Owner update next week at wgsmr&l

[DeniseM]

However, sometimes I read Raygo's posts aloud and they still don't make sense. There is more at play than typing/texting shorthand. There are gaps and leaps in thoughts that make it difficult to understand the intent.

I believe Ray is just new to expressing himself in writing on Social Media:

No, no Facebook Twitter etc. I was on tug a long time ago, a long time ago. Then, RCI was run out of a Couples basement in Indiana. That was BC, before cigna. Never had the time or desire. That's it. Couple weeks ago joined Facebook, but didn't do anything with it, and don't think I want to

Also - if you only use a phone or tablet when you write, it can be cumbersome.

 

[T-Dot-Traveller]

not cumbersome for teenagers

Perhaps cumbersome for folks like me .

Life is about learning / so try to learn something new everyday.

At least I learned what - wgsmr&I stands for
It took me a while to figure out WKORVN

 

[DeniseM]

Have you ever gotten a text from a teen? - they don't care about writing correctly. Not that they should, but skill with texting does not equate good, coherent writing, at all.

 

[ronparise]

I was shocked I was allowed to go to one recently. I suspect it is the last one I will be allowed to attend, and of course they shuffled me off to a different time period so that I would not "contaminate" the pool of high-potential prospects reserved for morning slots.

I, too, would be interested to hear what the "back-office" discussions were like during my visit. I also wonder if they had video surveillance... if so they probably noted that each time the sales person left, I availed myself of the opportunity to look over the notes and printouts they had on me.

I got a hint of what that back office talk must be from our favorite corporate sales person

I call her regularly to ask about one thing or another. The last time I asked her why she was always willing to talk to me when she knew I would probably never buy anything. She gave me three reasons 1) she has been able to learn as much from me (and BigRob) as I have been able to learn from her and 2) if I ever bought anything, she wants to be the one sell it to me, just for the bragging rights with the other salespeople. and 3) she wants to buy certain converted fixed weeks, and she knows I own and will one day sell, what she wants.

 

[T-Dot-Traveller]

sales

I got a hint of what that back office talk must be from our favorite corporate sales person

I call her regularly to ask about one thing or another. The last time I asked her why she was always willing to talk to me when she knew I would probably never buy anything. She gave me three reasons 1) she has been able to learn as much from me (and BigRob) as I have been able to learn from her and 2) if I ever bought anything, she wants to be the one sell it to me, just for the bragging rights with the other salespeople. and 3) she wants to buy certain converted fixed weeks, and she knows I own and will one day sell, what she wants.

Sales is not about telling lies .
It about getting the deal done . ( with a gain for both parties )

It sounds like she is good at what she does - and understands long term / not just selling today's "up" .

 

[raygo123]

I feel like Ray has had sales in a part of his life path per this post .

Just because the weasels lie does not mean that they lie about everything .They need to connect with you one on one to sell you and (some ) truthful conversation helps this.
FYI - In 2010 - 4 yrs past retail purchase we attended a Mayan update in Mazatlan .< they wanted me to buy more units based on the "rental opportunities " and it was one of the better , upside down writing / lots of boxes Vidanta presentations I have witnessed ( all weasel ) However -- I did learn in conversation with the salesperson was that the reason there was a newly updated Sea Garden brand model ( not part of our presentation / I had seen it while exploring the property ) was that while Vidanta had closed Sea Garden sales to gringos , they were actively marketing this brand to/in Mexican nationals contracts.That truth has helped me better understand Vidanta's overall strategy / big picture planning.

I think that type of info is why Ray wants to go to an owners update presentation .

Yes, out of college 7 yrs with Del Monte, went to San Francisco every year but 1, then 30 as a mfg. Rep for office furniture. Well we just checked in. Can you believe there is no pool in the indoor water park!



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[ronparise]

Yes, out of college 7 yrs with Del Monte, went to San Francisco every year but 1, then 30 as a mfg. Rep for office furniture. Well we just checked in. Can you believe there is no pool in the indoor water park!



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Dont be so sure,... look around its a big place

 

[Bigrob]

Yes, out of college 7 yrs with Del Monte, went to San Francisco every year but 1, then 30 as a mfg. Rep for office furniture. Well we just checked in. Can you believe there is no pool in the indoor water park!



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Well that's true if you're looking for a lap pool. However, there's a wave pool, a pool area where they shoot baskets, a pool area where the kids try to stay balanced on a snake, multiple hot tubs, wading pools, zero entry pools, etc. But... not really a "pool" in a traditional sense.

 

[raygo123]

Well that's true if you're looking for a lap pool. However, there's a wave pool, a pool area where they shoot baskets, a pool area where the kids try to stay balanced on a snake, multiple hot tubs, wading pools, zero entry pools, etc. But... not really a "pool" in a traditional sense.

Even though a no no, We were given the option to go tothe other smokey mountain resort to lap swim we shall see.

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[raygo123]

Well, the name was changed to protect the innocent.

It was called an educational meeting to maximize your point use. The initial "seminar" lasted 30 minutes or so. Credit card pushed hard. Also double booking and cancel and rebook.

Private meeting followed with a sales rep. He did not try to sell us anything. Went over our account details. One thing he said was that pic, at certain resorts, could be traded for Wyndham points, especially blue green.

Then came the closer, same guy who did the initial talk.
He initially talked about what I was not doing. And that I should be renting my points to cover MFs. I told him I'm booked through 2016. Also said I should be booking through nightly stays and that my each point is worth $10/1000. That is what I can get for a rental, and as platinum, I should have no problem getting whatever resort I wanted at 10 months. I told him I'm not to that knowledge level yet.

Now the real reason he was there! THE OFFER!
He asked how many children we had, and althougStarted saying that although we are perminiate gold, with PIC, they do not transfer, and they will be silver. Wife's replied, if they want gold they can buy it.

It now was time to close. The offer: buy 84,000 points of presidential reserve and you will no longer need PIC, and when you turn it over to children, both will be gold, all for only $15,000. 15,000, too much we said. At which time
We infomed him the price should be $11,000, but it didn't matter because we were broke. I told him we pay $130/1000. He didn't say too much pulled out his Calculator, then asked where we bought our points.
Then stated but this is reserve! We said goodbye

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[T-Dot-Traveller]

" If they want gold - they can buy it " - wife

" If they want it - THEY can buy it "

Tell your wife- that her statement is "an objection" that sales is going to find hard to overcome .

The closer probably saw her as " the broom flyer Denise posted "

spoiling his game when he thought he might get candy .

Enjoy the rest of your vacation / like you enjoyed today .

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Did you find the pool?

 

[raygo123]

" If they want it - THEY can buy it "

Tell your wife- that her statement is "an objection" that sales is going to find hard to overcome .

The closer probably say her as " the broom flyer Denise posted "

spoiling his game when he thought he might get candy .

Enjoy the rest of your vacation / like you enjoyed today .

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Did you find the pool?

We did find a pool. You go through all the kids stuff, the last thing, you go through another set of doors, and there is a pool there that CAN be used more for exercise than lap swimming, but then again, that's what my wife wanted it for and can do short laps. Not very crowded either.

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[alexadeparis]

No, no Facebook Twitter etc. I was on tug a long time ago, a long time ago. Then, RCI was run out of a Couples basement in Indiana. That was BC, before cigna. Never had the time or desire. That's it. Couple weeks ago joined Facebook, but didn't do anything with it, and don't think I want to.

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I like Ray's posts because they are short - quick -and usually add some information and /or thought to the discussion.
Typing is something I am learning (at 55+)using my Android phone & I pad . Perhaps Ray is travelling the same path.
For what it is worth - Swiss is a spoken language & the written language taught in schools is standard German . Texting by " kids " is creating a " written " version of the Swiss language.

Many of us type in standard "written " English .
Ray on the other hand is typing in colloquial spoken English .
Perhaps he is ahead of the rest of us Tuggers in the evolution of "smartphone / device based English .

Just a thought .

Very interesting post, and I did not realize that there's no written form of Swiss...

However, sometimes I read Raygo's posts aloud and they still don't make sense. There is more at play than typing/texting shorthand. There are gaps and leaps in thoughts that make it difficult to understand the intent.

Off topic, and please do not take this the wrong way, but if typing is not your thing, and if language arts are not your forte, please consider investing in Dragon Naturally Speaking (or similar) to make it easier on everyone who is trying to interpret your "colloquial English" back into "English". I get a headache on some of these threads, because it requires too much thought to figure out what the question really is. I read "legalese" all day, which carries its own challenges to translate; and I have to tell you, I don't want to be in "interpreter" mode when I get home and get on what is supposed to be a "relaxing, fun" board.

 

[raygo123]

Off topic, and please do not take this the wrong way, but if typing is not your thing, and if language arts are not your forte, please consider investing in Dragon Naturally Speaking (or similar) to make it easier on everyone who is trying to interpret your "colloquial English" back into "English". I get a headache on some of these threads, because it requires too much thought to figure out what the question really is. I read "legalese" all day, which carries its own challenges to translate; and I have to tell you, I don't want to be in "interpreter" mode when I get home and get on what is supposed to be a "relaxing, fun" board.

Let me know if this is better. On the question relating to RCI, on going search versus checking inventory through portal. The answer given by the closer at the presentation was, neither. It is better to book nightly stays for a week at ten month. Basically, don't use RCI at all. I never thought of doing that.

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[DeniseM]

Raygo123 - you are a good sport!

Question: Are you asking how to make Wyndham reservations, or how to exchange into non-Wyndham resorts?

 

[raygo123]

Oh well, I tried, the original question was for non Wyndham resorts. Sorry. It was the closer at the presentation that basically said never use RCI or any other external exchange.

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[DeniseM]

Oh well, I tried, the original question was for non Wyndham resorts. Sorry. It was the closer at the presentation that basically said never use RCI or any other external exchange.

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In other words, just as I originally said - he didn't know!

Here is the problem:

Sales people are unlikely to know anything about exchanging.

Sales people lie.

Trying to get accurate info. at a sales presentation is a waste of precious vacation time.

 

[tschwa2]

The answer is, it is best to do both (manually check and set up an ongoing search). RCI's searches are pretty good (Interval international's are much more glitchy). It's best to still continue to check manually because searches don't always pick up points inventory, it picks up weeks inventory. Also you might find something during a manual search that works for you but isn't exactly what you put in the search. For example you might see a 2 br sleeps 8 and you were only searching for a 3 br because most of the 2 br's you thought only slept 6 or you might see a resort that you didn't consider when starting your search.

 

[raygo123]

The answer is, it is best to do both (manually check and set up an ongoing search). RCI's searches are pretty good (Interval international's are much more glitchy). It's best to still continue to check manually because searches don't always pick up points inventory, it picks up weeks inventory. Also you might find something during a manual search that works for you but isn't exactly what you put in the search. For example you might see a 2 br sleeps 8 and you were only searching for a 3 br because most of the 2 br's you thought only slept 6 or you might see a resort that you didn't consider when starting your search.

OK, I agree with tschwa2, and denise, for RCI, but is best to do both. What was said at the presentation is, don't use RCI at all for external searches. Use the nightly stays. Just about all of RCI resorts are in that section. Less points are needed with a lesser fee. I have to verify that when I get back from vacation. They said there should be no problem getting whatever you want. At that point he got into a rental tangent about how you can get a great resort with great rental potential.

His whole direction from that point centered around that option paying for my MF, so I could afford to buy 84,000 more points, right!

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[DeniseM]

Ray - you are confusing me again…

Do you want to:

a) Use your Wyndham points and stay at Wyndham resorts.

b) Use the RCI portal and stay at resorts that are not Wyndham resorts.

If you want to do B, you have to use RCI.

 

[scootr5]

Use the nightly stays. Just about all of RCI resorts are in that section. Less points are needed with a lesser fee. I have to verify that when I get back from vacation. They said there should be no problem getting whatever you want. At that point he got into a rental tangent about how you can get a great resort with great rental potential.

OK, but you can't rent out a unit you get from RCI through an exchange.

 

[raygo123]

Ray - you are confusing me again…

Do you want to:

a) Use your Wyndham points and stay at Wyndham resorts.

b) Use the RCI portal and stay at resorts that are not Wyndham resorts.

If you want to do B, you have to use RCI.

External, non Wyndham. Using the nightly stays section rather than RCI to make an exchange.

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[raygo123]

OK, but you can't rent out a unit you get from RCI through an exchange.

Now the question is can you rent out a unit by booking through the nightly stays?

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[DeniseM]

External, non Wyndham. Using the nightly stays section rather than RCI to make an exchange.

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Ray - if it's external, it's RCI.

You cannot rent RCI exchanges, and if you get caught, you get in a lot of trouble.

 

[T-Dot-Traveller]

Ray - you are confusing me again…

Do you want to:

a) Use your Wyndham points and stay at Wyndham resorts.

b) Use the RCI portal and stay at resorts that are not Wyndham resorts.

If you want to do B, you have to use RCI.

Confusion can lead to learning .
and
learning can lead to Confusion
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BTW - Denise - did you notice that Ron Parise used no punctuation when he quoted ee cummings. It took me until about my third read of that part of this thread to catch that . Smooth move by Ron ....