going.

If they ever decide to sell the Hilton hotel, Kings Land sales might take a hit :ignore:
So it's best for HGVC to build out and sell Kings Land units as much as they can while they still own the Waikoloa hotel. I'm sure access to the nearby Hilton hotel amenities is one of the additional owners benefits that they probably promote during their sales presentation.

 

[Helios]

That's not good. The Hilton Waikoloa Village is a huge property to maintain. I wonder if the Ocean Tower conversion will be enough to keep things going.

If they ever decide to sell the Hilton hotel, Kings Land sales might take a hit :ignore:
So it's best for HGVC to build out and sell Kings Land units as much as they can while they still own the Waikoloa hotel. I'm sure access to the nearby Hilton hotel amenities is one of the additional owners benefits that they probably promote during their sales presentation.

That is one of the main reason why I bought at Kings' Land.

 

[Helios]

Here are a few items from the sales brochure -- note how the points chart differentiates between Layouts -- F Large (Phase 1), K Small (Phase 2) and H Large (Phase 3) and then the layouts show how both are included in Phase 3. I cut off the legend at the bottom of the points chart, but F, K and H represent the parcels for the different phases.


Points chart for all of Kings Land

Any way they would allow a resale 12,600 unit to be used as equity yo purchase a higher points unit?

 

[SmithOp]

Hmm, sounds like a nice location for walking to other areas in Waikoloa. I wonder if it would be easy to walk to the shops from there or to the little strip of Waikoloa Beach.

There are two ways, the long way and the short cut. Long way is to walk to the hotel and take the beach walk, it leads all the way past Marriott to A-Bay beach, then a short walk to the shops from there. The short cut is to take the cutoff road through the golf course at the three way stop sign next to the driving range, it comes out at the shops. Its also a quick way to KL when driving into the resort.

Here is the map Greg wanted. I don't advise taking the Kings Trail, its very tricky over broken lava, easy to twist an ankle or worse.

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[presley]

Any way they would allow a resale 12,600 unit to be used as equity yo purchase a higher points unit?

Yes, they will. They will either offer you what you paid towards the new contract, or the full retail price of what you own (more than what you paid), it just depends on sales at the time and what you are going to buy. It has to be a decent upgrade, of course.

 

[GregT]

That's not good. The Hilton Waikoloa Village is a huge property to maintain. I wonder if the Ocean Tower conversion will be enough to keep things going.

If they ever decide to sell the Hilton hotel, Kings Land sales might take a hit :ignore:
So it's best for HGVC to build out and sell Kings Land units as much as they can while they still own the Waikoloa hotel. I'm sure access to the nearby Hilton hotel amenities is one of the additional owners benefits that they probably promote during their sales presentation.

It is interesting -- I do think the Ocean Tower conversion will make a major difference to the stability of HWV, because the same number of hotel guests are now split between two towers versus three, and now all the timeshare visitors will be incremental -- and I bet that tower will have high occupancy.

Marriott is doing something similar next door -- converting part of their hotel to timeshares, probably for the same reason.

I agree that it is best for HGVC to build out and sell Kings Land as much as they can, and I also think that if the HWV were to sell, Kings Land access would be attractive to a potential buyer of the the hotel, as they would like the incremental business that comes from those visitors.

Interesting stuff.

Best,

Greg

 

[GregT]

Thank you for the map, this is the one I was thinking of -- Kings Land has the potential to be much bigger than even now. I didn't realize they were contemplating building south of the Operations building. I knew there was still the possibility of building next to Phase 2, but thought that would be it. Will be curious to see if that happens.

Best,

Greg

 

[GregT]

Sketch of Phase 3

While kids did homework, I walked over to the construction site yesterday. Using lanai size as a guide (and roof configuration), I think that the middle building is entirely K Small/Phase 2 size units, with 1BRs facing the parking lot and 2BRs facing the golf course -- so really just a bigger version of the existing Phase 2 buildings.

I can't figure out the end buildings, as the roofs are different from both Phase 1 and Phase 2. Again based on size of the lanai, they appear to have 1BR and 2BR units that face the parking lot and then all 2BRs (and end unit 3BRs) that face the golf course. Based on the Accommodations description in the points chart, the ones facing the parking lot must be K Small/Phase 2 units, and the ones facing the golf course should be F Large/Phase 1 units. So truly a hybrid building?

These units are about as far away from the super pool as I would want to be. Realistically, even these units are a trek to the pool -- farther than Building 1 in Phase 1.

I wonder if Kings Land will bifurcate into two types of units -- those units with easy access to the Super Pool and Clubhouse (Phase 1 and 2) and those units that are more like Kohala Suites, ie great units next to a modest pool, and requiring a logistical exercise to get to the property amenities? I would be a little disappointed to pay Phase 1 point pricing and be located in Phase 3 -- and yet the floor layouts indicate that some of the Phase 3 units will be the F Large layouts.

Interesting.

Best,

Greg