Number of Units at each HGVC Resort - updated

[alwysonvac]

Number of Units at each HGVC Resort

2022 SOURCE: HGVClub Disclosure Statement 2022 (updates in Orange Font)

2019 Source: HGVC Form 10-K filed on February 28, 2019 (pages 41 - 42)

As of December 30, 2018, our resorts included the following locations and units:

Property Name / Ownership(1) / Location / Units

Hilton Grand Vacations (U.S.)​

SeaWorld Orlando, a Hilton Grand Vacations Club Developed Orlando, FL 516​

Tuscany Village, a Hilton Grand Vacations Club Developed Orlando, FL 440​

Parc Soleil, a Hilton Grand Vacations Club Developed Orlando, FL 312​

Las Palmeras, a Hilton Grand Vacations Club Fee-for-service (2) Orlando, FL 225​

McAlplin Ocean Plaza, a Hilton Grand Vacations Club Developed Miami Beach, FL 52​

Flamingo, a Hilton Grand Vacations Club Developed Las Vegas, NV 200​

Paradise, a Hilton Grand Vacations Club Developed Las Vegas, NV 232​

The Boulevard, a Hilton Grand Vacations Club Developed Las Vegas, NV 714​

Trump International Hotel Las Vegas, a Hilton Grand Vacations Club(3) Developed Las Vegas, NV 205 312​

Elara, a Hilton Grand Vacations Club Fee-for-service Las Vegas, NV 1,201 975​

The Grand Islander, a Hilton Grand Vacations Club Fee-for-service Honolulu, HI 418​

Lagoon Tower, a Hilton Grand Vacations Club Developed Honolulu, HI 236​

Kalia Suites, a Hilton Grand Vacations Club Developed Honolulu, HI 72​

Grand Waikikian, a Hilton Grand Vacations Club Developed Honolulu, HI 331​

Hokulani Waikiki, a Hilton Grand Vacations Club(3) Developed Honolulu, HI 143​

Kohala Suites, a Hilton Grand Vacations Club Developed Waikoloa, HI 120​

Kings’ Land, a Hilton Grand Vacations Club Developed Waikoloa, HI 435​

Ocean Tower, a Hilton Grand Vacations Club Developed Waikoloa, HI 72​

The Bay Club at Waikoloa Beach Resort Collection Waikoloa, HI 168​

The Hilton Club—New York Developed New York, NY 127​

West 57th Street, a Hilton Club Developed New York, NY 166​

The Residences by Hilton Club Developed New York, NY 47​

The Quin, a Hilton Club Developed New York, NY 207​

The District, a Hilton Club Developed Washington, DC 108​

Anderson Ocean Club, a Hilton Grand Vacations Club Fee-for-service Myrtle Beach, SC 172​

Ocean 22, a Hilton Grand Vacations Club Fee-for-service Myrtle Beach, SC 220​

Ocean Enclave, a Hilton Grand Vacations Club(4) Fee-for-service Myrtle Beach, SC 330 112​

Ocean Oak Resort, a Hilton Grand Vacations Club(4) Fee-for-service Hilton Head, SC 125​

Sunrise Lodge, a Hilton Grand Vacations Club Fee-for-service Park City, UT 83​

Valdoro Mountain Lodge Collection Breckenridge, CO 70​

MarBrisa, a Hilton Grand Vacations Club (Phase 1 & 2) (3)(4) Fee-for-service Carlsbad, CA 232​

The Cottages at South Seas Island Resort Collection Captiva, FL 14​

Harbourview Villas at South Seas Island Resort Collection Captiva, FL 10​

Plantation Bay Villas at South Seas Island Resort Collection Captiva, FL 4​

Plantation Beach Club (I, II and III) at South Seas Island Resort Collection Captiva, FL 56​

Plantation House at South Seas Island Resort Collection Captiva, FL 12​

South Seas Club at South Seas Island Resort Collection Captiva, FL 24​

Casa Ybel Resort Collection Sanibel, FL 74​

Hurricane House Resort Collection Sanibel, FL 15​

Sanibel Cottages Resort Collection Sanibel, FL 28​

Tortuga Beach Club Resort Collection Sanibel, FL 54​

Seawatch On-the-Beach Resort Collection Ft. Myers Beach, FL 42​

The Charter Club of Marco Beach Collection Marco Island, FL 80​

Eagle’s Nest Beach Resort Collection Marco Island, FL 96​

Club Regency of Marco Island Collection Marco Island, FL 32​

The Surf Club of Marco Collection Marco Island, FL 44​

Plantation Beach Club at Indian River Plantation Resort Collection Hutchinson Island, FL 30​

The Central at 5th a Hilton Club, New York, NY 50​

Chicago Magnificent Mile, a Hilton Grand Vacations Club, Chicago, IL 13​

Liberty Place Charleston, a Hilton Club, Charleston, SC 27​

Elara HC Vacation Suites, Las Vegas, NV 90 (Currently under construction, opening January 2024)​

Maui Bay Villas, a Hilton Grand Vacations Club, Kihei, Hawaii 31 (Under construction; 31 Suites will be available January 2022, 24 Suites available November 2022, and 60 Suites July 2023.)​

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Hilton International Grand Vacations (non-U.S.)​

Hilton Grand Vacations Club at Coylumbridge Developed Scotland 61​

Craigendarroch Suites,a Hilton Grand Vacations Club Developed Scotland 32​

Hilton Grand Vacations Club at Craigendarroch Lodges Developed Scotland 99​

HGVClub at Dunkeld Developed Scotland 22​

Borgo alle Vigne, a Hilton Grand Vacations Club Fee-for-service Italy 31​

The Bay Forest Odawara by Hilton Club Developed Japan 10​

The Crane, a Hilton Grand Vacations Club(4) Developed Barbados 38​

La Pacifica Los Cabos, a Hilton Club, Mexico 74​

The Beach Resort Sesoko by Hilton Club, Japan 30​

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From the HGVClub Disclosure Statement 2022​

• Shell Island Beach Club, Sanibel, FL 43
• Sunset Cove, Marco Island, FL 36
• Hilton Vilamoura Vacation Club, Quarteira, Portugal 69
• Carlsbad Seapointe Resort, Carlsbad, CA 95
• Grand Pacific Palisades Resort, Carlsbad, CA 163
• The Explorean Kohunlich, Chetumal, Mexico 40
• Fiesta Americana Villas Los Cabos, Cabo San Lucas, Mexico 67
• Fiesta Americana Villas Cancun, Cancun, Mexico 110
• Fiesta Americana Villas Acapulco, Acapulco, Mexico 80

(1) Fee-for-service and collection properties are properties that were funded and constructed by a third-party developer. Collection properties are properties that were contributed by a third party during Hilton’s joint venture with Grand Vacations. A developed property is a property that was funded and constructed by Hilton Grand Vacations or acquired through a just-in-time arrangement. Hilton Grand Vacations also manages the operation of the developed properties.
(2) As of December 31, 2018, we acquired 20 units as part of a just-in-time arrangement.
(3) Property sub-managed by a third party.
(4) During the year ended December 31, 2018, we pre-sold certain units to be occupied beginning in 2019..

 

[alwysonvac]

@GT75 please add this update to the resort sticky (replacing post #69)

 

[alwysonvac]

@GT75 also here’s the latest resort map for post #6 for the resort sticky

https://www.hiltongrandvacations.com/-/media/project/hgv/presence/development/our-destinations/extcomm-info-399455-about-us-map-hr.pdf

 

[pedro47]

Wow! Hilton owns thousands of units all over of the world; and this does not include their acquisition of Diamond Resorts properties in 2021.

 

[pedro47]

@GT75 also here’s the latest resort map for post #6 for the resort sticky

https://www.hiltongrandvacations.com/-/media/project/hgv/presence/development/our-destinations/extcomm-info-399455-about-us-map-hr.pdf

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Looking at this resort map, with the acquisition of the Diamond Resorts. Hilton will own resorts on every continent and just about all 50 states in the United States.

 

[dayooper]

Ocean Enclave, a Hilton Grand Vacations Club(4) Fee-for-service Myrtle Beach, SC 330 112

This one confuses me. There are ~24 floors with 14 units per floor. How can this equal 112? Where are these 218 rooms get allocated to? Is this just a typo on HGVC's part?

Chicago Magnificent Mile, a Hilton Grand Vacations Club, Chicago, IL 13

Chicago might be off as well. When we stayed there, we were on the 25th floor of the Doubletree Hotel off of Ohio and there were HGVC rooms in the top floor (26). There were 13 units on our floor.

 

[SmithOp]

This one confuses me. There are ~24 floors with 14 units per floor. How can this equal 112? Where are these 218 rooms get allocated to? Is this just a typo on HGVC's part?




Chicago might be off as well. When we stayed there, we were on the 25th floor of the Doubletree Hotel off of Ohio and there were HGVC rooms in the top floor (26). There were 13 units on our floor.

If its a fee for service location maybe the developer took back some units, HGV controls less?


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[PigsDad]

The number of units for Liberty Place seems really low as well. Not sure if that is accurate.

Kurt

 

[CanuckTravlr]

This one confuses me. There are ~24 floors with 14 units per floor. How can this equal 112? Where are these 218 rooms get allocated to? Is this just a typo on HGVC's part?

Yes, I wondered about Ocean Enclave as well. I wondered if it was being opened in phases or something, yet the update actually cut the number of units. Ocean 22, Ocean Enclave, Ocean Oak, and Liberty Place were all developed by the same local South Carolina group, so maybe you're right, perhaps the developer took some of them back to rent or sell if sales were slow due to Covid? I would think that would have an impact on the declaration received by those who had already bought at Ocean Enclave, so maybe it is just temporary, or only represents units sold so far.

I also note the map that @alwysonvac posted does not seem to make any reference to HGVC Vilamoura in Portugal that I can see.

 

[CanuckTravlr]

Wow! Hilton owns thousands of units all over of the world; and this does not include their acquisition of Diamond Resorts properties in 2021.

Nah. HGV Inc. only has ten locations outside the USA (4 in Scotland, 2 in Japan, and one each in Italy, Portugal, Mexico, and Barbados). The acquisition of DRI will significantly increase its international presence, including once again, Canada! Yay!

 

[Sandy VDH]

Could the reduction in numbers indicate the amount that are actually sold and in the Pool of inventory. Unsold inventory is actually in HGVC control and is NOT available as inventory, and they can rent it or do other things with it until it is sold. Maybe those location numbers were adjusted, as that is the total number of units available not the total number sold.

 

[Nowaker]

reduction in numbers

This one may be a conversion - e.g. joining two adjacent units to make a larger & more expensive unit.

Elara, a Hilton Grand Vacations Club Fee-for-service Las Vegas, NV 1,201 975
Elara HC Vacation Suites, Las Vegas, NV 90 (Currently under construction, opening January 2024)

 

[1Kflyerguy]

This one may be a conversion - e.g. joining two adjacent units to make a larger & more expensive unit.

Elara, a Hilton Grand Vacations Club Fee-for-service Las Vegas, NV 1,201 975
Elara HC Vacation Suites, Las Vegas, NV 90 (Currently under construction, opening January 2024)

Its my understanding that Elara Hilton Club units are being built on floors within the building that were previously undeveloped.

In order to redevelop T/S units that had previously be sold and covert them into something else, they would have to re-acquire all of the deeds for each interval sold. That would be expensive and probably more difficult than its worth.

 

[alwysonvac]

I also note the map that @alwysonvac posted does not seem to make any reference to HGVC Vilamoura in Portugal that I can see.

It’s an affiliate. The older map used to include the HGVC affiliates (see thread for the older map).

Vilamoura? Did I miss something?

Is there a reason why Vilamoura in Portugal isn’t listed on international section of HGVC resorts in the sticky? I went and checked the source documents and it’s not listed there either. Did I miss an announcement or am I just that obtuse that I’m not seeing it listed?

tugbbs.com

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From https://www.hiltongrandvacations.co...tugal/vilamoura-a-hilton-grand-vacations-club

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[alwysonvac]

Chicago might be off as well. When we stayed there, we were on the 25th floor of the Doubletree Hotel off of Ohio and there were HGVC rooms in the top floor (26). There were 13 units on our floor.

Perhaps
HGVC is receiving Chicago inventory in phases. Sales was targeted to begin in the 2nd QTR of 2019 however we know Covid-19 impacted sales.

From the original press release https://www.hiltongrandvacations.co...acations-announces-its-first-chicago-property

“….The current property owner will renovate and convert 122 of the existing 500 hotel rooms into 78 studio and one-bedroom timeshare units, all according to HGV’s brand standards. HGV will acquire the inventory in phases, anticipated to begin in the second quarter of 2019. The renovations are scheduled to begin in the fourth quarter of 2018, and sales are planned to start in our on-site sales center in the second quarter of 2019…”​

In December 2019, folks reported a few units were available.

HGVC Chicago

Does anyone have any reviews or comments on the new Chicago location

tugbbs.com

 

[alwysonvac]

This one confuses me. There are ~24 floors with 14 units per floor. How can this equal 112? Where are these 218 rooms get allocated to? Is this just a typo on HGVC's part?

The number of units for Liberty Place seems really low as well. Not sure if that is accurate.
Kurt

The Enclave resort is 330 unit resort and Liberty is a 100 unit resort

Hilton Grand Vacations Announces Opening of Third Myrtle Bea | Hilton Grand Vacations

HGV celebrates today the grand opening of its third Myrtle Beach property, Ocean Enclave by Hilton Grand Vacations Club. The property is also the third Myrtle Beach-based HGV resort developed by Strand Capital Group.

www.hiltongrandvacations.com

HGV Opens Liberty Place Charleston by Hilton Club | Hilton Grand Vacations

Hilton Grand Vacations Opens Luxury Timeshare Resort in Historic Downtown Charleston.

www.hiltongrandvacations.com

So why does HGVC disclosure document show a different number? I have no idea.
As others have suggested, does it represent the number of rooms the Club currently has access to?

We know when the “Fee for service“ property in Hilton Head (Ocean Oak Resort) fully opened both phases, there were questions about inventory.

Any updates on Ocean Oak

I know several people have noted the total lack of availability at Ocean Oak (Hilton Head) through the end of 2020. Did anyone ever get an answer from HGV why this is the case? (I've tried to read through the threads... I apologize if this has been answered elsewhere.)

tugbbs.com

And how does the “Fee for Service” arrangements work with the South Carolina properties?
Does it have to include the full property? If not, does the property owner get to keep a specific percentage for hotel rentals and are those percentages consistent across all seasons for the initial sales and maintained with ongoing resales?

 

[CanuckTravlr]

And how does the “Fee for Service” arrangements work with the South Carolina properties?
Does it have to include the full property? If not, does the property owner get to keep a specific percentage for hotel rentals and are those percentages consistent across all seasons for the initial sales and maintained with ongoing resales?

We own at Ocean 22. This location has been fully sold for some time now. The 220 units represent the full number of units. 11 units on 20 floors. The units start on the 4th floor, the top floor is 24, and there is no 13th floor.

 

[dayooper]

So why does HGVC disclosure document show a different number? I have no idea.
As others have suggested, does it represent the number of rooms the Club currently has access to?


And how does the “Fee for Service” arrangements work with the South Carolina properties?
Does it have to include the full property? If not, does the property owner get to keep a specific percentage for hotel rentals and are those percentages consistent across all seasons for the initial sales and maintained with ongoing resales?

I have been marinating for awhile over this. I'm still not sure what to think, but there are some weird things going on with the South Carolina resorts. I had an issue with shuffling some points last year and it took a call to costumer service to get the 2 days back. That wasn't the first time I have heard of issues like that. Ocean 22 opened before I bought my first deed in 2018 so I really don't know what the bookings were like then. I think it's possible that Strand Capitol is holding back some units to rent, but 218 is quite a lot.

Again, wild speculation but the elephant in the room is that this is related to the new membership. Chicago, HC Elara and Enclave are some of the newer resorts that probably aren't sold out yet. Would/could they be transferred to a new membership? Obviously we don't know what it will entail, but this new membership could be anything from a simple you can book across platforms program to a new system that you have to have your deeds enrolled into. If it's the later, they would need to have some weeks already built into the system for those first few. Again, just thinking out loud.

Another thought is what if they were planning on taking weeks out of DRI at certain resorts. They would have to replace them with other weeks, correct? What if these rooms at Enclave and Chicago were the replacements? They aren't sold yet so they could be put into the DRI Trust and pull the units from other resorts and sell them as deeds. We know that Hawaii sells fast and for a lot of money. HGVC owners have been wanting Maui for a very long time and any deed they can sell will be for a huge profit, another Maui property would be a boon. Add another Island in Kauai and now we have a great opportunity to sell. While Enclave is a really nice property, they already have a great resort in MB.

Point a Poipu has 219 rooms while Kaanapali Beach club has 413. Some of these are deeded weeks that aren't part of the trust. Again, these are just my thoughts on trying to figure out the discrepancies in the room designations.

 

[alwysonvac]

I have been marinating for awhile over this.…

Just contact HGVC and ask them why the unit count in their 2022 Disclosure document differs from the total numbers of units stated in their press release.

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