New Point Requirements to Trade Hyatt in II?

[Mongoose]

Here's what I found in the II Buyer's Guide as a Welk Owner. There's nothing identifying a Platinum table breakout, and none of this makes immediate sense to me.
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Collection Points Weekly Values

TDI

Range Studio 1-Bedroom 2-Bedroom 3-Bedroom 4/5-Bedroom

135 – 150 5,200 – 5,720 9,000 – 9,900 14,500 – 15,950 20,000 – 22,000 25,000 – 27,500

115 – 130 4,400 – 4,840 7,000 – 7,700 11,500 – 12,650 17,000 – 18,700 21,000 – 23,100

90 – 110 3,600 – 3,960 5,400 – 5,940 9,000 – 9,900 14,000 – 15,400 17,000 – 18,700

65 – 85 2,800 – 3,080 4,200 – 4,620 7,000 – 7,700 10,500 – 11,550 12,500 – 13,750

50 – 60 2,000 – 2,200 3,000 – 3,300 4,000 – 4,400 6,000 – 6,600 8,000 – 8,800

Those look more like Marriott points. With Welk a basic 2BR runs 240,000 points.

 

[fleecer]

Those look more like Marriott points. With Welk a basic 2BR runs 240,000 points.

Exactly. But this is what shows up for me as a Welk (now Hyatt) owner at II.

 

[GTLINZ]

So are you. Consider the MVC preference period to be the MVC internal weeks exchange platform, because that is what it is. They just happen to use II for that and don't have their own one, like other TS systems do. Imagine that they built their own like Hyatt have and that is why some inventory never gets to II for general release, same as it does for the internal exchange systems for other brands, and for the MVC Florida club, which was the trial MVC did for a weeks internal exchange platform.

I agree with you that having an internal points system has significant advantages over pure weeks. Our preference period is 6 months, which is a far greater preference than Marriott in Interval and we can also do partial weeks and stretch out our points.

I was commenting on the advantage in Interval only, as i understood that to be the topic of this thread. Yes, we used to be able to pull 5 peak studios, or a peak 1br and 2br, but could never have pulled 2 brs (i agree upgrades are work).

HRC owners did have a good setup before with interval - now we don't. Marriott lockoffs can still pull 2 great weeks and often get larger units than were traded in. Do i remember that you also pay less but have to pay a lockoff fee? We have to pay the full price (unless trading into Welk properties, we get a discount).

 

[Hindsite]

Marriott lockoffs can still pull 2 great weeks and often get larger units than were traded in.

All brands and resorts that trade weeks in II and have lock-offs can pull great weeks and get larger units, its not just an MVC thing, many have much lower maint fees than MVC (or Hyatt) and they still get peak weeks at peak resorts and unit size upgrades, often trading back into MVCs . I've only heard one person say that their points system in II can pay a unit size upgrade fee, the rest seem to work just the same as Hyatt.

Do i remember that you also pay less but have to pay a lockoff fee? We have to pay the full price (unless trading into Welk properties, we get a discount).

It depends on the ownership, whether you pay the lock-off fee or not. There is a discount on the standard II exchange fee for exchanges into other MVC, Sheraton and Westin resorts, but the full fee to other brands.

 

[Mongoose]

Exactly. But this is what shows up for me as a Welk (now Hyatt) owner at II.

Book all you can at this discounts.

 

[Mongoose]

I found this on a Facebook page. It looks like the Platinum Program was also hit, but with mixed impacts. Studio point requirements are up more than 50%, 1 BR a crazy 65% and 2 BR only 17%. Those are for the Premier and Elite resorts. The Select are basically unchanged. Studio unchanged, 1 BR unchanged, 2 BR up 4%.

 

[dioxide45]

I found this on a Facebook page. It looks like the Platinum Program was also hit, but with mixed impacts. Studio point requirements are up more than 50%, 1 BR a crazy 65% and 2 BR only 17%. Those are for the Premier and Elite resorts. The Select are basically unchanged. Studio unchanged, 1 BR unchanged, 2 BR up 4%.

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Do we know what the old numbers were?

 

[Mongoose]

Do we know what the old numbers were?

For II, a Studio 90,000, 1 BR 120,000 and 2 BR 240,000. What’s weird, in their Welk system, a 2 BR can range from 240,000 to 480,000 for Red Season. They have Holiday season that goes all the way to 600,000.

 

[dioxide45]

For II, a Studio 90,000, 1 BR 120,000 and 2 BR 240,000. What’s weird, in their Welk system, a 2 BR can range from 240,000 to 480,000 for Red Season. They have Holiday season that goes all the way to 600,000.

So previously in II they didn't also go by TDI?

 

[Mongoose]

So previously in II they didn't also go by TDI?

Worldmark still doesn’t. Not sure about anyone else.

 

[Mongoose]

I did a little analysis on the cost in maintenance fee cost for a 2 BR unit to exchange in RCI and II. The numbers are based on 2024 maintenance fees for the units I own. If you own a great value HGVC Elara or similar exchanging in RCI is really attractive (~$650). Worldmark is still excellent and you don't have to worry about TPU or TDI. Hyatt is still attractive for Select exchanges and TDI of 130 and below, about even for Premier with TDI of 135+.

Brand	RCI	II	Notes
HGVC Bay Club - 7680 Points	$ 1,152	N/A	Red Season
Worldmark - 10,000 Credits	$ 1,114	$ 1,114	Red Season
Worldmark - 4,000 Credits	$ 445	$ 445	Red Season - Instant Exchange / II Flexchange
Hyatt Pinion Point - 1950 Points	N/A	$ 1,452	Premier TDI 135-150
Hyatt Pinion Point - 1450 Points	N/A	$ 1,079	Select TDI 135-150

(Very annoying that a gold week Hyatt is 1880 and II requires 1950 for Premier and a Silver week Hyatt is 1400 and II requires 1450 for select.)

 

[Sapper]

I did a little analysis on the cost in maintenance fee cost for a 2 BR unit to exchange in RCI and II. The numbers are based on 2024 maintenance fees for the units I own. If you own a great value HGVC Elara or similar exchanging in RCI is really attractive (~$650). Worldmark is still excellent and you don't have to worry about TPU or TDI. Hyatt is still attractive for Select exchanges and TDI of 130 and below, about even for Premier with TDI of 135+.

Brand	RCI	II	Notes
HGVC Bay Club - 7680 Points	$ 1,152	N/A	Red Season
Worldmark - 10,000 Credits	$ 1,114	$ 1,114	Red Season
Worldmark - 4,000 Credits	$ 445	$ 445	Red Season - Instant Exchange / II Flexchange
Hyatt Pinion Point - 1950 Points	N/A	$ 1,452	Premier TDI 135-150
Hyatt Pinion Point - 1450 Points	N/A	$ 1,079	Select TDI 135-150

(Very annoying that a gold week Hyatt is 1880 and II requires 1950 for Premier and a Silver week Hyatt is 1400 and II requires 1450 for select.)

You used the least expensive maintenance fee property in the Hyatt system for the comparison. Just for a little clarity:
Hacienda Del Mar: $2660
Beach House: $2323
Highlands Inn: $2590

 

[Mongoose]

You used the least expensive maintenance fee property in the Hyatt system for the comparison. Just for a little clarity:
Hacienda Del Mar: $2660
Beach House: $2323
Highlands Inn: $2590

I said I used mine. Are those for gold, platinum or Diamond 2BRs?

 

[Sapper]

I said I used mine. Are those for gold, platinum or Diamond 2BRs?

Right, it was to give someone who is not aware of what Hyatt owners pay better clarity. A Non-Hyatt owner might come away thinking that owners are paying $1500. The ones I listed are not even the highest cost, like Hawaii (apx $4k) or Beaver Creek ($6k, but it has more points). The price for season does not fluctuate, gold, platinum, etc… are all the same cost. I understand the point value is different, but 1880, 2000, or 2200 points… not sure the difference is going to mean too much with the II point inflation. Mine are platinum in case you were wondering.

 

[DayTraveler]

In regards to this discussion may I please ask one of you amazing folks if this post below is related to some of these changes:

So I am trying to book via the Interval exchange for 2 weeks in Oaxaca. This is a total scam! Exchanging 120,000 points via Interval for Hacienda La Noria I have to pay $831.92 but if I book directly with the hotel it would be $1192.00. So my 120,000 points are only worth $361.00!

 

[Mongoose]

Um, as I said I used mine. Why would I use someone else’s?

In regards to this discussion may I please ask one of you amazing folks if this post below is related to some of these changes:

So I am trying to book via the Interval exchange for 2 weeks in Oaxaca. This is a total scam! Exchanging 120,000 points via Interval for Hacienda La Noria I have to pay $831.92 but if I book directly with the hotel it would be $1192.00. So my 120,000 points are only worth $361.00!

With Welk, 120,000 is not a lot of points. Typically in Red/Prime season a 2 BR goes for 240,000 to 450,000 in Welk ant 250,00 to 280,000 in II. Usually if you don't have enough points to book outright you are better off looking at a cash purchase using Getaway's. I typically check my exchanges against the cash option and save my points for when the cash option is not available. For Welk, the biggest impact on the II devaluation is for Premier/Elite Studios and 1 BR about 40%. No substantive changes to the Select/Affiliate locations regardless of size and only about 15% for the 2 BR Premier/Elite. On the Hyatt Heritage and Portfolio programs, we were hit much harder, 50% for 2 BR Premier.

See post 206 for the II points charts.

 

[Mongoose]

So previously in II they didn't also go by TDI?

Correct. It might only be WM that remains TDI free.

 

[ScoopKona]

In regards to this discussion may I please ask one of you amazing folks if this post below is related to some of these changes:

So I am trying to book via the Interval exchange for 2 weeks in Oaxaca. This is a total scam! Exchanging 120,000 points via Interval for Hacienda La Noria I have to pay $831.92 but if I book directly with the hotel it would be $1192.00. So my 120,000 points are only worth $361.00!

Mexico -- regardless of the timeshare system -- isn't the best bang for the buck. If you went to Napa/Carmel/Cape Cod/Martha's Vineyard/etc., your points would be worth considerably more because the cost of renting is considerably more.

And as much as I'd love points-vs-rental-cost to factor into their calculus, it doesn't and never has. The strategy (for decades now) has been to exchange to the expensive places and simply rent the inexpensive places. I trade to Europe and wine country where my points are worth a ton. (It's not hyperbole that timesharing has saved me six figures compared to renting hotel rooms. I use my timeshare only in HCOL areas.)

I'd use a timeshare to trade into Japan, but not Thailand or Vietnam.
I'd use a timeshare to trade into a mid-cost studio, but never a mid-cost 2-bedroom.
And I specifically look for expensive places to trade.

Working backwards from "what's the best I can obtain" works not just with timeshares, but pretty-much everything else in life.

 

[mjm1]

My nephew has a baseball tournament in Branson over Memorial Day Weekend. I can do an exchange or getaway for
-Hyatt / Welk Timber Lodge
-Marriott Willow Ridge
-Palace View Heights (considering mainly because it's a 2 BR in case the family comes over for a visit, and it's TUG reviews are better than Marriott?)

All have 4.5* averages on TripAdvisor, and in the top 4 on TUG

My instinct is to do Marriott because I can check in one day earlier and I will get a week of Marriott stays to maintain status. Is there a significant quality or amenities difference for Timber Lodge or Palace View? The Timber Lodge Reviews are several years old and Palace View only has two recent reviews.

In regards to this discussion may I please ask one of you amazing folks if this post below is related to some of these changes:

So I am trying to book via the Interval exchange for 2 weeks in Oaxaca. This is a total scam! Exchanging 120,000 points via Interval for Hacienda La Noria I have to pay $831.92 but if I book directly with the hotel it would be $1192.00. So my 120,000 points are only worth $361.00!

There are some resorts in Mexico that charge fees in addition to the exchange fee that II charges. I agree that it is ridiculous and we choose not to trade into them. But if one wants to stay at those particular resorts the fees are required.

 

[DayTraveler]

With Welk, 120,000 is not a lot of points. Typically in Red/Prime season a 2 BR goes for 240,000 to 450,000 in Welk ant 250,00 to 280,000 in II. Usually if you don't have enough points to book outright you are better off looking at a cash purchase using Getaway's. I typically check my exchanges against the cash option and save my points for when the cash option is not available. For Welk, the biggest impact on the II devaluation is for Premier/Elite Studios and 1 BR about 40%. No substantive changes to the Select/Affiliate locations regardless of size and only about 15% for the 2 BR Premier/Elite. On the Hyatt Heritage and Portfolio programs, we were hit much harder, 50% for 2 BR Premier.

See post 206 for the II points charts.

Thank you very much for this information.

 

[DayTraveler]

There are some resorts in Mexico that charge fees in addition to the exchange fee that II charges. I agree that it is ridiculous and we choose not to trade into them. But if one wants to stay at those particular resorts the fees are required.

Thank you very much for sharing.

 

[ondeadlin]

These changes are a reminder that all points-based systems can and probably will change. As a business traveler, I've seen both Marriott and Starwood change over time, and then Marriott acquire Starwood - and few of the associated changes have been to my liking.

Trading within II has been a major reason for my Hyatt ownership, and these changes are a significant devaluation. I'm not mad about it. As the line goes in The Godfather, "It’s not personal Sonny. It’s strictly business." But it will certainly cause me to re-evaluate my Hyatt ownership.

 

[skimeup]

Just back from four days at Highland Inn in Carmel. They wanted me to do a sales presentation and offered $150 at 9:00am. I said I would not be out of bed by then. They offered $250 so I went (thinking I'd get a nice dinner out of it at the restaurant. Guess what - restaurant closed Monday Tuesday - we were gone by Wednesday. Oh well - it was $250).

Anyhow, the gal made a big deal of saying that I could take my Pinon Point and Highland Inn properties and add 6000 points for a great deal of (I think) $14, 000) and then I could spend all those points on cruises and activities and those would be free. Like I wouldn't have to pay maintenance fees? She indicated they are no longer selling weeks at all. She pointed to Marriott Bonvoy and all the other Marriott properties I could access with my Hyatt membership. I asked if Marriott was planning to integrate all the point systems of Westin, Sheraton, Welk, etc into one system so I could access that without going through II. Oh no, she said - they all had different point systems and could not be integrated. It was like having five foreign money systems. I refrained from pointing out that there is a simple exchange system whereby I could convert $ into Euros or yen, etc.

I then told her I was most likely going to get rid of my ownerships because I used them primarily for trading and they have been devalued almost 50% by the increase in points requirements in II. I actually only bought the ownerships to use in II, though I've loved going to Vail and Aspen with them for the summer music festivals. She told me it wasn't true that II changed its point system and eventually she got a manager who informed me that the change in points applied only to "elite properties". I've looked at some potential exchanges and their definition of elite is pretty stretched!

I did get out within an hour and a half with my $250 in Visa cards, which was just in time to get my friend down for brunch!

 

[TravelJoy]

Just back from four days at Highland Inn in Carmel. They wanted me to do a sales presentation and offered $150 at 9:00am. I said I would not be out of bed by then. They offered $250 so I went (thinking I'd get a nice dinner out of it at the restaurant. Guess what - restaurant closed Monday Tuesday - we were gone by Wednesday. Oh well - it was $250).

Anyhow, the gal made a big deal of saying that I could take my Pinon Point and Highland Inn properties and add 6000 points for a great deal of (I think) $14, 000) and then I could spend all those points on cruises and activities and those would be free. Like I wouldn't have to pay maintenance fees? She indicated they are no longer selling weeks at all. She pointed to Marriott Bonvoy and all the other Marriott properties I could access with my Hyatt membership. I asked if Marriott was planning to integrate all the point systems of Westin, Sheraton, Welk, etc into one system so I could access that without going through II. Oh no, she said - they all had different point systems and could not be integrated. It was like having five foreign money systems. I refrained from pointing out that there is a simple exchange system whereby I could convert $ into Euros or yen, etc.

I then told her I was most likely going to get rid of my ownerships because I used them primarily for trading and they have been devalued almost 50% by the increase in points requirements in II. I actually only bought the ownerships to use in II, though I've loved going to Vail and Aspen with them for the summer music festivals. She told me it wasn't true that II changed its point system and eventually she got a manager who informed me that the change in points applied only to "elite properties". I've looked at some potential exchanges and their definition of elite is pretty stretched!

I did get out within an hour and a half with my $250 in Visa cards, which was just in time to get my friend down for brunch!

The sales presentations are usually worth the time not many jobs pay $250/hr; I recently did a Marriott virtual presentation for 50k Bonvoy pts also out in a hr. They offered to convert my resale Sheraton for $10k, passed on it.

 

[Tucsonadventurer]

We just booked a studio at Westin for 640 points in interval. It used to be 450 but for 200 points more I am still getting a week in Kaanapali. My 1 bedroom at Hyatt Kaanapali is 1450 pts, no studios there so it's still good value. We won't use it as often in Interval but as long as we can still get into Hyatt Maui we will keep them.