Navy to Evacuate USS Theodore Roosevelt Amid Coronavirus Pandemic

[davidvel]

This captain will be remembered as an unsung hero by his officers and his crew.

. He did not follow the chain of command. Thus, he was released from his command. His career is over in the US Navy.

I feel his true concerns were for the ship, the officers and the crew on his ship.

The mission and the objectives of the FDRoosevlt aircraft carrier could not be carry out with a sick coronavirus crew. IMHO

My opinion is based upon the climate of our current military leaders.

FYI, the ship is the TR, not FDR.

 

[T-Dot-Traveller]

'Lack of leadership ': Esper's pandemic response draws fire as crisis deepens.

'Lack of leadership': Esper's pandemic response draws fire as crisis deepens

Lawmakers, retired officers and experts say the defense secretary was slow to act, far too willing to leave the tough choices to local commanders.

www.politico.com

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Richard

Any fisherman or sailor knows - dead fish rot from the head .

 

[MULTIZ321]

Theodore Roosevelt's great-grandson calls fired Navy Capt. Crozier 'a hero ' in op-ed.

Theodore Roosevelt's great-grandson calls fired Navy Capt. Crozier 'a hero' in op-ed

Tweed Roosevelt, in a New York Times op-ed, said his great-grandfather would have done the same thing as Crozier.

www.usatoday.com

Richard

 

[Talent312]

Perhaps they should also discipline the crew for applauding the captain
... a clear case of disrespect for the chain of command.

Alternatively, do what they did in China for the doc who raised the alarm:
Award everyone (captain + crew) a medal, a Silver Star, perhaps?
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[MULTIZ321]

155 sailors on USS Theodore Roosevelt test positive for coronavirus, 42 percent of all
Navy infections.

155 sailors on USS Theodore Roosevelt test positive for coronavirus, 42 percent of all Navy infections

At least 155 sailors on the USS Theodore Roosevelt have tested positive for COVID-19, according to the Navy’s latest update.

www.foxnews.com

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Richard

 

[MULTIZ321]

This is what was so unusual about the U.S. Navy making Captain Brett Crozier step down.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2020/04/05/this-is-what-was-so-unusual-about-us-navy-making-captain-brett-crozier-step-down/

Richard

 

[MULTIZ321]

Janison: Coronavirus on Navy ship Makes waves in D.C.

Janison: Coronavirus on Navy ship makes waves in D.C.

Only a few months ago, President Donald Trump used his power to intervene on behalf of U.S. Navy Seal Eddie Gallagher, who'd been convicted of posing with the corpse of a teenage Islamic State captive

www.newsday.com

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Richard

 

[MULTIZ321]

Navy Capt. Brett Crozier tests positive for coronavirus.

Navy Capt. Brett Crozier tests positive for coronavirus after being relieved of duty

He'd lost command of the ship over his pleas for more resources and space offshore.

www.axios.com

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Richard

 

[chapjim]

Was inevitable. One cannot go public the way he did and expect to keep his job. But, in my opinion it was a class act on his part to fall on his sword for his troops!

I don't see how a major error in judgment and breach of protocol can be called a class act. It was pretty dumb.

 

[chapjim]

Theodore Roosevelt's great-grandson calls fired Navy Capt. Crozier 'a hero ' in op-ed.

Theodore Roosevelt's great-grandson calls fired Navy Capt. Crozier 'a hero' in op-ed

Tweed Roosevelt, in a New York Times op-ed, said his great-grandfather would have done the same thing as Crozier.

www.usatoday.com

Richard

Does Tweed Roosevelt have any time at sea? What? Oh, he's a university professor! Lives in Boston and Martha's Vineyard.

So, why should anyone pay any attention to what he has to say about the United States Navy?

 

[Rolltydr]

I don't see how a major error in judgment and breach of protocol can be called a class act. It was pretty dumb.

He was trying to get help for his crew and it worked. It was brave and heroic! He will be remembered. The guy that fired him will not.


Harry

 

[chapjim]

He was trying to get help for his crew and it worked. It was brave and heroic! He will be remembered. The guy that fired him will not.


Harry

Commanding Officers of nuclear powered aircraft carriers are listened to in OPNAV. I think it is presumptuous to think a communication from CAPT Crozier would have been ignored and that the only way of helping the crew is to fire off a letter up the chain and send copies to the San Francisco Chronicle and Washington Post, getting his @$$ fired in the process. (I'm presuming those were some of the addressees outside of his chain of command. We know the Chronicle got a copy, perhaps not directly from CAPT Crozier.)

Another thing I haven't seen mentioned. If the crew's readiness was degraded, so would be the ship's readiness. That sounds like classified information, not something to provide to the press.

 

[Rolltydr]

Commanding Officers of nuclear powered aircraft carriers are listened to in OPNAV. I think it is presumptuous to think a communication from CAPT Crozier would have been ignored and that the only way of helping the crew is to fire off a letter up the chain and send copies to the San Francisco Chronicle and Washington Post, getting his @$$ fired in the process. (I'm presuming those were some of the addressees outside of his chain of command. We know the Chronicle got a copy, perhaps not directly from CAPT Crozier.)

Another thing I haven't seen mentioned. If the crew's readiness was degraded, so would be the ship's readiness. That sounds like classified information, not something to provide to the press.

He sacrificed himself for his crew. I think that’s admirable. And from the reaction of his crew, so do they. It’s nice to know we still have some leaders who care more about others then they do for themselves.


Harry

 

[davidvel]

He sacrificed himself for his crew. I think that’s admirable. And from the reaction of his crew, so do they. It’s nice to know we still have some leaders who care more about others then they do for themselves.


Harry

The ironic part was that as they were cheering their CO for sending his memo (about the risks of COVID19 on the ship and need to ISOLATE his crew) to 20-30 persons outside the chain of command, they were all failing to maintain social distancing, and within inches of each other.

Reminded me of the videos of people clamoring to get into stores to get satization supplies and TP, all hoarded in a giant group fighting over each other with face masks on. Classic.

 

[Bucky]

“I don't see how a major error in judgment and breach of protocol can be called a class act. It was pretty dumb.”

Edited. Just not worth my time Trying to explain how wrong this statement is!

 

[chapjim]

He sacrificed himself for his crew. I think that’s admirable. And from the reaction of his crew, so do they. It’s nice to know we still have some leaders who care more about others then they do for themselves.

Harry

If CAPT Crozier had sent multiple requests for assistance with no response, then his act might be called a sacrifice.

As it is, we haven't heard anything about prior requests. Maybe we will and if we do, I will join you in praising his self-sacrifice. Until then, he is no hero.

 

[Brett]

He was trying to get help for his crew and it worked. It was brave and heroic! He will be remembered. The guy that fired him will not.


Harry

most likely

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/03/us/politics/coronavirus-brett-crozier-theodore-roosevelt.html

"a Navy official familiar with the situation but not authorized to speak publicly about it said that the captain had repeatedly asked his superiors for speedy action to evacuate the ship. His letter, the official said, came because the Navy was still minimizing the risk."

"the removal of Captain Crozier will likely have a chilling effect on the willingness of commanders to bring bad news to their superiors."

 

[chapjim]

The ironic part was that as they were cheering their CO for sending his memo (about the risks of COVID19 on the ship and need to ISOLATE his crew) to 20-30 persons outside the chain of command, they were all failing to maintain social distancing, and within inches of each other.

Reminded me of the videos of people clamoring to get into stores to get satization supplies and TP, all hoarded in a giant group fighting over each other with face masks on. Classic.

The fact is, social distancing is impossible on a US Navy ship. In enlisted berthing compartments, a rack above can be as little as 18" above or below yours.

 

[chapjim]

most likely

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/03/us/politics/coronavirus-brett-crozier-theodore-roosevelt.html

"a Navy official familiar with the situation but not authorized to speak publicly about it said that the captain had repeatedly asked his superiors for speedy action to evacuate the ship. His letter, the official said, came because the Navy was still minimizing the risk."
effect on the willingness of commanders to bring bad news to their superiors."

If true, this totally changes my thinking on this matter. Shame on Navy leadership and Bravo Zulu to CAPT Crozier.

Thanks for posting.

 

[WVBaker]

most likely

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/03/us/politics/coronavirus-brett-crozier-theodore-roosevelt.html

"a Navy official familiar with the situation but not authorized to speak publicly about it said that the captain had repeatedly asked his superiors for speedy action to evacuate the ship. His letter, the official said, came because the Navy was still minimizing the risk."

"the removal of Captain Crozier will likely have a chilling effect on the willingness of commanders to bring bad news to their superiors."

True or not, we'll never know. I always question a reporter's unidentified source as being, "familiar with the situation but not authorized to speak publicly about it".

This alleged, "Navy official", in the reporter's mind, can say whatever the reporter wished him/her to say.

 

[CanuckTravlr]

Does Tweed Roosevelt have any time at sea? What? Oh, he's a university professor! Lives in Boston and Martha's Vineyard.

So, why should anyone pay any attention to what he has to say about the United States Navy?

My father was an air force officer, and I grew up on air bases, so I do understand chain-of-command. However, the last time I checked the United States Navy, and the rest of the US military, are there to serve the people. Since when does not having specific military service abrogate the right of any American citizen to being entitled to the freedom of speech right to make commentary? From your comments I assume you are, or were, a member of the armed services. If so, I thank you for your service, but based on your criteria, I would have to expect you in future to have no comments or opinions on any topic in which you have no direct experience. Quite frankly, that would be absurd, but that appears to be what you are suggesting.

In an administration where there has been some previous interference in the chain-of-command, in the opposite direction, because it didn't suit their "messaging" of the day, I am going to give CAPT Crozier the benefit of the doubt until the formal inquiry is over. Quite frankly, IMO the abrupt removal of an experienced CO in the midst of a major issue on his ship shows poor leadership on the part of the Navy. Blind obedience to chain-of-command "no matter what" is what led to the Nuremberg trials, the resulting principles of which the US was a strong proponent.

 

[bluehende]

True or not, we'll never know. I always question a reporter's unidentified source as being, "familiar with the situation but not authorized to speak publicly about it".

This alleged, "Navy official", in the reporter's mind, can say whatever the reporter wished him/her to say.

While not perfect journalists in general and the NY times specifically have a vetting process for unidentified sources. They would never report about an unidentified source without some form of vetting.

How The Times Uses Anonymous Sources (Published 2018)

The Times’s standards editor explains why we sometimes allow sources to go unnamed.

www.nytimes.com

 

[WVBaker]

While not perfect journalists in general and the NY times specifically have a vetting process for unidentified sources. They would never report about an unidentified source without some form of vetting.

How The Times Uses Anonymous Sources (Published 2018)

The Times’s standards editor explains why we sometimes allow sources to go unnamed.

www.nytimes.com

Regardless of "vetting process", still questioned on my part.

 

[bluehende]

Regardless of "vetting process", still questioned on my part.

I prefer a vetting process with multiple people involved as opposed to I disagree with what is reported.

 

[pedro47]

FYI, the ship is the TR, not FDR.

Thanks for the corrections in name.. Always is well, wishing everyone smooth sailing.