New CDC Guidelines for Restaurants and Bars

[Cornell]

Not sure what you are saying here. Are you criticizing the fact that the 48% positive rate does not equal 50%, or that the fact that 48% of the tests are positive does not mean 48% of the people are positive?

While the statement may not be technically accurate to a degree sufficient for the anal-retentive, presuming Iowa has a high rate of testing, the number is reasonably accurate, and obviously the point is even more important: that rate is ENORMOUS. Whether it be 1 in 2 or 1 in 3, lots of people likely have it (unless they are only testing the symptomatic, etc. )

For Gov Pritzker to state that 50% of Iowans have Covid is just completely irresponsible. I am not going to speak to other states (b/c I don't follow them) but here in Illinois, the "power that be" play fast & lose with the data and facts. This is why I don't listen to them anymore b/c they have zero credibility.

 

[Cornell]

Fauci says U.S. has 'independent spirit,' but now is the time to ‘do what you’re told’

Fauci is hoping that Americans will follow guidelines and stresses that simple public health measures can work.

www.cnbc.com

Fauci says U.S. has ‘independent spirit,’ but now is the time to ‘do what you’re told’

 

[Sandi Bo]

I don't have to read the papers or listen to the news. All I have to do is talk to my daughter, a hospitalist. It's really hard for doctor's to watch people die needlessly. Really, really, hard. But also, her finger is on the pulse. She's been spot on throughout this whole ordeal. Starting in March when she insisted I quit the gym and we didn't see our grandkids. She got more relaxed over the summer. We hung out outside a lot. We are now back to no visits with the grandkids. Her 'rules' come from how things are going at the hospital. This week they are converting an area to be covid comfort care (nice word for hospice), they had 2 covid teams a month ago, four 2 weeks ago, this week she thought they'd have 6 -- they have 7. Starting Monday, we are back to no elective surgeries. Terrified for a sick (non-covid) relative, seeing how this will effect her care. My heart is heavy.

 

[davidvel]

For Gov Pritzker to state that 50% of Iowans have Covid is just completely irresponsible. I am not going to speak to other states (b/c I don't follow them) but here in Illinois, the "power that be" play fast & lose with the data and facts. This is why I don't listen to them anymore b/c they have zero credibility.

I wholeheartedly agree that partisan politicians should not be looked to for unbiased scientific information. I can read the data for myself, and don't have any reelection ideals or party platform to follow.

 

[WVBaker]

"But if the majority of Americans started following the guidelines, Fauci expressed confidence that we will not need to shut down the country."

Shut down the country? Think long and hard of the massive, devastating results of that. Have you even considered what percentage of the population that would impact?

 

[Cornell]

I wholeheartedly agree that partisan politicians should not be looked to for unbiased scientific information. I can read the data for myself, and don't have any reelection ideals or party platform to follow.

But here's the problem. If my governor is making decisions that affect my (and my family's lives) based on his faulty conclusions, then I have a big issue with it. I looked at the Iowa data and don't see how he can square this circle.

Additionally, when he says stuff like this , a lot of people believe it and it emboldens him to proceed with more of his policies.

 

[cman]

"But if the majority of Americans started following the guidelines, Fauci expressed confidence that we will not need to shut down the country."

Shut down the country? Think long and hard of the massive, devastating results of that. Have you even considered what percentage of the population that would impact?

Here's his quote in context;

"But if the majority of Americans started following the guidelines, Fauci expressed confidence that we will not need to shut down the country. Instead, he explained, the virus could be brought under control if people wore masks, socially distanced, and washed their hands."

Masks, social distancing and handwashing are recommended by every public health agency on planet earth.

 

[bluehende]

I hear a lot of complaints about what other people say to do. What do you propose to do instead? Easy to complain without having to supply an answer or path forward. Just be aware that the models that have predicted this fall surge say we will have 200,000 additional deaths by March 1 and if we ease restrictions 350,000. And before we hear how bad they have done please look at the actual predictions and outcomes. They have been very accurate.

 

[TravelTime]

I was at a safari yesterday, which is like a zoo. I was thinking about Covid while I was there because the guide said the animals live twice as long in the zoo. I was wondering whether people would prefer to be a zoo animal or a wild animal.

 

[TravelTime]

People are wearing masks (some reports say up to 80% to 90% of people wear masks), social distancing and washing hands. It is not working. We need a vaccine and effective treatments. Avoidance/blocking strategies will only go so far. I read yesterday that the mortality rate is now under 1% due to better treatments, which is great news. Also, better self care to reduce risk factors such as obesity, high blood pressure, etc. and improve one’s immune system would be a huge help since healthy people are less likely to get sick and die.

 

[WVBaker]

Here's his quote in context;

"But if the majority of Americans started following the guidelines, Fauci expressed confidence that we will not need to shut down the country. Instead, he explained, the virus could be brought under control if people wore masks, socially distanced, and washed their hands."

Masks, social distancing and handwashing are recommended by every public health agency on planet earth.

If, by any stretch of the imagination, you believe that will ever happen, simply read or watch the news. I for one, never see that happening. As Fauci said, this nation was built by those with an "independent spirit". Keep in mind, recommendations are simply that and will always be. And with that in mind, you cannot shut down an entire country.

 

[TravelTime]

For Gov Pritzker to state that 50% of Iowans have Covid is just completely irresponsible. I am not going to speak to other states (b/c I don't follow them) but here in Illinois, the "power that be" play fast & lose with the data and facts. This is why I don't listen to them anymore b/c they have zero credibility.

It is perplexing to me why he would exaggerate the Covid problem. Many people complain that others are minimizing Covid. However, many people are also catastrophizing.

 

[Cornell]

It is perplexing to me why he would exaggerate the Covid problem. Many people complain that others are minimizing Covid. However, many people are also catastrophizing.

Not perplexing at all. It advances an agenda.

 

[Cornell]

People are wearing masks (some reports say up to 80% to 90% of people wear masks), social distancing and washing hands. It is not working. We need a vaccine and effective treatments. Avoidance/blocking strategies will only go so far. I read yesterday that the mortality rate is now under 1% due to better treatments, which is great news. Also, better self care to reduce risk factors such as obesity, high blood pressure, etc. and improve one’s immune system would be a huge help since healthy people are less likely to get sick and die.

YUP - note the mortality rates here in IL.

 

[TravelTime]

Not perplexing at all. It advances an agenda.

I do not understand what the agenda is. To me, if 48% of Iowans have Covid, that reflects poorly on its leadership and the people of Iowa.

 

[WinniWoman]

I want the vaccine please!

A vaccine with a 90% efficacy for a virus with a 99% survival rate. No thanks.

 

[Cornell]

A vaccine with a 90% efficacy for a virus with a 99% survival rate. No thanks.

Be glad that you are in a phase of your life and that you live in a home that will allow you to avoid it.

I suspect that if you work in healthcare an employer might require it. Or a public school. Or if you live in a senior care facility. Or if you want to go to a concert. Many people will not be able to "opt out" depending on their circumstances.

How Ticketmaster Plans to Check Your Vaccine Status for Concerts: Exclusive

Ticketmaster has been working on a framework for post-pandemic fan safety that uses smart phones to verify fans' vaccination status or COVID-19 test results.

www.billboard.com

 

[bluehende]

YUP - note the mortality rates here in IL.
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No one over 69 in Illinois?

 

[Cornell]

I do not understand what the agenda is. To me, if 48% of Iowans have Covid, that reflects poorly on its leadership and the people of Iowa.

Not going to get into it on TUG b/c of the "rules".

 

[Cornell]

No one over 69 in Illinois?

Is that better?

 

[TravelTime]

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It seems that people are now measuring Covid’s severity based on cases and not deaths. In the beginning, we were told this was such a deadly disease compared to the flu. With the improvements in treatment and decline in mortality, I am a lot less worried about getting Covid. I am more worried for the elderly and the unhealthy people with risk factors. They are still at greatest risk of getting a severe illness and dying. Those folks really need to be careful who they come in contact with and do whatever they can to stay safe.

 

[bluehende]

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Interesting you complain about a politician using numbers to further a narrative and then you edit data to do the same thing.

Another point the last three months data will not include a lot of deaths due to that diagnosis. Along with the largest traunch of those cases having occurred in a time frame where death will but has not yet occurred.

 

[Cornell]

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Interesting you complain about a politician using numbers to further a narrative and then you edit data to do the same thing.

Another point the last three months data will not include a lot of deaths due to that diagnosis. Along with the largest traunch of those cases having occurred in a time frame where death will but has not yet occurred.

Oh come on. I didn't edit the data. I didn't do a complete screen grab -- GOD FORBID!!!!!!

I'm not even going to comment on the last 3 months of data comment b/c IDPH is doing so many shady things with their data reporting that I take it all with a grain of salt these days.

 

[Cornell]

It seems that people are now measuring Covid’s severity based on cases and not deaths. In the beginning, we were told this was such a deadly disease compared to the flu. With the improvements in treatment and decline in mortality, I am a lot less worried about getting Covid. I am more worried for the elderly and the unhealthy people with risk factors. They are still at greatest risk of getting a severe illness and dying. Those folks really need to be careful who they come in contact with and do whatever they can to stay safe.

100%. We are doing everything as a family to protect my 87 YO mother.

 

[TravelTime]

Oh come on. I didn't edit the data. I didn't do a complete screen grab -- GOD FORBID!!!!!!

I'm not even going to comment on the last 3 months of data comment b/c IDPH is doing so many shady things with their data reporting that I take it all with a grain of salt these days.

I knew you had not done a complete screen shot because when I clicked on it, I could see that some lines were not captured. It is irrelevant anyway because the headline summarizes the data.