OLD/Closed General Discussion Thread: C-19/Hawaii. Will Hawaii re-open Oct. 15th? (+ NEW POLL)

[jabberwocky]

WHY would anyone show up there without a test? Did they not know they needed one? How could they not know? Or perhaps they have family there and they will just go quarantine with them? That's just surprising to me. I did read that there were people that showed up without having had the right test done.

It could be Hawaii residents returning, or people just don't really value their time?

 

[csodjd]

WHY would anyone show up there without a test? Did they not know they needed one? How could they not know? Or perhaps they have family there and they will just go quarantine with them? That's just surprising to me. I did read that there were people that showed up without having had the right test done.

Really... is there ANY set of instructions that 1000 people will get right? I understand some just didn't have results yet, others were not tested at an approved lab, others the wrong test, others just no clue.

 

[csodjd]

Well....we begin our journey to Oahu tomorrow morning. We had our Covid-19 test on Wednesday at noon and were pleasantly surprised to get the results back at basically midnight last night. I uploaded everything into the Safe Travels website this morning and it looks like we're ready to go. I will report back with how things go at the airport in Honolulu.

Which test entity do you use?

 

[JanT]

We used CVS. It was very easy as it was drive thru with each of us doing our own nasal swab as they watched. The swabbing was simple - no need to jam it way up into the nasal cavity which I was anticipating.

Which test entity do you use?

 

[DeniseM]

Final count of passengers arriving in Hawaii Thursday tops 10,000 | Honolulu Star-Advertiser

The final count of arriving passengers on Thursday was 10,102 — an even more robust reopening of Hawaii tourism than preliminary counts showed.

www.staradvertiser.com

Overall - a good start, IMNSHO.

 

[PearlCity]

It could be Hawaii residents returning, or people just don't really value their time?

Or visitors taking advantage of cheap hotels and airfare and thinking of just breaking quarantine anyway. Those are the folks residents are frustrated that the state has no plan for.

But manu hotels are turning folks away without a negative test. Its going to be interesting.

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[slip]

Final count of passengers arriving in Hawaii Thursday tops 10,000 | Honolulu Star-Advertiser

The final count of arriving passengers on Thursday was 10,102 — an even more robust reopening of Hawaii tourism than preliminary counts showed.

www.staradvertiser.com

Overall - a good start, IMNSHO.

These are the numbers I had heard. About 10,000 travelers with about 3,500 being residents and the rest vacationers. So about what they expected numbers wise. 800 had no test.

Now we have to see how this goes moving forward. I still have to decide about our two weeks on Molokai over Thanksgiving. I can book that last minute if needed.

 

[DeniseM]

Some of the residents said they just planned on quarantining at home, so it was no accident that they didn't have a test.

 

[csodjd]

Some of the residents said they just planned on quarantining at home, so it was no accident that they didn't have a test.

Maybe I’m missing something, but why not get a test anyway? Other than cost I guess. But unless you don’t actually plan to follow the quarantine rules, even being at home for two weeks is a major inconvenience.

 

[DeniseM]

I’m guessing cost, hassle, and because they don’t have too. Also, quarantining is not awful for everyone. I’m a homebody and it’s no big deal for me - 2 weeks at home is a piece of cake. In the last 8 mos. I’ve spent two weeks at home many times - just didn’t need to go out. YMMV


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[Sapper]

We used CVS. It was very easy as it was drive thru with each of us doing our own nasal swab as they watched. The swabbing was simple - no need to jam it way up into the nasal cavity which I was anticipating.

So, if someone fails to push the swab up high enough, and it does not collect a sample correctly, and the test comes back negative even if they are positive (known as false negative), how was the test of any benefit?

 

[b2bailey]

Maybe I’m missing something, but why not get a test anyway? Other than cost I guess. But unless you don’t actually plan to follow the quarantine rules, even being at home for two weeks is a major inconvenience.

I'm thinking fear of a false positive.

 

[Tamaradarann]

Doesn't seem that many of the ~100 cases/day are related to the people flying in. But, either way, Hawaii has been pretty stable now for the past month as reflected in the graph, so it should be pretty easy to see if that changes (or how it changes) in the next 20-30 or so days. We'd expect to see it go up, but hopefully plateau below 150.

So my point being that with approximately 100 cases a day as the base line that has been pretty stable that only leaves 50 more cases a day rise. With the way this virus spreads and the possibility that some of the people that are coming that do need to quarantine will be staying with others in the household who they will infect and who won't be quarantining and others that must quarantine but will violate quarantine, how long do you think it will take until the 150 cases/day is exceeded?

 

[csodjd]

So my point being that with approximately 100 cases a day as the base line that has been pretty stable that only leaves 50 more cases a day rise. With the way this virus spreads and the possibility that some of the people that are coming that do need to quarantine will be staying with others in the household who they will infect and who won't be quarantining and others that must quarantine but will violate quarantine, how long do you think it will take until the 150 cases/day is exceeded?

It’ll depend on mask usage and distancing from others. Even if you are infected, if you wear a mask and stay out of small areas you won’t spread it.

 

[jabberwocky]

It’ll depend on mask usage and distancing from others. Even if you are infected, if you wear a mask and stay out of small areas you won’t spread it.

I would just amend this to state that the mask must be worn properly.

The responsible thing to do if you have symptoms is to isolate yourself. Don’t rely on a mask to protect others. Too many people are getting the message that a mask makes you immune and then engaging in risky behaviour or not wearing the mask properly.

 

[JanT]

The new tests do not require the deep probing that previous tests did. You still go well into the nasal cavity, just not the super deep probing. When I said it was easy I simply meant I didn’t have to shove it up into my sinus cavity so deep as to be painful.

So, if someone fails to push the swab up high enough, and it does not collect a sample correctly, and the test comes back negative even if they are positive (known as false negative), how was the test of any benefit?

 

[PigsDad]

So my point being that with approximately 100 cases a day as the base line that has been pretty stable that only leaves 50 more cases a day rise. With the way this virus spreads and the possibility that some of the people that are coming that do need to quarantine will be staying with others in the household who they will infect and who won't be quarantining and others that must quarantine but will violate quarantine, how long do you think it will take until the 150 cases/day is exceeded?

It seems like you are assuming those who are flying in without taking a test are infected. Is there any evidence that even a majority of the infections in Hawaii are from people traveling there? It would be something pretty easy to determine with contact tracing; have any numbers been published somewhere?

Kurt

 

[csodjd]

It seems like you are assuming those who are flying in without taking a test are infected. Is there any evidence that even a majority of the infections in Hawaii are from people traveling there? It would be something pretty easy to determine with contact tracing; have any numbers been published somewhere?

Kurt

Even without that, we know that in the general population there is an infection rate of 3-5% (higher right now in some areas with surges). So only a small fraction coming in untested would be expected to be carrying the virus.

 

[Kapolei]

I was just at the Island Country Market. I saw some walking around. I asked the lady at check out ... are they back? She smiled and exclaimed, yes, they are back! I laughed about how this was a great moment. We need them. But, I have to say, the last months have really been a special time despite all the negative aspects that I don’t want to minimize. The serenity may never appear again.

 

[critterchick]

I was just at the Island Country Market. I saw some walking around. I asked the lady at check out ... are they back? She smiled and exclaimed, yes, they are back! I laughed about how this was a great moment. We need them. But, I have to say, the last months have really been a special time despite all the negative aspects that I don’t want to minimize. The serenity may never appear again.

I know the feeling. When we first shut down in March, we had so little traffic in our LA County neighborhood that we could hear the birds singing all the time. Now that traffic is almost back to normal and a large construction project has started across the street, I miss the silence. Not that I wish the reason for it on anybody.

 

[Kapolei]

I know the feeling. When we first shut down in March, we had so little traffic in our LA County neighborhood that we could hear the birds singing all the time. Now that traffic is almost back to normal and a large construction project has started across the street, I miss the silence. Not that I wish the reason for it on anybody.

cities and suburbia are fantastic at half the occupancy ... 0h well, I enjoyed it while it lasted

 

[Tamaradarann]

It’ll depend on mask usage and distancing from others. Even if you are infected, if you wear a mask and stay out of small areas you won’t spread it.

There are approximately 1000 untested passengers on the planes in 1Day. How many of those will not wear a mask? How many of those that are untested wil violate quarantine? How many of these untested are tourists on vacation and will NOT stay out of small indoor areas?

 

[Tamaradarann]

It seems like you are assuming those who are flying in without taking a test are infected. Is there any evidence that even a majority of the infections in Hawaii are from people traveling there? It would be something pretty easy to determine with contact tracing; have any numbers been published somewhere?

Kurt

There were approximately 1000 that flew in without being tested. Using csodjd 3-5% infection rate that means that there are 30-50 people on the planes on Thursday that could have infected others on the plane or in the airport or on their way to quarantine. How many of those will violate quarantine? How many of those that got infected will infect others and spread the virus around?

 

[DannyTS]

There were approximately 1000 that flew in without being tested. Using csodjd 3-5% infection rate that means that there are 30-50 people on the planes on Thursday that could have infected others on the plane or in the airport or on their way to quarantine. How many of those will violate quarantine? How many of those that got infected will infect others and spread the virus around?

3-5% infection rate? That cannot be true, otherwise 10-15 million people would currently have Covid in the US

 

[amy241]

It seems like you are assuming those who are flying in without taking a test are infected. Is there any evidence that even a majority of the infections in Hawaii are from people traveling there? It would be something pretty easy to determine with contact tracing; have any numbers been published somewhere?

Kurt

Tourism has never been the cause of high infections there, community spread has been the issue brought on by large beach gatherings, multi-family housing, etc. It has been particularly high in the Pacific Islander communities.