OLD/Closed General Discussion Thread: C-19/Hawaii. Will Hawaii re-open Oct. 15th? (+ NEW POLL)

[ljmiii]

Here's the most up-to-date case graph for Hawaii...

Sigh. And as the virus is again brought under control on O'ahu, the Big Island becomes a new hot spot. Still, Hawaii is doing better than most states - only NH, VT, and ME have fewer new cases per capita.

 

[HGVC Lover]

Yes, it has all the hallmarks of a cluster-**** at the airport if going to the Big Island.

Hopefully we will start hearing reports from people on their way to the HGVC's at Waikoloa on Thursday October 15th of how their KOA experience went with the 72 hour prior to travel test and then the second test at KOA. I hope all goes well.

 

[csodjd]

Hopefully we will start hearing reports from people on their way to the HGVC's at Waikoloa on Thursday October 15th of how their KOA experience went with the 72 hour prior to travel test and then the second test at KOA. I hope all goes well.

Given the reported inaccuracy of the antigen tests when used for screening, it's hard to imagine it going all that well.

 

[amycurl]

What happens to all those that have been in contact with that tourist that tests positive; all the passengers and crew?

What they do every place else--get tested themselves, and quarantine until they get the results. This is the whole point of contact tracing. This is how it works to stop spread.

 

[cman]

Given the reported inaccuracy of the antigen tests when used for screening, it's hard to imagine it going all that well.

Here's the test that they're using. Per the manufacturer, they're pretty accurate. However, I read somewhere that there were problems with false positives at some nursing homes last month;

https://www.bdveritor.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2020/08/Simplify_Covid-19_InfoGraphic_560-US-0720_082520.pdf

 

[csodjd]

Here's the test that they're using. Per the manufacturer, they're pretty accurate. However, I read somewhere that there were problems with false positives at some nursing homes last month;

https://www.bdveritor.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2020/08/Simplify_Covid-19_InfoGraphic_560-US-0720_082520.pdf

Read the fine print. The accuracy footnote says, "The intended use of the BD Veritor System for Rapid Detection of SARS-CoV-2 assay only includes those who are suspected of
COVID-19 by their health care provider within the first five days of the onset of symptoms."

That's where antigen tests work best, symptomatic patients when viral load is high. They are far less effective for asymptomatic patients that may be infected but don't have viral load yet, and they can produce a lot of false positives post-infection.

 

[cman]

Read the fine print. The accuracy footnote says, "The intended use of the BD Veritor System for Rapid Detection of SARS-CoV-2 assay only includes those who are suspected of
COVID-19 by their health care provider within the first five days of the onset of symptoms."

That's where antigen tests work best, symptomatic patients when viral load is high. They are far less effective for asymptomatic patients that may be infected but don't have viral load yet, and they can produce a lot of false positives post-infection.

Dude, I'm just giving you the info on the test that they're using. I'm not trying to prove a point.

 

[csodjd]

Dude, I'm just giving you the info on the test that they're using. I'm not trying to prove a point.

It wasn't a personal attack. No need to be so defensive. It was just a comment on the information in the PDF you provided. If one looks closely at it, it looks like amazing test results. Not so much when you read the fine print and then consider how they intend to use it. False positives, in particular, can ruin one's trip to the Big Island in a hurry.

 

[magmue]

This is not an ideal test for screening asymptomatic people - it's the same problem the White House ran into using this kind of test to screen visitors and staff as an alternative to following CDC guidelines.

If you really read the information they give, the test will work well, in a community where about 1 out of 10 folks are infected and you're testing people who are having some symptoms.

Test results will be much less accurate if you are testing "normal" people trying to find the ones who are carrying the virus, are contagious, and don't know it yet.

 

[HGVC Lover]

Yes, it has all the hallmarks of a cluster-**** at the airport if going to the Big Island.

Things are still uncertain for KOA on Thursday.....

https://www.westhawaiitoday.com/202...continues-to-surround-traveler-testing-plans/

 

[csodjd]

Things are still uncertain for KOA on Thursday.....

https://www.westhawaiitoday.com/202...continues-to-surround-traveler-testing-plans/

Gotta love this quote, "“We’re all trying to find a way to address the interisland travel quarantine,” Kim said. “Hopefully next week, we’ll have a plan for that we’ll be able to share.”

 

[DannyTS]

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[BJRSanDiego]

I read in another link that as of late today Hawaii announced that it will be allowing interisland travel between Oahu, Maui County and Kauai linked to a Covid test. It starts on the 15th of October. I'm sure more news will follow.

Here is a link: https://www.khon2.com/local-news/wa...esting-program-set-to-launch-thursday-oct-15/

 

[fernow]

Most people on this forum appear to be afraid of the virus. Realistic? Maybe so. Who knows. Seems more to do with people's politics then any real data but we are all aware of confirmation bias and that " A man convinced against his will is of the same opinion still." All forums have a tendency to migrate towards a single point of view. The way of the internet.

What I wish I could know is how the general population of Hawaii feels. Rich retired people got theirs and would prefer no Hawaii visitors. People getting green government checks have no reason to want outsiders on their beaches. How do the people in the middle feel?

If you ask a girl for a date and she can't go because that's the night she does her hair, you can ask about another night or you can get the message.

Much as I love Hawaii and though it is my OPINION the virus should not stop society from functioning, IF the people of Hawaii don't want visitors then I see no reason to go.

Aloha Spirit is part of the enjoyment. If it's gone... But, maybe the middle class of Hawaii wants travelers back.

I hope we will be seeing trip reports (attempting to reflect how it is instead of furthering the politics) letting us know what the "new normal" is. Geez I hate that phrase.

Wonder if it's too late to sell my timeshare...

 

[chellej]

One of my coworker's family lives on Maui and she says they would rather people don't come....they are afraid of the medical system getting overwhelmed and not being able to get treatment if needed.

 

[echino]

In my opinion, those in Hawaii who depend on tourists to earn a living - they mostly want tourists to come. Others mostly don't want tourists to come. Regardless of covid.

 

[1Kflyerguy]

It disappointing and confusing to have to the process testing after you arrive different for each island.. But i guess the situation is different on each island. I am just hoping everything settles down and process for each island goes smoothly after a few days. Ideally none of the islands will see a big spike tied to tourists.

 

[ljmiii]

What I wish I could know is how the general population of Hawaii feels. Rich retired people got theirs and would prefer no Hawaii visitors. People getting green government checks have no reason to want outsiders on their beaches. How do the people in the middle feel?

The people I know on O'ahu don't really care about tourists - they just want COVID-19 to be contained in Hawaii so they can live their lives and go back to work normally. And on the mainland so they can once again see their friends and family. But that is anecdotal.

As for more concrete numbers I haven't seen a recent poll. One done in the summer during the resurgence of COVID-19 on the mainland, showed Hawaiians turning sharply against tourism in the face of the pandemic. 81% of residents said they do not want tourists from the mainland. And a staggering 88% wanted the COVID-19 restrictions such as the 14-day quarantine for out-of-state passengers to remain in place for the foreseeable future.

My personal opinion is that this attitude varies significantly by island. O'ahu can make do without tourism - the economy is sufficiently diverse to allow O'ahuians to get by. Not thrive...but get by. On the Big Island, Kona side is hurting but Hilo - the county seat - has four times the population of Kailua-Kona and doesn't see a lot of tourists anyway. Maui is in a world of hurt because Big Ag has left the island and the island is very dependent on tourism. Kauai is somewhere in between. In short, most of the people of Hawaii would rather do without tourism than risk letting Auntie die.

It will be interesting to see what happens.

 

[PearlCity]

Oahu Resident here- the main concern is #of ICU beds according to the article below Kauai has 9, Maui 29 and Hawaii Island 24. So. I can see the concern. We do have more beds here on Oahu, but medical staff is a concern- during our recent spike, we were starting to fly in medical personnel due to increase jn cases and ambulances were not being accepted at all hospitals

Are Hawaii Hospitals Prepared For A Pandemic?

The state health director says Hawaii's hospitals are already near capacity, with expansion difficult.

www.civilbeat.org

Most of the state is split- no one wants grandma or aunty to die because of reopening at the same time the state put all their eggs in one basket for the economy to operate ans people need to get back to work.





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[dannybaker]

Well we rebooked our 3 November weeks to May. We have three weeks reserved for the KoOlina.

 

[csodjd]

Oahu Resident here- the main concern is #of ICU beds according to the article below Kauai has 9, Maui 29 and Hawaii Island 24. So. I can see the concern. We do have more beds here on Oahu, but medical staff is a concern- during our recent spike, we were starting to fly in medical personnel due to increase jn cases and ambulances were not being accepted at all hospitals

Are Hawaii Hospitals Prepared For A Pandemic?

The state health director says Hawaii's hospitals are already near capacity, with expansion difficult.

www.civilbeat.org

Most of the state is split- no one wants grandma or aunty to die because of reopening at the same time the state put all their eggs in one basket for the economy to operate ans people need to get back to work.





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Using Hawaii Island as an example, that 24 means roughly 500-1000 new cases. If they are picking up some 20 or so cases a day, do the math. It is more fear than reality.

 

[PearlCity]

Using Hawaii Island as an example, that 24 means roughly 500-1000 new cases. If they are picking up some 20 or so cases a day, do the math. It is more fear than reality.

While it may be fear thats the general feeling of the people here. Under nornal circumstances most big island, kauai and Maui residents fly to Oahu for major medical procedures and more complex care. I have a relative that lives full time there but they kept their studio on Oahu because one of them needs to come to Oahu regularly for medical care. The people who live on the "outer islands" just dont feel comfortable. Unrealistic fear or not thats the general feeling among many residents.



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[fernow]

Maybe someone going to the islands soon (anyone?) should start a Trip Reports Post Covid thread.

Personal experiences would be nice to hear. We have an early Dec trip planned and in a week or two I plan to call a few places we frequent in Hawaii and try to get a “feel”, then make the go/no go decision.

Makes me sad to feel unwanted in a place we love and have traveled to frequently. But there are other nice places too.

Seriously makes me wonder about the value and viability of my Hawaii Timeshares though. This whole thing is turning out to be more about people and attitudes towards risk vs freedom then the virus. And there is no vaccine for that.

 

[csodjd]

I was just reading that they are expecting 7,000 today. Not exactly a soft opening!

 

[NTP66]

One of our MOC weeks matched last night (II), for late June 2021, but I returned it because of all of the uncertainty around... everything.